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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 13, 2015 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are your quincunxes in your synastries and how do you experience those?

Do you have composite quincunxes? How do you think they play out?

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posted July 13, 2015 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You tell me!


Sorry it looks a little chaotic. If you want to know the degrees i can list them, too.

Of course those are mostly yods that involve asteroids/ calculated points. Still the presence of LIlith and Juno does intrigue me. lol

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posted July 13, 2015 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'll get back to this.
What do you think are the major ones here, per rapport to personal planets and rulers?

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posted July 13, 2015 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While the Pluto-Neptune-chiron looks like a very generational thing, I do think it might actually be one of the majors in the synarstry, because it is made angular by involving my ASC, and Pluto is pretty close to my MC, and it also involves his DESC-ruler and Mercury-ruler, so this one sure looks worthy to look into.


my Neptune-NN-ASC in 1st (3rd ruler)
sextile
my Pluto in 10th (11th and 12th ruler)
quinkunx
his Chiron

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my Neptune-NN in his 9th, my ASC in his 8th
my pluto in his 7th
his Chiron in my 5th

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I`d also consider the interconnected one as important, because it is interconnected. lol And because it sort of involves my IC.

So

his Chiron in his 1st/ my 5th
sextile
his Eros, my Ceres-Jupiter in his 12th / my 3rd, (my 1st ruler)
quinkunx
my Pluto in his 7th / my 10th (my 11th and 12th ruler)

plus his CERES near my IC, opposes my Pluto at 2 degrees, and both, my Pluto and his Ceres are configured with his Eros/Chiron-mp.

This is especailyl in teresting if we consider the mythological interconnection between Pluto-Ceres.
In fact his PROSERPINA is on 7 Aquariu sextile his CERES on 7 ARies, and is quinkunx his AMOR on 9 Virgo. Plus my own CERES and maybe even more so my PHOLUS on 6 Pisces, fall close to the midpoint of his natal Ceres/Proserpina, and of course my Pluto is trine his Proserpina (while his Pluto is sextile my Proserpina exact, with my Proserpina conjunct his DNA, and his Pluto conjunct my DNA - some myths just seem to come alive in a synastry, donīt they? ).


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posted July 13, 2015 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LeeLoo,

I just LOVE your interpretation of the Quincunx in the previous thread! Never read such and insightful interp before about this aspect. Ty!

In synastry, I have moon in Scorpio quincunx the man's Venus and mercury in Aries.moon in 5th house as well as venus/mercury conjunction in his own 5th.

I always worried about this aspect early on in the relationship, but he has been very thoughtful and caring towards me. There are times when I'm down in the dumps and he pulls me out of it by doing something nice for me or getting me out of the house to do something fun with him. Then there are times when I talk about something serious and he listens but is very quiet, or slow to show his feelings on the topic. So the opposition/trine energy makes sense to me.

In the composite, we have sun and Jupiter in Aries (7th house) Quincunx Uranus in the 2nd in Scorpio. We both get bored rather easily and need change in our lives to keep it interesting. I read somewhere that Uranus in the 2nd house composite could point to collecting odd or unusual possessions as a couple. We usually hit auctions or estate sales together and when we do, we value things that most people would think are gawdy or odd, but we usually buy them. Not entirely sure what the Quincunx with sun and Jupiter bring in the composite, but I think we both appreciate the unpredictability it has injected thus far.

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posted July 13, 2015 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However as I said the ones involving Juno-Lilith plus Moon-Saturn intrigue me as well. Because Moon-Saturn is a natural pair, though not an easygoing one, and Juno-Lilith seems to emphasize the contrast between wife and mistress-scenario (using those terms very lightly).

For him in a more light way, this is a theme anyway, with his Juno being opposite his Venus.
For me these two are quintile (1°09)

just noticed that and found it interesting. lol


Anyway, so for these particular Yods.

(1) his Moon-Sun in Sag in his 10th/ my 1st (his r5 and r6), my Sun-Mercury (my r9 and r7)

sextile

my Lilith in Aquarius in his 12th/ my 3rd (cusp)/

quinkunx

his Juno in Cancer in his 5th / my 8th

(2)

his Juno in Cancer in his 5th / my 8th

sextile

his Saturn/DESC in Virgo in his 7th/ my 9th (his r11)

quinkunx

my

Lilith in Aquarius in his 12th/ my 3d


LOL Do I even have to spell this one out?

Everytime he tries to honour his vow and stay committed (Saturn/DESC) to his wife (Juno), I sort of disturb the peace (my Lilith on the Apex). interestingly my true LIlith is also being there, and it is exactly opposed his own true LIlith on 28 Leo. So I am simply reflecting back some internal issue he apparently has about love, attraction and marriage/ committed relationship.

(3)

his LILITH in Virgo in 6th/ my 9th

sextile

my Saturn in Cancer in his 5th (cusp)/ my 8th (my r2)

quinkunx

my MOon in Aquarius in his 12th/ my 2nd (my r8)


(4)
my Moon in Aquariusu in his 12th/ my 2nd (my r8)

sextile

my Chiron in Aries in his 1st/ my 4th

quinkunx

his Lilith in Virgo in his 6th / my 9th


Well I might disturb his Juno-Saturn-sextile, he does so to my Moon-Chiron one. Lol

And this one I just find interesting


his Valentine, my Anteros in Scorpio in his 8th/ my 11th house

sextile

his Lilith in Virgo in his 6th/ my 9th

quinkunx

my Chiron in Aries in his 1st/ my 4th


Certainly not a major one, as it is not connected to any angle or luminary, but still intriguing.

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posted July 13, 2015 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If we focus on those Yods, that are being made by one person providing the quinkunx to the other`s natal sextile (so no shaky Yods ).

then that leaves us with:


my Neptune-NN-ASC, his Mercury in my 1st (r3), in his 8th/9th (r4 and r7)

sextile

my Pluto in my 10th (r11 and r12), in his 7th

quinkunx

his Chiron in my 5th, his 1st


his Chiron 9°35 Taurus
my Neptune/Pluto 9°31 Scorpio
my Node/Pluto 9°37 Scorpio

So his Chiron is on the direct midpoint of my Neptune/Pluto and my Node / Pluto with an orb of just 2 and 4 minutes.

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his Chiron in his 1st/ my 5th

sextile
his Eros, my Ceres-Jupiter in his 12th/ my 3rd( my r1)

quinkunx my Pluto in his 7th/ my 10th (my r11 and 12)

my Pluto 9°04 LIbra
his Eros/Chiron 8°58 Aries

so my pluto on his Eros/Chiron orb: 0°06


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my Sun-Mercury, his Moon-Sun in my 1st (my r9, r7) - his 10th (r5 and r6)

sextile

my Lilith in my 3rd/ his 12th

quinkunx

his Juno in my 8th / his 5th

his Juno 27°39 Cancer
my Sun/Lilith 26°57 Capricorn
orb: 0°42

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his Juno in his 5th / my 8th

sextile

his Saturn/DESC in his 7th (his r11), my 9th

quinkunx

my LIlith in his 12th( my 3rd

my Lilith: 27°57 Aquarius
his Saturn/Juno: 27°11 Leo
orb: 0°46
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my Moon in my 2nd (r8), his 12th

sextile

my Chiron in my 4th ( his 1st

quinkunx

his LIlith in my 9th / his 6th

his LIlith 19°18 Virgo
my Moon/Chiron 18°34 Pisces
orb: 0°44
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his Valentine, my Anteros in his 8th / my 11th

sextile

his LIlith in his 6th / my 9th

quinkunx

my Chiron in his 1st/ my 4th

my Chiron 20°02 Aries
his Valentine/Lilith 19°27 Libra
orb: 0°35
(within a degree of my natal DNA as well)

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posted July 13, 2015 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it greatly depends on the natal whether quincunxes are liked or not.

I have neptune quincunx my asc and widely my sun and my venus as well and i hate that.

I have noticed that people aspecting that configuration are prone to be judged as "irritating" by me.

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posted July 13, 2015 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The quincunx seems to be an aspect about weird, slightly uncomfortable feelings and the results of this can range from fascination to repulsion. Whether it ends up being fascination or repulsion I think depends a lot on what else is going on in the synastry, and how you resonate with the person in other ways. If the person is your 'type' symbolically as shown by your chart then it'll most likely be attraction, or at least liking. If the person is not your type then they may even totally repel you, because they have an strange vibe about them that makes you feel disconcerted. Unlike with attraction, where you feel compelled to take the extra effort to understand how to jibe with that person despite the fact that they sometimes seem to behave like an alien visitor from another planet. Actually you often get a kick out of this, and they make you laugh. When you think about it humor is really all about bizarre combinations.

There's something kind of 'off' about quincunxes, they can make us feel spaced out and confused, like we're not quite getting something but we want to figure it out, so we try all kinds of ways get to the bottom of things with the other person.

The quincunx has to do with adjustments, improvements, modifications, investigation, and strange undercurrents. Not quite 'getting' a certain aspect of the other person inspires us to work things out with them, or figure things out, so we know how to deal with them and where we stand with them. There's also something kind of embarrassing or awkward about a quincunx. Our feelings about the other person, whether it be extreme attraction, or intense dislike, are sort of embarrassing to admit to for some reason. We may be concerned about finding the appropriate way to express these feelings, or wonder if they should be expressed at all in some cases. I think quincunxes are harmless when mixed with lots of other kinds of synastry aspects, and they can even add a bit of interesting intrigue to a connection. Positive sides of the quincunx are curiosity about each other, and an endless drive to decipher the other person and improve things together. But too many quincunxs in synastry would mean you'd have to constantly over-explain yourself to clarify what you mean all the time (while the other person scratches their head), and that's just tiresome.

Quincunx couples often seem mismatched somehow. Instead of the cheerleader going out with the macho captain of the football team, it's like she decides to go for the dorky but intellectual captain of the science club instead. I think quincunxes between gender planets (Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars) can cause attraction, but it's often an odd, unexpected attraction as mentioned above.

Celeb couple Megan Fox and Brian Austen Green have her Mars quincunx his Venus. They have always seemed to come across as an odd match.

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posted July 13, 2015 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is important to understand that in my view, every aspect means a connection. Every aspect in orb. To me, it shows those things can work together. In this respect, all aspects are inherently positive. An aspect represents a "meeting of forces", a team. They symbolize the principle of acting in sync. This is the first thing to understand about my view on aspects.

The way the energy of the team represented by an aspect manifest depends on the nature of the aspect. But there aren't better or worse aspects. They are all what connects people.

Having this in mind, the presence of the quincunx shows the unlikely match is already matched. In other words, despite the fact that those people seem or would be expected to be an unlikely match, they actually are a match. The match comes from all the aspects in the synastry and the quincunx is only an aspect of that compatibility. But the presence of the aspect itself, in orb, means those people are compatible, when it comes to those planets. Their differences, as described from those different signs, are compatible, in this case.

The only problem with aspects is that we all have certain aspectary needs in our natal charts. We need people to fill this need with the aspects they bring. We don't mind extra aspects, but it is important to have our needs met first, and the extra aspects are added.

If I have a t/square in my chart to an important planet such as Venus or Moon, I may like people bringing a trine to that, at first. Perhaps the energy of the trine will feel familiar or easy, in some ways; or it may very well seem off from the beginning. Either I like it first or not, it will not do it for me. Only the one bringing hard aspects to my Venus is my match. Despite what people say that soft aspects are always favored.

That's the only problem with aspects, apart from them missing. Bringing unnecessary or contradictory aspects to one's natal chart is in fact, a form of missing aspects.

Bottom line, I don't think a quincunx is more "difficult" or more unpleasant than a trine, conjunction, sextile. It is just a different form of connecting, equally valid and positive. "Connection" is the key word here, for me.

I think "uncomfortable" applies to quincunx in the sense of something pushing you "out of your comfort zone", an energy in need of surprises.


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posted July 13, 2015 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
LeeLoo,

I just LOVE your interpretation of the Quincunx in the previous thread! Never read such and insightful interp before about this aspect. Ty!

In synastry, I have moon in Scorpio quincunx the man's Venus and mercury in Aries.moon in 5th house as well as venus/mercury conjunction in his own 5th.

I always worried about this aspect early on in the relationship, but he has been very thoughtful and caring towards me. There are times when I'm down in the dumps and he pulls me out of it by doing something nice for me or getting me out of the house to do something fun with him. Then there are times when I talk about something serious and he listens but is very quiet, or slow to show his feelings on the topic. So the opposition/trine energy makes sense to me.

In the composite, we have sun and Jupiter in Aries (7th house) Quincunx Uranus in the 2nd in Scorpio. We both get bored rather easily and need change in our lives to keep it interesting. I read somewhere that Uranus in the 2nd house composite could point to collecting odd or unusual possessions as a couple. We usually hit auctions or estate sales together and when we do, we value things that most people would think are gawdy or odd, but we usually buy them. Not entirely sure what the Quincunx with sun and Jupiter bring in the composite, but I think we both appreciate the unpredictability it has injected thus far.


This is such a lovely and emblematic example on how a quincunx works, in both cases, the synastry and that composite quincunx. Thank you for posting.

The quincunx, as shown in this example, is about the different energies of Aries and Scorpio teaming up. The only time when this happens perfectly, is with a quincunx or a biquintile (and maybe a sesquisquare?), the only possible aspects between these two signs.
What you describe is how I think it works. Those differences in this case, because of the aspect being in orb, are connective and supportive of your relationship.
The composite quincunx is giving you two the need for that "escape", it is just so lovely.

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posted July 13, 2015 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
I think it greatly depends on the natal whether quincunxes are liked or not.

I have neptune quincunx my asc and widely my sun and my venus as well and i hate that.

I have noticed that people aspecting that configuration are prone to be judged as "irritating" by me.


Hm why would you hate a quincunx from Neptune in Sagittarius to your Cancer stellium since it is most likely responsible for your psychic, creative and imaginative gifts? It would make you too much of a dreamer or fantasist only if the energy is not used in a practical way
It probably gives bursts of this kind of energy, in a cyclic manner, sometimes out of your control.

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posted July 13, 2015 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The quincunx seems to be an aspect about weird, slightly uncomfortable feelings and the results of this can range from fascination to repulsion. Whether it ends up being fascination or repulsion I think depends a lot on what else is going on in the synastry, and how you resonate with the person in other ways. If the person is your 'type' symbolically as shown by your chart then it'll most likely be attraction, or at least liking. If the person is not your type then they may even totally repel you, because they have an strange vibe about them that makes you feel disconcerted. Unlike with attraction, where you feel compelled to take the extra effort to understand how to jibe with that person despite the fact that they sometimes seem to behave like an alien visitor from another planet. Actually you often get a kick out of this, and they make you laugh. When you think about it humor is really all about bizarre combinations.

There's something kind of 'off' about quincunxes, they can make us feel spaced out and confused, like we're not quite getting something but we want to figure it out, so we try all kinds of ways get to the bottom of things with the other person.

The quincunx has to do with adjustments, improvements, modifications, investigation, and strange undercurrents. Not quite 'getting' a certain aspect of the other person inspires us to work things out with them, or figure things out, so we know how to deal with them and where we stand with them. There's also something kind of embarrassing or awkward about a quincunx. Our feelings about the other person, whether it be extreme attraction, or intense dislike, are sort of embarrassing to admit to for some reason. We may be concerned about finding the appropriate way to express these feelings, or wonder if they should be expressed at all in some cases. I think quincunxes are harmless when mixed with lots of other kinds of synastry aspects, and they can even add a bit of interesting intrigue to a connection. Positive sides of the quincunx are curiosity about each other, and an endless drive to decipher the other person and improve things together. But too many quincunxs in synastry would mean you'd have to constantly over-explain yourself to clarify what you mean all the time (while the other person scratches their head), and that's just tiresome.

Quincunx couples often seem mismatched somehow. Instead of the cheerleader going out with the macho captain of the football team, it's like she decides to go for the dorky but intellectual captain of the science club instead. I think quincunxes between gender planets (Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars) can cause attraction, but it's often an odd, unexpected attraction as mentioned above.

Celeb couple Megan Fox and Brian Austen Green have her Mars quincunx his Venus. They have always seemed to come across as an odd match.


This is a very nice description, Lotis, thank you. I am not sure the potential for repulsion is higher than in other instances (other aspects), but it could be.

That is just another very interesting topic: potential for repulsion in aspects. Now the big question is: don't they all have this potential?
I think certain planets have a stronger repulsion potential: namely Pluto and Saturn. But what about aspects?

What do you all think about what causes repulsion?


EDIT: in fact, perhaps all planets can give that too: Mars, Uranus.

Repulsion could definitely come from the lack of aspects (unfit aspects).
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posted July 13, 2015 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis and Leeloo,

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Repulsion can come from a lot of things I supose. It is a strong emotional response, albeit a negative one, so I think, instead of a lack of aspects, therew ill be strong aspects, but something must be totally "off".

Maybe the other person is simply not our type, then when we have strong synastry aspects then we can`t help but react to that person who is totally not our type.

Or a difference in how we respond to the composite.

A synastry, composite which has very strong aspects, that do not find ANY resonance in our natal make up.

For example a heavily Uranian composite for a very Saturnian or lunar person (without strong Uranus) can be such a turn-off (though a learning experience).


Things like that, and many more.

However I do also think, like Lotis, that the quinkunx - under certain circumstances - might be more inclined to creat that "off" feeling, especially if not supported by the Yod-configuration.

The connecton is there, yes, but sometimes it is a connection between non-fits. nothing in common really, which yes, can be good for learning, but who really wants that?
(well some people do)

The connection is like locking up two people in the same room, or even with handcuffs to each other, but that does not mean they really like each other.
maybe they do, maybe they donīt.
For that "like each other" I am more inclined to check the natal charts anyway, I find them more insightful in this way, and that liking needs aspects to be expressed, but the start is in the natals.


So if we have a quinkunx it depends.

My friend`s Virgo-Sun is quinkunx my Aquarius-Moon exactly.

Obviously we DO like each other. And obviously we are quite different in some regards.


But her Sun-dispositor is in Libra, rather responsive to my Airy Moon. my Moon-dispositor is in Scorpio, and the traditional one is in Cancer, and actually exactly sextile her Sun.

There is the common ground we have, plus her Moon is sextile my Moon.

the dispositor of my Sun in Pisces, feeling complementarity with her Virgo-Sun.
the dispositor of her Moon in Libra, resonating subtly with my Aquarius-Moon in an airy way.

It does not eliminate the differences between our Sun and Moon, but it keeps the space for communication open, even when at times we drove each other crazy, not really crazy, but the differences created some distance at certain points in our lives, but then we could at least fall back on the nice MOon-Moon-sextile.

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posted July 13, 2015 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hm why would you hate a quincunx from Neptune in Sagittarius to your Cancer stellium since it is most likely responsible for your psychic, creative and imaginative gifts? It would make you too much of a dreamer or fantasist only if the energy is not used in a practical way
It probably gives bursts of this kind of energy, in a cyclic manner, sometimes out of your control.


I know but as you said, sometimes it is out of control.
It's just that I sometimes find people with strong aqua or sag influences highly irritating.
I've heard that people with neptune quincunx asc/sun/venus are sometimes like destined to use drugs

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posted July 13, 2015 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do I irritate you?

Why? What have I done wrong?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do I irritate you?

Why? What have I done wrong?


i would have to know you in person, darling

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posted July 13, 2015 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
I know but as you said, sometimes it is out of control.
It's just that I sometimes find people with strong aqua or sag influences highly irritating.
I've heard that people with neptune quincunx asc/sun/venus are sometimes like destined to use drugs

I can understand why Aqua and Sag can be irritating for Cancer, for the energies are so different. Of course, the Cancer side is just one side of your chart. However, contrary to other astrological opinions, I expect people with Aqua and Sag placements in aspect to your Cancer placements to be the most compatible Aqua and Sag out there for you, and those with no aspects to be the more irritating.
Suppose someone with an Aqua stellium makes no aspect to your Cancer stellium. They may trigger no interest in you or even find them irritating. But if their stellium is in quincunx or BQ with yours, you might find the differences a good match. It still remains to be established though, not enough research.

Yes, I expect bouts of strong Neptunian needs, out of the blue, which may lead to escapist behavior
I think the Quincunx qualifies quite well for "out of our control", or "influence outside of comfort zone" or "external event".

Have you ever been involved in events concerning water or liquids? pleasant or unpleasant. Danger of drowning, fear or fascination for water,flood, exsanguination, need for transfusion, creative pursuits with water or liquids? Important PMS symptoms?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Repulsion can come from a lot of things I supose. It is a strong emotional response, albeit a negative one, so I think, instead of a lack of aspects, therew ill be strong aspects, but something must be totally "off".

Yes, I think this is the general view behind the concept of "good" vs. "bad" aspects, the root of the square vs trine (artificial) battle. It's not mine, but it is widespread and I don't have enough data now to contradict it yet. The idea behind it is that one needs an aspect to cause a reaction: attraction or repulsion, and that repulsion has to be backed up by strong aspects as well.

What I believe is that all aspects have the potential to cause repulsion in us, if they don't match our needs. So it's actually a variation of this theory.

Another thing I believe is that the lack of aspects, such as upaspected planets, can cause repulsion as well, not just indifference.

There are also planets responsible with the love/hate push/pull in our charts, Pluto, Saturn, Uranus, Mars and when triggered, they may cause such a reaction. But not triggered (unaspected) could lead to the same reaction. It's unclear at this point.

A good example for this is unrequited charts. What actually happens in there is a lack of aspects scenario, rather than the other one. By this I mean an unbalance between the two charts: one is strongly hit in the hot spots (what they like) the other is not. It is not like both people have equally strong aspects. Otherwise, we would have the one with unrequited feelings receiving very strong aspects, but nah. It doesn't seem to be this way. They receive the wrong aspects or no aspects.
I do agree though that some contacts are antagonistic: Uranus with Saturn, Saturn with Neptune, for example. However, I think the presence of the aspect shows they can actually work together, there is potential in this respect. Of course, this is just my personal view.

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posted July 13, 2015 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I can understand why Aqua and Sag can be irritating for Cancer, for the energies are so different. Of course, the Cancer side is just one side of your chart. However, contrary to other astrological opinions, I expect people with Aqua and Sag placements in aspect to your Cancer placements to be the most compatible Aqua and Sag out there for you, and those with no aspects to be the more irritating.
Suppose someone with an Aqua stellium makes no aspect to your Cancer stellium. They may trigger no interest in you or even find them irritating. But if their stellium is in quincunx or BQ with yours, you might find the differences a good match. It still remains to be established though, not enough research.

Yes, I expect bouts of strong Neptunian needs, out of the blue, which may lead to escapist behavior
I think the Quincunx qualifies quite well for "out of our control", or "influence outside of comfort zone" or "external event".

Have you ever been involved in events concerning water or liquids? pleasant or unpleasant. Danger of drowning, fear or fascination for water,flood, exsanguination, need for transfusion, creative pursuits with water or liquids? Important PMS symptoms?


yes, that is true. Sometimes i find people with aqua/sag placements not irritating but highly completing.

To be honest: i am really really scared of a deep blue ocean. I need to see the ground of the sea otherwise it scares the hell out of me. I would be very scared to be eaten by a shark or something- i am damned serious. No joke.

If my life is not the way i want I am in danger to indulge myself in smoking pot

Also, i had serious PMS syndroms when i was younger. I couldn't walk anymore...it was horrible in my teens....

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posted July 14, 2015 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Repulsion can come from a lot of things I supose. It is a strong emotional response, albeit a negative one, so I think, instead of a lack of aspects, therew ill be strong aspects, but something must be totally "off".


I agree with Ceri here. Repulsion is a strong reaction and is more likely to come from strong aspects. No aspects give no reaction at all. If we're repulsed by someone that's usually natal charts rubbing each other the wrong way.

Actually I have noticed that the quincunx does have a link to repulsion (in synastry and transits). The signs Virgo (physical health) and Scorpio (psychological undercurrents) quincunx Aries in the natural order of the zodiac. Something about the person's bodily functioning may make us feel almost ill, or they may give us weird psychological 'vibes' that put us off. I've noticed this can happen most often with stand-alone quincunxes... Quincunxes that have no other aspects to them to release the tension. Not that all quincunxes manifest like this!!

The other side of the coin is that quincunxes are also associated with a strange spaced out sort of euphoria... Like the kind you get recovering from the flu, and your body is healing. Or the feeling of release you get when you're able to let go of some type of psychological strain, and you've hashed out the issues within yourself. Things are still a bit foggy, and you might be exhausted, but you still feel joyful as you grow towards improvement. It's a euphoric, dreamy, relieved feeling.

I've honestly noticed that quincunxes can go either way here, just like squares can be either about stimulating intensity or painful clashes. Quincunxes have a euphoria/repulsion spectrum. Which one gets activated most tends to depend on a combination of what planets are involved, and what else the person is doing to your chart. Yeah, I think planets like Pluto, Mars, and Saturn in aspect to each other are more likely to cause repulsion then Venus quincunx Jupiter, for example. However if the person also has Moon in your 5th house, and Sun conjunct your 7th house ruler, you might not give a crap what is quincunxing what. You just like them and want to figure out how to connect. And as much as quincunxes can repulse us, they can also fascinate us and pull us into the 'mystery' and 'uniqueness' of the other person and how they do things.

Again, getting back to the gender planets... Venus quincunx Mars would still be about attraction. But perhaps that attraction embarrasses you and makes you feel awkward, or maybe the person isn't your usual type but you like them anyway, or maybe the person in question mystifies you with their contrary behavior, or maybe other people see the two of you as a weird match and you pick up on this. The attraction is mixed with an awareness of mis-match, and desire 'fix' the situation, and get to the real truth of what's going on.

Quincunxes by themselves tend to carry a lot of strain and tension with them, so it can really benefit if this tension can be relived by other aspects in synastry. For example, if someone's Venus is Quincunx your Moon but their Jupiter is trine your Moon, the trine gives the tension of the quincunx somewhere to flow. Even a square to help in this way. Hard aspects are confrontational and so they can clear the air by allowing us to confront and directly sort our the weird tension of the quincunx. Stand-alone quincunxes are probably the hardest to deal with.

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posted July 14, 2015 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love ppl with their Sun quincunx my Sun, I married a cancer Sun inconjunct my saggy Sun and the other side is the Taurus Sun...oh boy!! I love them!
I've dated several guys who's taurus Sun was exact inconjunct my Sun. Of course it never worked out but, wow, was I ever attracted to those boys!!

I don't have any inconjuncts except my Moon inconjunct my Vertex...3.5 degree
My Mars inconjunct my Sun...5 degree, that's to far though for a minor aspect.

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posted July 14, 2015 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice post, Lotis! as I said I have a slightly different opinion, only slightly lol but I love your post.

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posted July 17, 2015 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone has synastry/composite quincunxes to share?

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