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BorntoDesire
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From: Berlin, Germany
Registered: Dec 2013

posted June 25, 2015 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BorntoDesire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Linda´s,
recently I had a very short ( 2 month) but intense and traumatic encounter with a man and as I studied our charts, transits, progressions…..the scales fell from my eyes! I want to share it for those, who study astrology and are interested in fated encounters and for me to come to terms with this story:

When we met we immediately recognized each other ( NN on my DC) we joked in a very familiar way ( Jupiter rising in Composit) and all of a sudden he laid his head on my shoulder in the presence of his mother ( who is my Astrology teacher ) as if we knew each other since ever, though we knew each other for a view minutes, but it felt so right and natural ( soulmate fated).

Synastry Chart/ female inside:

Composite Chart:

The transits from the first meeting Chart to the Composite (to a minute) are retrospectively very meaningful:

transit Venus conj Node (0)
transit NN conj DC (0)
transit NN square Satrun/IC (0)
transit DC conj Vx (0)
transit VX conj Mars – Pluto opposition (1)
transit Uranus -AC opposition was on the Vx and Pluto conjunction (1)
transit Deja opposite Nessus (3)
transit Nessus conj Eros, square NN and Venus conjunction (1)
transiting Pluto - Mars conjunction was on the Composite MC opposing Saturn, squaring the Vertex axis and the Mars Pluto opposition ( heavy!)

Tranists from the first meeting Chart to my Chart:

I myself had my Nodal return, transiting Jupiter conjunct Saturn ( Saturn is my DC ruler), so I knew someone special would come into my life…I had no idea how this would turn out…
transit Venus conjunct Vx (0) !
transit AC Axis conjunct my NN and making a T-Square to Pluto/ Mars on DC (very bad)
transit Deja opposite my Mars
transit IC conjunct my Nessus
transit Nessus square Vx (1)
in his chart Venus squared Vertex and the transiting Sun / Saturn /Venus in Scorpio conjunction was on his MC (0)….


THIS WAS INDEED A RELATIONSHIP MEANT TO BE, but I only focused on the positives signs and dismissed the signs from “hell”.

We rarely had contact for a view month, and I did not thought about him a lot and if, only as a new funny “friend”, I felt attraction but also repulsion.
Then we met each other ( as it turned out he initiated it) and it was

exactly Aries new Moon ( to a minute!) conjunct our Composite Chiron (1)
transit Mars conj Composite Venus (1)
transit Venus conj Composite Sun (0)

– a very sensitive and sexual moment – so he kissed me out of the blue very passionately and I was so overwhelmed (…I mean with all this Pisces in his chart this was unexpected…) and I fell for him within a second! We spend one hour together…and never saw each other again.

BUT, we texted a lot ( his Saturn and my are Mars in Gemini…) in a funny casual way, I wanted to see him again and wanted more but he blocked it with jokes and first it felt like a funny Gemini game although my Pisces moon told me he does not want me “walk away” but I could not stop it and started to PLAY Pluto GAMES , so did he...

Obsession form my side set in (transiting Pluto was exactly on my DC and on his Mars, my progressed Sun conjuncts Pluto), I knew that this is dangerous and tried to avoid it, but it happened.
We fell into a leak of misunderstandings and later into verbal violence. We fought a verbal Mars square Pluto war, he misrepresented everything I said, turned everything against me….I tried to save the situation over and over again but he fully destroyed me, told me I was a maniac liar … although HE has all the transits from HELL, and I am not sure if he survives this with mental stability ( NN Pluto conj DW; Neptune on Sun, Saturn on Neptune all square each other, Uranus on pr sun, Pluto on his mars…)
In the final showdown, one night full of texting without any sleep ( I tried to call him but he never wanted to talk to me)
IT WAS THE MOMENT OF MY EXACT VENUS RETURN: when his exact NAME ASTEROID – the Asteroid KARMA –and the SOUTH NODE CONJUNCTION are part of my VR chart ( can a constellation be more meaningful? It was the worst day I ever had…and my VR just began 2 weeks ago, still 13 month left, great…)
Also in his chart the transiting Nessus - Deja conjunction was on his natal Venus and Vx (0) conj his Nessus.
transiting Mars conj HIS SATURN, MY SUN/MOON and my Lilith in GEMINI ( the verbal war with bitter words)

It is over.

I am not sure who was the abuser and who the victim, not sure whether he feels anything else but hate and repulsion for me??
But I know that this episode still transforms me on a deep, deep level. I never felt such a deep obsession and I do not know whether I feel LOVE or just obsession and pain. I am married (since 20 years) and yet I would do ANYTHING to be together with this man from hell, although I know we would kill each other. But he is not reachable for me anyway he broke the contact.
He has a new girlfriend now, I distanced myself from my husband, who was the major reason why he rejected me , at least that was the reason he finally told me. How bitter sweet life can be.

The DRACO Synastry shows also very abusive, nebulous constellations:
Chiron conj DC DW !
Mars conj Pluto DW !
Neptune conj Sun DW !
Saturn conj MC DW !
his Nessus on my Moon

Karmic signs in our Synastry ( we have it ALL)

Sun square Neptune (DW) (misunderstandings)
my Neptune opposite his Saturn (0) (he calls me insane)
his NN and Mars conjunct my DC
his NN square NN (0)
his NN square my Pluto
Vx square VX (0)
his Karma asteroid and Arabic part of Karma conj my DC (1)
his Saturn also conj my sun moon midpoint (0)
his Saturn PRIAPUS conjunction is exactly on my BML, which is also my sun/moon ( Saturn rejection and limitation)

Nessus opposite Deja DW! ( Orb 0 and 4) ( who is the abuser?)

his Saturn squares my MC axis and my MERCURY.
his Union and Chiron conjunct my South Node
my Mars squares his Mercury ( squares from Saturn and Mars to Mercury are the WORST constellations for people with strong mercury influence)
his Nessus conj my Valentine

BUT there are of course goods things as well:
Venus trine Jupiter
Jupiter opposite Venus
my Union conj his Venus
my Child conj his Moon
my Moon conj his Amor
my name asteroid conj his Juno
his Eros conj my Chiron
his Eros conj my Aphrodite
my Innanen sextiles his Adonis and we have ALL the mythology pairings: Eros/ Psyche, Hera/Zeus, Persephone/Pluto, Prosperine/Pluto
his Pluto sextile my Venus
My Sun, Venus, Saturn are in his 7 th house, his moon is my 7th house, my mars is in his 5th, my mars also squares his 5th and 8th house ruler BUT it is MERCURY, my Venus trines his 5th, 8th ruler!!!
Mars trine Venus
His Sun and Venus and my Moon in Pisces…and so on
Also we have all the MAGI good linkages:
from Chiron/ Venus ( ultimate Cinderella linkage) Chiron / Neptune, Venus contraparallel Neptune ( ultimate romance link) Jupiter/ Venus multidimensional = the magical Cinderella forgiveness Link, long-term bond link, long-term sexual bond Link and all the other wonderful links you can imagine Only view clashes but one of them CHIRON OPPOSITE PLUTO, Pluto square Mars (DW)
I just want to underline, that all this wonderful soulmate and love signs can just be there to draw two people together to fulfil their lesson and there is NO guarantee, that things work out, just bc the signs are there when it is meant to be just a lesson. Astrology helps me to understand it and get over it.
I appreciate your comments.

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Aubyanne
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posted June 25, 2015 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HAH!

CHIRON conjunct EROS (1º)

Bingo.

Sorry, BTD. Those don't often end well. :: hugs ::

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BorntoDesire
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From: Berlin, Germany
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posted June 26, 2015 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BorntoDesire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A, thank you. You think it is all up to Chiron / Eros? I have not found any info on this constellation, you have expiereince with this I would appreciate your comment on it.
Is nt the Chrion part usually the one who hurts the other one? In this case I am the one with the pain. But his Chiron + Union opp my NN + Pluto, dealbreaker?
Usually if someone conj my Chiron with something (planet or asteroid) there is a stable bond.
But we have CHion conj DC / AC in Davison and Composite, so Chrion is for sure a big player here.

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astra7
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posted June 27, 2015 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh pluto game.... don't want to get too close but you can't go either arrrgh!

On top of what Aubyanne said, could it be due to Mars sq Pluto DW :O

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BorntoDesire
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posted June 29, 2015 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BorntoDesire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Pluto.

My 4th lesson since HE transits my DC and All of the persons who broke with me have CAPRICORN rising, all of them. Since it is the last exact hit, I hope that was it for the moment, yet he has to pass my 7th house. ( two of them women and they hate me, no matter how much I attempt)

I learn to deal with repulsion and obsession. Not easy with this Pisces Moon.

It is a bitter Capricorn lesson I have to learn here, as a cancer rising, but I thought I have learned so far and I was very cautious with this guy. I even told him that he MUST NOT touch me, never ever, not with this constellations.

Well, he did and I could not resist.

When Pluto comes to teach you there is no way out, he will destroy you, just to give new birth to you afterwards, you better go voluntarily!

My question now is, how can I transform this situation energetically into something good , praying, meditating, forgiving....?

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