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babybull82
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posted July 13, 2015 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To fully explain, I'm wondering if anybody else has experienced having had a negative first impression or perceptions of someone who's Pluto tightly (I'm talking 3 degrees or less) aspecting your personal planets in synastry. Obviously I'm talking about the harsh aspects like the opp/square ( I mean can a conjunction be seen as harsh, not sure)

It doesn't matter what personal planet, I'd just like to hear if anybody else has experienced this.

There is this guy and we have this weird kind of situation going on. Anyway. His Pluto opposes my sun at 0 degrees 22 minutes..and I tell ya this guy REALLY intimidates me. Like I'm afraid to even start a conversation with him thru chat even if he messaged me first. Also, my perception of him is that he's mean. But I think his chart would suggest otherwise.

Either I just have excellent perception of his negative traits or it's his Pluto making me think he's this scary mean person. Like I imagine if I talk to him he'd ignore me or say something mean even though he never has. When we are together I feel like there is this sense of urgency with him and I feel rushed and he's aggressive (in my opinion), I know he likes me (well at least physically) But I just can't help there is something about him that I don't like, but at the same time I find myself wanting to talk to him and get to know him.

Any others with experiences like this?

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posted July 13, 2015 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! Is that the only hard aspect with Pluto involved? What about mars?

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posted July 13, 2015 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I married someone I had venus pluto square with and it's definitely been love/hate.
I had venus sq pluto and venus sq mars double whammy (both!) With someone last summer, and you don't know if you want to smack them or do the other word that ends in "K". But either way it's an intense, rightnowinyourface kinda feeling.

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posted July 14, 2015 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Hi! Is that the only hard aspect with Pluto involved? What about mars?

His Pluto semi-squares my Mars by 2 degrees & apparently it also sesiquadrates my Venus at zero degrees. I didn't mention them because most people don't pay attention to the minor aspects. We do have venus opp Pluto in the composite, would that contribute to the discomfort I feel around him?

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posted July 14, 2015 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I said this in another thread, but I have a tight Venus square Pluto natally, and (because of this?) I feel very comfortable with people whose Pluto squares my Venus. I know it would be generational, but I mean very tight squares here: 1 degree or less.

For example, there's somebody whose Pluto makes a pretty much exact square with my Venus, and it makes me feel unusually confident and powerful! I know it must sound strange, but that person makes me think, "I could have power over this person if I wanted to. I could bring him to his knees." I know it sounds bizarre, even narcissistic, and it's probably just an illusion. But it's the FEELING I get from that person. And it's puzzling because I've read everywhere that usually the Pluto person has the upper hand with these aspects, so to speak. That hasn't been my experience at all. All the people I can think of whose Pluto makes significant aspects with my personal planets make ME feel more powerful.

To use the person above as an example, I almost feel like my own Venus-Pluto square takes the energy of his Pluto and turns it against him...! (My Venus is also conjunct his Eros and square his Moon, so that probably amplifies the sensation of power?)

Thinking about it more broadly, I think I tend to get very *positive* first impressions of people whose Pluto makes aspects to my personal planets. Admittedly, I don't have a large sample - and, to be fair, I don't usually know the birth times of people I *don't* like. But I wonder if those who have some kind of pronounced Plutonian energy in their own natal charts are more likely to respond to it positively in synastry?

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posted July 14, 2015 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must add, however, that I should perhaps be more wary of Plutonian energy. I have a tendency to attract obsessive people, although there's nothing particularly special about me (no striking good looks, etc.) to explain the obsession.

I don't know the birthdates of most of these people, but one of them I know and now that I looked at it... yikes. Her Pluto squares my Sun/Mercury (2 degrees) and opposes my Moon (3 degrees). She was a friend, not even a close friend - I liked her at first, we had a lot in common intellectually, but something about me quickly triggered a scary obsession in her. She wanted to control and "possess" me, there's no other way to put it. And she's a heterosexual female (as far as I know), as am I. I had to cut her out of my life when she started to become threatening, and even after that, she persisted in contacting me for several years and declaring how much she loved me. That was very... odd.

So, yes: if you get a negative first impression from aspects like these, it might be there for a reason...

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posted July 14, 2015 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 14, 2015 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Sometimes I feel that people are reading way too much into Pluto when it comes to synastry. Pluto placements are generational - for someone like me, who was born with Pluto tightly square Sun and opp. Moon, this means that basically everyone I grew up and went to school with has these same hard Pluto aspects to both my luminaries. Needless to say I got along differently with different people, but no one ever gave me a per se threatening feeling just because of those Pluto aspects. In fact I can't recall ever meeting a person I had the sort of chemistry with that you describe. My guess is other synastry factors are perhaps of greater importance for that sort of thing….just my 2 cents, of course.

You know, this is why I've wondered why Pluto threads always tend to say "the planet person feels it more" or some variation of that.

For the planet person, there are lots of people - an entire generation - who have their Pluto square her Venus or whatever. For the Pluto person, there are considerably fewer people whose Venus/Mars/Sun/whatever are exactly in the right spot - right?

Wouldn't it therefore make more sense that these aspects in synastry would be more significant from the Pluto person's point of view?

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posted July 14, 2015 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 14, 2015 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was actually wondering what kind of hard aspects his mars makes to your planets in synastry. Does he have prominent Aries in his chart? A synastry chart would be helpful if you can post. I'm also curious as to what mercury is doing since you mentioned intimidation in the thought of raising a discussion with him.

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posted July 14, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you everyone for your input!!!

To the person who mentioned why people put so much emphasis on Pluto..the only reason I used this as an example is because that is the strongest aspect we have in syanstry so I figured it might be the reason for the feeling of intimidation on my part.

I also know a lot of what I'm feeling could very much be in my head too. May be worth noting too that we are NOT from the same Pluto generation as mine is in Libra and his is Scorpio, we are like 7 yrs apart. I get what you're saying about a whole generation of people whose Pluto opposes my Sun, maybe it's because I don't normally deal with men who are younger than me that I don't experience this aspect very often.

Here is the synastry chart for those that are curious:


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posted July 15, 2015 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmiqPhuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as who feels it more, I think its pretty equal. Personal planet person is more vulnerable though. I think if the personal planet person has the Pluto aspect natally, they will be more used to the energy and be more "comfortable in their skin" about it than someone who doesn't. That could be perceived as feeling it less, I would guess. Perhaps having it natally evens the playing ground for the personal planet person, when usually the Pluto person would have the upper hand.

My parents are 7 years apart and have different Pluto signs. My dad's Pluto conjuncts my mom's Venus. My mom doesn't have the aspect natally. From what I can tell, their relationship seems to exhibit the textbook definition of Venus conjunct Pluto. I suspect it would be different if she had it natally.

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posted July 15, 2015 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mereiposa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll add my experience. My ex husband's (who is 9 years older) pluto trines my moon (1deg), sextiles my sun (4deg), and conjunct my mars (2deg). In the relationship and marriage, I usually had the upper hand. At least outwardly. I was very dominant in the relationship, he was very passive and eager to please. Now, in divorce, it is quite the opposite. I have emotionally severed ties, but he continues to manipulate and try to wield power over me. I attribute this to our natal charts, for sure, but in my experience pluto goes both ways.

Also, anyone in my general age range automatically squares my sun and moon, and their neptune squares my mars. However, I experience pluto and neptune issues/challenges every which way I turn. So I am realizing it is just something I have to learn to cope with regardless.

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posted July 15, 2015 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 15, 2015 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmiqPhuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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^That's quite possible, maybe it's then really a good idea to first look at what Pluto does in one person's natal chart before assessing the synastry effects of Pluto with another person...

My mom's Pluto conjuncts her sun and squares her moon natally. My dad's Pluto squares his mars natally. Synastry wise, they also have mars square Venus double whammy, mercury square mercury, mars square moon, mercury square moon, mercury square mars... You can imagine how many of their fights I had to witness growing up. They've seriously considered divorce 5 times. The only thing they seem to have is the Venus conjunct Pluto, besides their suns trining.

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posted July 15, 2015 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You would think with his sun trining my moon I'd feel a friendliness towards him but all I have is fear. So I thought about what someone said up thread about it being possibly a different aspect and you know what, in starting to think they're right. It didn't really register with me that my Venus falls in his 12th house. I've read that this placement can create the sort of fear that I have when it comes to reaching out to him. I'm afraid he'll reject any attempt I make to connect with him. After all the other things I've read this may be the culprit for my negative feelings towards him. But that doesn't explain his aggressiveness or perceived aggressiveness towards me.

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posted July 15, 2015 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If his birth time is correct, he is an Aries rising. This in itself can make some people uncomfortable or hesitant to approach him, as he can be seen as very direct with his thoughts and comments at times.

He also has his mars near your NN which may also contribute to that uneasy feeling.

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posted July 15, 2015 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Vajra: Yes!! My vertex conjunct his Neptune and Saturn, what could that mean? I know I've read that Saturn to vertex can be binding but I'm not sure what it means when it's conjuncting Neptune. One thing is for sure I'm supposed to be learning some lesson from him or our situation, but I've yet to figure out what it could be. I wonder how he feels on his end. You think maybe he's uncomfortable too? Maybe MY Pluto conjunct his descendant is overwhelming to him but he's good at hiding it.

@ llewsacm: I have Mars conjunct SN in syanstry with someone and it's a very sexual connection, I wonder if it's the same with the NN. I was like obssesed and really into him for about a week and then it just faded and while I'm not sure how to feel, I'm attracted but then not. I just feel very drawn to him. It's frustrating that's for sure.

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posted July 15, 2015 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read mars conj Saturn is a karmic and sexual aspect. Like you want to continue having great sex with this person bc you did before.

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posted July 15, 2015 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I've read mars conj Saturn is a karmic and sexual aspect. Like you want to continue having great sex with this person bc you did before.

You mean Mars conjunct SN? If that's what you mean, then yes it's very true. But the twist here with that person I mentioned having this aspect with his NN conjuncts my Venus. So I guess we're supposed to be moving away from just having a sexual connection. Well that's what I took from it anyway.

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posted July 16, 2015 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So update lol this just happened a few hrs ago.

Again he was being pushy and wanting to see me, but told him I was busy. He kept pushing and then I once and for all told him what my schedule was and that when he figures things out we can go from there. Well he sent me a message, but I was busy and couldn't respond..next thing I know he deleted me off his fb!! My last message to him was why did he delete me and was it because I'm putting something first before him, then I blocked him. I mean he's not my boyfriend or anything and I knew what he wanted anyway so it wasn't a priority to me. Soo looks like we're done here lol.

To be honest I feel kinda ****** and I feel like this isn't the end either but he's blocked and doesn't have my new number so I don't know how he'll reach me and don't think I care too much.

Now looking at our synastry and his Saturn sitting on my vertex which is like fated encounters and such, I think this was a lesson about boundaries. He didn't respect mine, I stood up for myself and now he's POOF!! Hopefully this was the lesson I kept failing before and now I can move on to the next phase which will be meeting someone worthwhile..at least I hope!

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