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bubbles7
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posted July 09, 2015 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bubbles7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any advice is very appreciated, I've felt so love lost with this person for way too long. Mine is on outside.

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posted July 10, 2015 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jopekes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is similar to a relationship that I currently have with someone.

Uranus conjunct Saturn, there is a pent up tension but with a lot of positive transformation because of the amount of positivity in a Moon conjunct Jupiter in cancer, extremely positive!

These two aspects are very strong, so... this is an intense relationship

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posted July 12, 2015 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I see Pluto overlaying into the House 8...that's going to be really powerful.

Also--that same persons bringing tons of planetary action into the outer person's 5th House...

AND the inside person's Venus overlaying the 12th House...the outside person may not fully trust the inside person loves them...

Sun in H1 also makes the person on the outside fascinated with there person inside...

Check to see what Pluto aspects you have with this person...it looks like you have a Pluto-Moon aspect--that's going to cause some obsession and feeling of being "lost" in the other as you say...

Whoever is on the outside--is really feeling this one!

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posted July 12, 2015 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cultstatus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8th house pluto = INTENSITY x 100000
I had this double whammy with a guy, most intense relationship ever!

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Aubyanne
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posted July 12, 2015 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, PLUTO overlaying another's 8H is rather intense for the house individual -- or PLUTO, in your experience?

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bubbles7
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posted July 12, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bubbles7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the replies!

Each of our sun signs are in eachothers 1st house.

Does it mean anything that my moon is in the others 8th house?

Is this a mutual relationship??

Thanks again

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posted July 12, 2015 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't get that excited about this overlay. Pluto is the slowest planet and you're close in age. I'd say - look at this opposition to the Moon. But you have it too, with a wider orb. Even though you should me somewhat desensitized to it, this aspect is probably still potent because the Moon rules your 5th house and your Moon falls into his 8th. He puts his Moon into your 5th, on your Jupiter on top of that which resonates with your romantic profile and makes it hard not to be receptive to him emtionally (Jupiter is in exaltation, disposes your Venus and rules your MC). His Cancer MC in your secondary 5th house is another magnet. Your IC and DSC ruler is Mercury and he brings his Mercury right to your door, the ASC. Your Mercury is conjunct his ASC too, in your 7th. Also, it seems to be trine his Venus, the ASC ruler. His ASC resonates with your 8th house sign. Your 8th house ruler and the dispositor of your 4 personal planets Venus is quincunx his Moon, apparently it's enough. His Moon is attached to your t-square with angular rulers, it's a biggie. The water grand trine helps the feels flow easily, at least yours. Your planets in his 1st probably contribute your attraction.

Are you together/were together/might be together?

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posted July 13, 2015 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I wouldn't get that excited about this overlay. Pluto is the slowest planet and you're close in age. I'd say - look at this opposition to the Moon. But you have it too, with a wider orb. Even though you should me somewhat desensitized to it, this aspect is probably still potent because the Moon rules your 5th house and your Moon falls into his 8th. He puts his Moon into your 5th, on your Jupiter on top of that which resonates with your romantic profile and makes it hard not to be receptive to him emtionally (Jupiter is in exaltation, disposes your Venus and rules your MC). His Cancer MC in your secondary 5th house is another magnet. Your IC and DSC ruler is Mercury and he brings his Mercury right to your door, the ASC. Your Mercury is conjunct his ASC too, in your 7th. Also, it seems to be trine his Venus, the ASC ruler. His ASC resonates with your 8th house sign. Your 8th house ruler and the dispositor of your 4 personal planets Venus is quincunx his Moon, apparently it's enough. His Moon is attached to your t-square with angular rulers, it's a biggie. The water grand trine helps the feels flow easily, at least yours. Your planets in his 1st probably contribute your attraction.

Are you together/were together/might be together?


This. His Moon in your 5th house of romance is a major reason for your attraction to him, especially since it's conjunct a planet there. The 5th house is in charge of that chemistry and euphoria involved with falling in love. He probably has a vulnerability that really attracts you with his Moon in your 5th, and being that it's conjunct your Jupiter something about him makes you laugh.

Also it looks like you have Neptune conjunct Saturn square Mercury in your chart, which is interesting because Mercury is your 7th house ruler... He is a Pisces Sun/Mercury with 4 planets in Capricorn. I think Neptune/Saturn square your 7th house ruler is influencing your romantic taste here, attracting you to someone with that of personality type.

These factors all account for how he is your type.

From his side, there is some potential he could see you that way. I'm saying this hoping he's not already married or with someone (If he were I'd advise you to move on), or otherwise unavailable. His Dsc is Aries... Aries rules the 1st house, so in his case he could be attracted to either Aries (original 7th house) or Libra women (secondary 7th house). You match his 7th house profile in that your Libra planets fall into his 1st house which is his secondary 7th house. An Aries Dsc likes Aries energy or 1st house energy.

Your Moon in his 8th house adds to potential attraction too. And his 5th house rulers Uranus and Saturn aspect you Libra planets with a square. I'd say it's probable he could be attracted to you, but depending on his situation in life he may or may not ever act on that.

If he's unavailable though maybe it's time to move on. If he's free maybe you could probe the waters a bit, if that's what you still really want.

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posted July 13, 2015 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bubbles7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow thank you for all of the help on this.

I don't want a relationship with this person, but more like just a connection. I don't really like to engage in long term relationships in general. But my feelings are very strong...Also, something standing in the way is a bit of distance. Not that far, but enough to keep everything in dream state.

Most of all, I wish ultimately if I knew how mutual this was. I get so many signs of interest, but ultimately if it's not mutual, then I can and want to very quickly move on and forget about this. I care a lot about it being mutual, and it sort of sounds like (according to our synastry) I'm the one more interested in this. It's kind of turning me off of the whole thing.

Does any of this change if it's two women?

Edit: Idk if I'm just seeing the bad. But there's so many square and opposition. Mars sq mars, mercury sq moon, and my venus is unaspected. I'm just a beginner, but maybe I should just take this as a sign to forget about it. I don't want to get into more of a mess than I already am.
I find it so weird that if I'd been born 6 days later, this synastry would be completely different. This is the one aspect of astrology that bothers me and doesn't make sense.

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posted July 13, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis:

What's your take on a man's MOON in a woman's 8H? How does that overlay tend to play out in your experience? I often see much remarking on the MOON's experience of the other's 8H; it's only the 8H's vantage.

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posted July 14, 2015 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Lotis:

What's your take on a man's MOON in a woman's 8H? How does that overlay tend to play out in your experience? I often see much remarking on the MOON's experience of the other's 8H; it's only the 8H's vantage.


Hi Aubyanne,

The Moon person's style of nurturing, their innate spontaneous vulnerability, and security needs will tug on the 8th house person's sense of intimacy. The Moon's inner world fascinates the 8th house person, and they are often very intrigued with what's really going on beneath the surface for the Moon person: What are they really feeling? and what do they really what? The 8th house is where we lift our barriers, and allow ourselves to be vulnerable, so that we can experience a deeper connection. The 8th house is where we give ourselves permission to reveal the deepest parts of our hearts to others. It often takes a lot of reassurance before we're ready to 'go there'. The Moon's natural way of expressing inner feelings satisfies the 8th house person's needs for reassurance. The Moon is able to make the 8th house person feel safer opening and establishing a more profound bond. The 8th house person becomes more willing to take the risk of revealing their intimacy needs to the Moon person. The 8th house person feels their bond with the Moon person is personal and private, and they may guard it fiercely. The 8th house person may also be quite possessive and protective of the Moon but not necessarily in an unhealthy way.

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posted July 14, 2015 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Aubyanne,

The Moon person's style of nurturing, their innate spontaneous vulnerability, and security needs will tug on the 8th house person's sense of intimacy. The Moon's inner world fascinates the 8th house person, and they are often very intrigued with what's really going on beneath the surface for the Moon person: What are they really feeling? and what do they really what? The 8th house is where we lift our barriers, and allow ourselves to be vulnerable, so that we can experience a deeper connection. The 8th house is where we give ourselves permission to reveal the deepest parts of our hearts to others. It often takes a lot of reassurance before we're ready to 'go there'. The Moon's natural way of expressing inner feelings satisfies the 8th house person's needs for reassurance. The Moon is able to make the 8th house person feel safer opening and establishing a more profound bond. The 8th house person becomes more willing to take the risk of revealing their intimacy needs to the Moon person. The 8th house person feels their bond with the Moon person is personal and private, and they may guard it fiercely. The 8th house person may also be quite possessive and protective of the Moon but not necessarily in an unhealthy way.


Thanks, Lotis.

I'd have to say, that's a spot-on take on the 8H's perspective of the MOON, definitely. Perhaps I should've said it appears general consensus that it's the house which is more affected in these terms than the planet.

I'm interested in how the 8H overlay might affect the MOON in terms of vulnerability, or the means to experience it? It seems we rarely get the MOON's vantage; when I hear others' experiences, however, the MOON individual seems quite affected, experiencing much of the same that the 8H is thought or said to.

If it helps to be more specific, my MOON is in his 12H. They're in quincunx to each other by 1°30.

I am definitely fascinated by his potential for vulnerability, and how I might affect it, or him. He's quite impossible to read in that regard, however, and self-proclaimed has never truly lost control. So I'm often wondering: what's the MOON feeling or experiencing when it's in another's 8H?

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posted July 14, 2015 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Thanks, Lotis.

I'd have to say, that's a spot-on take on the 8H's perspective of the MOON, definitely. Perhaps I should've said it appears general consensus that it's the house which is more affected in these terms than the planet.

I'm interested in how the 8H overlay might affect the MOON in terms of vulnerability, or the means to experience it? It seems we rarely get the MOON's vantage; when I hear others' experiences, however, the MOON individual seems quite affected, experiencing much of the same that the 8H is thought or said to.

If it helps to be more specific, my MOON is in his 12H. They're in quincunx to each other by 1°30.

I am definitely fascinated by his potential for vulnerability, and how I might affect it, or him. He's quite impossible to read in that regard, however, and self-proclaimed has never truly lost control. So I'm often wondering: what's the MOON feeling or experiencing when it's in another's 8H?


From my observation I’d have to say that the house person feels it more most of the time in overlays. The planet person may sense what they’re activating in the other person but the house person’s response to the planet person is usually more in tune with the house being overlayed (because it is their natal house after all). Often the planet person is attracted to the house person’s reaction to them. I think this is what would happen in the 8th house/Moon situation. The Moon's natural behavior is reassuring to the 8th house person, which opens the 8th house person up. So the 8th house person’s trust inspires the Moon person to reveal more of their own inner self and vulnerability in turn. The intimacy just builds and builds on itself.

Then there’s aspects to consider.

Auby did you read the thread about quincunxes? Basically the quincunx in an aspect of mis-matched styles, confusion, renegotiation/investigation, and the improvement and deeper understanding that results from determinedly trying to figure out an emotional alien. Moons that quincunx each other find each other puzzling, and have to spend the time digging at each other to really get where the other is coming form. A Moon quincunxing yours from your 8th house would be able to sense that he activates your need for trust and intimacy, which may attract him or give him a ‘boost’. And he also would sense that in order to get to that deeper place with you there’d have to be effort and compromise put into the relationship, so that you’d be able to navigate around each other’s different emotional styles. With quincunxes, there’d occasionally by mixed messages and misunderstandings between you so you’d need to be very clear with communication. Other aspects in synastry to the quincunxing Moons can really help with this. Quincunxes can also bring fascination, curiosity, and a driving need to ‘work’ on something with the other person, to a connection. The Moon person might feel an urge to get the 8th house person to be more comfortable expressing their 8th house security and trust needs, since the sign on the 8th house is quincunx the 8th house person’s own Moon (with a Moon/Moon quincunx). The Moon may try to help the 8th house person out, or even challenge the 8th house person, with regard to certain ‘comfort zone’, trust, and intimacy issues. This may or may not be a successful effort depending on the rest of the synastry. The Moon person could sometimes make the 8th house person a little uncomfortable when it comes to pushing limits, even when it could lead to growth.

About your Moon in his 12th house, the 12th house can be a bit of a blind spot for us at times. The stuff that you’re feeling might be a surprise to him once he finds out what it is. And when he thinks back on it he may wonder how he missed all of that. Yet at other times there’s a strong intuitive link between you two, and an instinctive knowing. The quincunx between Moons overlaying in watery houses denotes mis-matching emotional styles, contrasted with an oddly sensitive emotional bond. Even though you don’t always get why the other person does what they do, there tends to be real feelings involved. The relationship would be punctuated with occasional breakthroughs when the two people probe at each other for better understanding. The mystery of the other person is solved by wiggling around with them in different ways to accommodate each person’s unique differences. It’s workable if you want it to be, but it takes effort and willingness from both people. Your Moon in his 12th has a tendency to 'lift the veil' for him, and reveal certain realities to him, which before he might not have been aware of. This can be an awkward growing experience for him, and makes him more perceptive about what he's been missing beforehand.

Your Moon in his 12th helps him to work on his personal 'blind spot', and his Moon in your 8th house helps you to reexamine your intimacy and trust concerns. You learn things from each other by niggling away at each other bit by bit, seeking better understanding.

Hope this answers your question.

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posted July 14, 2015 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just did a big edit of my last post, so Aubyanne please reread if you have already done so.

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posted July 14, 2015 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deeply insightful, Lotis, thank you.

I'd have to say that's been my experience of his MOON in my 8H; it's often his reactions to my behaviour, or his interpretation of it, that drives his own. It's also been through me that, yes, much has been 'illuminated' that he never quite realised of himself or perceived before.

The funny part is that we're the opposite of emotional aliens; we understand one another's emotions (or lack thereof) and personality, due to their extreme similarity. Rather, we're more like each other than most people. It was through me that he finally found someone 'like' himself. There's a catch, though, as we're both asexual schizoids. He also came to understand that some of what makes up our emotional profile is unhealthy, damaged, traumatised, and in need of healing.

Regarding the specific experience of his MOON in my 8H, I'd have to say there's nothing more perfectly metaphorical of that then when we engage in intercourse together. Being a woman with primary vaginismus, sex has been a no-go for me for long stretches of my sexually active periods. Something on a deeply intuitive level did resonate with him (after years of close friendship and an affectionate relationship with romantic features) which finally allowed me to feel capable enough to attempt such a sexual relationship. It's more akin to BDSM to sex, honestly, as he uses his experience in this area to gently guide, and calmly, patiently, allow me to go through the necessary pain towards and through catharsis and release.

If that's not the perfect metaphor, then I don't know what is. His MOON is even 2° conjunct my PRIAPUS (with his BML on it at 0°).

Alas, because of my work as a sex therapist, I understand how this particular experience may not provide the proper means to delve into his own vulnerabilities -- an area that I know is essential for his own healing. Conversely, it allows him to take the role of the nurturing, instructive, in-control guide, more akin to a shaman than a man engaging in intercourse. This is lovely for me, and perfectly fits my needs ...

... But what about him?

In these instances, I can't help but ask, 'what about the MOON?'

Men, in sex, don't experience it the way a woman does, categorically. While they absolutely can enjoy it to the fullest, they do so differently; rather than feeling the invasive nature, they must relate to the experience in a manner that's separate but meaningful.

Perhaps that's why the MOON's experience is so similar to the man's in coitus. But, for the woman's, we'd have to take the 8H's perspective: vulnerable, seeking to express itself, to feel secure and trusting, so that it can experience -- and even enjoy -- the 'intrusion'.

As to why there might be something different going on despite the quincunx and the water house link?

We have an exact conjunction of MARS and PLUTO. Many would find this aspect challenging and even a bit frightening. For us, it has a unique impact -- being the dispositors of our MOONs. I guess you could say that our lunar profiles find a strange unity in the late degrees of Libra -- which is where my SUN happens to be, too.

Rather than an emotional alien, my very core identity resonates with the deepest layers of his MOON. The trick, indeed, is moving beyond the more superficial Aries traits, which can seem a bit impulsive to my Scorpio. But then his SUN is 8H -- so that's got to have some impact.

Thanks for your help, Lotis.

Sorry to derail your thread, OP! I got to delve into quite a lot, though. I hope you did, too.

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