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Aubyanne
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posted July 24, 2015 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many long for the certainty and everlasting love of a twin flame.

We're raised on faerie-tales, regardless of our culture, promising a romantic experience beyond our boldest imagination. It's almost a cruel reality that few of us will ever truly know this experience we've been sold so thoroughly by the media and even our own heritage. It's one of the greater sins to make man desire, to poorly paraphrase the Buddha. I must say it's exponentially worse to 'promise' something to never be delivered. And yet, I've found this is likely the awful truth. True love is rare, rather than anything to which we're entitled, and the scant few who will ever truly experience it are saddled with an even greater responsibility: to share it, teach it, and live it. Fully.

When I first begun my research into twin flames, I never imagined in my wildest dreams it would be revealed that I might actually be one. But, looking back over my life, it isn't surprising. I'm a loner who keeps to herself and ultimately seeks to inform, educate, inspire -- and, at this point in my life, now heal -- the world. I don't need a man to buoy my self-esteem, and the worst disservice I ever did to myself was allow the belief (in my early twenties) that the satisfaction of one's beloved was the true meaning of life. (But, hey, I am a Libran. It's practically a merit badge for a child of Venus.) In fact, I need nothing to validate me at all that exists outside of my own multifaceted being. (I was first a child of the universe, after all.) While a woman, I've never been particularly feminine. I've been called androgynous more than once, and psychological testing even revealed that my mind is more 'masculine' than feminine, while my personality is oddly a marriage of both. Not to mention a bizarre balance of several contradictory principles, as young as sixteen: equal parts feeling, thinking, judging, and perceiving. Really, the only thing I was more of was intuitive rather than sensory. Through the years, I've even become a balance of introversion and extraversion -- even as I regularly require my solitude to find my centre and 'recharge'.

However, a lot of the balance of masculine and feminine didn't come about until later.

I emerged from the fog in which I'd found myself as an adolescent when my first Saturn Return began -- and I met a very special man in the midst of it. (Or, I should say, 'met' a very special man; it would seem our 'meeting' occurred many years before.) One who would turn everything around, somehow, by merely loving me -- and, in turn, teaching others -- as if by osmosis -- how to love me as well. I couldn't help but return the favour, loving everyone in my circle with a depth and honesty hitherto unknown for me. His brilliant combination of gentlemanly sensitivity and masculine certainty began to draw my hidden femininity (VENUS in 12H, of course) as if by magnet.

Suddenly, I felt feminine; I even wanted to explore my femininity! Not just because he thought me beautiful, in my lack of cosmetics, ponytail, tee-shirt and capri pants. His masculine energy was unique to me -- subtly commanding without ever once being overbearing, it was merely secure within itself. There was no ego; he celebrated his own feminine qualities via a masculine lens: gentility, honour, dignity and respect. Sensitive, but not maudlin. Sophisticated, even elegant. He had nothing to prove, and only sought to express himself as he saw fit as a result. Further, he sought nothing of me but my company, friendship, and genuine happiness.

I was spellbound. A heavy weight lifted off of me as I fancied myself how he saw me. A regal, lovely, capable, and powerful woman. A queen. A goddess. The ultimate embodiment of femininity which neither seeks to prove, nor diminish itself, in the face of masculinity. It was as if I was experiencing masculinity for the first time -- in a man that wasn't my father. Only he seemed to truly have just the right balance, which complements my mother's expression of femininity ideally. While I thought, surely such things must exist on earth outside of them, I never thought I should chance to know it.

Something unique was being ignited within me, for the first time. A profound fire that would grow to a conflagration, totally transforming me from what I was and had been to what I would be, and am becoming.

And yet, I didn't even contemplate whether he might be my twin flame. I wasn't looking; the thought never crossed my mind. I didn't even think I had one.

Which, if you think about it, though, is the least you'd expect of a girl who was bathed in golden light in the first hours following her birth, yeah? Of course, my Virgo rising can be more than a bit frustrating, with its 'just the facts, ma'm' routine. Though it is my best defence -- science -- against the madness of the multiverse; my abilities of scepticism, discernment, and methodology. I'm convinced that physics is the perfect microcosm of the macrocosm that is our universe, and through it, we can understand anything given enough knowledge and investigation.

Especially, twin flames.

Curiously, I was drawn in to study quantum physics in depth the same year that I had tried to resolve a complicated, then several-years-long relationship with what I can only describe as 'my twin ray', for lack of better. Of course, initially, iQ had a different label for the whole bizarre situation: twin flame. And so the following years would reveal the -- not just option of, but absolute requirement of carefully studying and evaluating the relationship between the participants themselves against the backdrop of the astrology.

In a phrase:

Astrology cannot be the sole determinant or singular factor determining whether two individuals (or more) are twin flames (or share a similar such soul connexion).

It is neither a failure of astrology nor the investigators engaged in this research that this conclusion seems the most valid one. Rather, like all things, we must take everything into consideration; much in the way that we don't panic regarding the notion of 'why haven't I met X with Y birthdate?' or, more commonly, 'if X shares my birthdate, then don't they possess the same synastry and composite with Y?' (Answer: yes, they do, but you and Y are together, not X, and so we don't worry about it. There's a reason that it occurred as it did, and no use bothering with the sheer mathematical probability of astrotwins, and the conclusions drawn regarding them.)

As before stated, I do believe that quantum theory ultimately holds the key to our understanding of the nature of twin flames. However, it may also reveal that our dualistic understanding of them results from failing to understand much outside of dualism. The truth is, if quantum entanglement is the genuine nature of what we've come to associate as 'twin flames', then, yes, there can be more than one.

However, it's quite rare that there will be more than two, and, in the case of, say, three (which truly does seem the likely 'limit' at this time) it's unlikely that all three would be interacting directly, as it's one who is directly 'entangled' with the other -- even though, by mere association, they are still 'entangled' altogether.

Confused yet?

We've been doing this with photons in the field of quantum physics for a bit now; two was our maximum, but we've recently been able to manage to entangle three -- after, literally, some quadrillion times. (Yes, literally, not hyperbole.) One in a quadrillion. Those are the numbers here, my friends. Two is a bit more routine -- but only a bit. Cooper pairs, as they're called, are often created in labs (via superconductivity) for the sole purpose of being split apart -- to test their entanglement properties.

How exactly do entangled photons behave? Well, for one, they act in opposite congruence with everything the other does. In short, an exact mirror of one another. They possess the same value. If one has a positive spin, the other's is negative -- but of the same speed. Distance nor time can break this remarkable connexion which Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance' (even if he argued with its actual existence on his deathbed). Now, physicists create entangled pairs for study and research to explore spooky action as a matter of course.

So why not, as above, so below? Are we not beams of a certain nature of light attached to, and operating within the confines of, physical form? Little then must truly separate us from the photons which comprise the light of our universe.

I am eager to explore this theory; to understand the greater nature of 'soul entanglement' for lack of better, and its obvious consequences. Especially, how we might detect these rare, profound experiences of one another in astrology. I feel our twin flame research, though in its infancy still, is a strong start for a brighter future with legitimate progress.

I do feel, however, we might want to change our definition of the term, as well as remove some of the restrictions we've placed upon that understanding. Plato is lovely metaphor, but I don't think it belongs here; rather, he was likely exploring the infinite nature of gender, and the polarity that is masculine versus feminine. The two always 'begin' together, as we are free of gender identification in the womb, and for a time at the DNA level. Then, for a period, we are both, and finally, only one remains, and it's that with which we are born.

Indeed, masculine and feminine are on an aeternal search to become combined again as one; we see this occurring on every level. In science, specifically, the nature of particles, we see this yin versus yang principle as positive and negative charge. This is magnetism. This is the ultimate attraction and powerful draw of one to its opposite to form an incredible, energetic bond.

This is science. It can also be spirit. It could very well be soul.

At any rate, these are my thoughts. I'm looking forward to exploring them further in better quality, with greater depth.

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posted July 25, 2015 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those who might enjoy reading about the actual photon experiment, to grasp a more solid understanding of the underlying principles.

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posted July 25, 2015 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

they already are one--

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posted July 25, 2015 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There can be no suffering in longing when we've dispensed with the illusion of separateness... We are all born of the one, and the two, and we shall return unto that utter stillness again and again--it sustains us--we must simply do away with the illusion of separateness and the desire to cause suffering.

I understand now why you say twin flames would never intentionally hurt one another--love never does that. Love is Love!!! What a magic gift this life is!

sent you so much love last night, Aubyanne, Ceridwen, everybody--feeling connected and deeply at peace, yet deepening my astrological curiosity insofar as our Identities are sacred vessels and we are conduits, as we are all children so must we become the great mother, and blow in the wind, and sing on every sphere--

it goes beyond astrology and yet astrology is intrinsic to it all!-paradox--

had an insight about Virgo conjunctions to my South Node (where is your ascendant aubyanne?)

I felt like on an esoteric level a Sun conjunct a South Node of the moon is akin to a full moon in the North Node realm--that this is a powerful placement for souls teaching one another, especially in Virgo the lesson is not to judge judgmentalism! To see it as you say, Aubyanne, as one of many healthy mechanisms keeping it all ticking, holding it all together--the trick is to love it ALL!!! <3 ... LOOKING across at PISCES of course <3 <3

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posted July 25, 2015 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

they already are one--


... I don't follow?

Oh, nevermind; you explained it in the following post.

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posted July 25, 2015 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I meant the yin and yang

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posted July 25, 2015 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Thank you for your teachings!!! I bow before your awesome Virgo-ness, everything-ness, appreciate your insights and generosity with communication, and deeply respect all that you are! So much love and light here from everybody <3 Thank you

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posted July 25, 2015 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I do feel, however, we might want to change our definition of the term, as well as remove some of the restrictions we've placed upon that understanding. Plato is lovely metaphor, but I don't think it belongs here; rather, he was likely exploring the infinite nature of gender, and the polarity that is masculine versus feminine. The two always 'begin' together, as we are free of gender identification in the womb, and for a time at the DNA level. Then, for a period, we are both, and finally, only one remains, and it's that with which we are born.

Indeed, masculine and feminine are on an aeternal search to become combined again as one; we see this occurring on every level. In science, specifically, the nature of particles, we see this yin versus yang principle as positive and negative charge. This is magnetism. This is the ultimate attraction and powerful draw of one to its opposite to form an incredible, energetic bond.

This is science. It can also be spirit. It could very well be soul.

At any rate, these are my thoughts. I'm looking forward to exploring them further in better quality, with greater depth.


love this. Beautiful insight. Could read again and again your whole post and glean more and more meaning and depth. I

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posted July 25, 2015 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup... We add in non-linearity and hey presto! All of existence! Beautiful

The work... The work we have to do is continue to be in right relationship with everything... And respect everybody's place in all of this--some plumbing the depths and some helping others and some being whole unto themselves--

beautiful lovely 6th house/Virgo. Many revelations alongthis line. I'm so backwards, learning about my South Node! Heehee... so important to bring it into balanced manifestation. I feel like there's a lot of work to do with both nodes and really it's finding the sacred still point of balance and completion between them. The center of the wheel. ..

Are opposing signs always masculine/feminine?

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posted July 25, 2015 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 25, 2015 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got 10ºVIR43 rising, Yun.

And while I agree with you that, yes, the 'oneness' explanation is still underlying the whole principle, I feel it's scientifically lazy. This research and new hypothesis is culminating at an interesting time as well -- and right on my lunar return. The Venus ingress into Virgo is conjunct REGULUS and synonymous with the VENUSRx. This, in turn, coincides with the final days of the SATURNRx, to conclude on the first day of August, with an exact and 1º applying square between them -- and conjunct t JUP. Wow!

There are a few other things, leading to the revelatory moment of my needing to embark upon this research, as it's part of my 'contract with the universe'. My tropical ISIS is on REGULUS, where the tVENUSRx-JUPITER will be. The VENUSRx technically began with tSUN conjunct my AVX, and, of course, I've had tSATURN on my MOON, and conjunct my powerhouse Scorpio stellium in the 3H, off-and-on since 2013. (I also find it curious that the tSUN will be conjunct his tropical ALMA-JUPITER -- his skipped step -- but that's a pondering for another day.)

tMERC is also conjunct my tropical 12H OSIRIS-NNODE.

With two major things in the sky bringing together my natal ISIS and OSIRIS influence, and tMARS all over my tropical CERES-NYMPHE-SCHRODINGER-NESSUS (etc, I'm-sure-I'm-missing-something) in the 11H ...

It feels like it's time for the serious, scientific study of the twin flame phenomenon. No more 'spiritual shortcuts'. There will always be that which is unknowable, but I choose to believe that much can be known, and this could herald a whole new understanding -- one that is most needed for many of us to achieve our callings in this area.

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posted July 25, 2015 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh Thank you for your teachings!!! I bow before your awesome Virgo-ness, everything-ness, appreciate your insights and generosity with communication, and deeply respect all that you are! So much love and light here from everybody <3 Thank you

I'm glad that my 'Virgoness' isn't too off-putting to you, Yun. It's never, ever meant to be. It's just The Scientist, doing what The Scientist does. I'm trying to balance the appropriate empathy with my investigative nature. It doesn't always integrate perfectly.

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posted July 25, 2015 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vajra, Yes, i can attest to experiencing holograms of previous/other forms/people/beings. Communion with beings from all times is merely a thought away it seems... was communing with leonardo dicaprio.. lol.. and babaji maharishi--and my Dad!! ♡♡♡♡ last night--so many people--its Easy because they are me--and I them--and we are Love...

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To sound like a broken record but this realization made that Communion so much easier. It doesn't mean there isn't still the beauty of Identification/unique manifestation and subtleties of frequency, nuance in our experience, and wonder and awe in our walk on this beautiful earth! Certainly, there is much I do not know--and this not-knowing lends itself to learning and realizing.. We do go in order to return. It's lila, the sacred dance, and maya, the illusion... The illusion is separateness

I really felt it on a deep level and its useful information, the teaching of the Buddha coming to life... I was the Buddha as well. sacred ceremony is responsible.

Virgo....

Again... She really holds space for structure which makes all of this possible

I have both Vesta and Hestia very near my ascendant so I can get down with a little ceremony

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posted July 25, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Aubyanne yup I gotta work on my laziness for sure! Thank you.

of course my South node is almost exactly conjunct your ascendant and my North node is on your descendant

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posted July 25, 2015 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, Mr. Virgo's Venus is at 27 Leo... Yes yes yes, coming up on that retrograde Venus-Jupiter conjunction--very interesting!

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posted July 25, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Are opposing signs always masculine/feminine?

Believe it or not, no -- and that is what I've found so fascinating. Actual zodiacal polarity is not the same as the yin/yang principle.

ARIES and LIBRA balance each other through CANCER and CAPRICORN. They, themselves, while 'polar opposites' -- are both yang -- Fire and Air -- while CANCER/CAPRICORN is yin -- Water and Earth.

This is also why I've felt that T-Squares hold an innate power, given the fulcrum upon which the opposition rests, by way of the square. Tension? Of course. But what if we were to develop the traits more readily of the squared point?

Is it not through Cancerian empathy, psychic understanding, love of home and family, loyalty and kinship that we can truly unite the opposing principle of Self versus Other? Conversely, through the marriage of objective structure and the subjectivity of free-flowing dream (Capricorn) can we not only better understand Cancerian needs, but bring together Aries leadership with Libran diplomacy.

This is just one example, of course. The modalities work together in a kind of beautiful harmony when 'attuned' to their highest vibrations, and seeking that harmony.

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posted July 25, 2015 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We're raised on faerie-tales, regardless of our culture, promising a romantic experience beyond our boldest imagination. It's almost a cruel reality that few of us will ever truly know this experience we've been sold so thoroughly by the media and even our own heritage. It's one of the greater sins to make man desire, to poorly paraphrase the Buddha. I must say it's exponentially worse to 'promise' something to never be delivered. And yet, I've found this is likely the awful truth. True love is rare, rather than anything to which we're entitled, and the scant few who will ever truly experience it are saddled with an even greater responsibility: to share it, teach it, and live it. Fully.

Yes yes yes. We've been made to believe it's a fairie tale when really love is what we are and always were. The great illusion is that magic and love do not exist. They are burgeoning back into this material reality and all we need do as we become lighter and more connected with our soul families, sanghas, communities, and twin flames, soul mates of all kinds--is embody love and understanding at every turn, humble like the wolf, working together for greater understanding and harmony and a peaceful flourishing earth

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posted July 25, 2015 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buddha said The first cause of suffering is the illusion of separation, I believe. And last night I recalled that He also says that Desire is another--and I found it to be the desire to suffer, the desire to see suffering in others, promotes separation. Our society is sated on drama and violence. We must disengage from this illusion!

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posted July 25, 2015 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(and we are doing it together

I'm thinking soul families are really important right now for manifesting the reality of the consciousness of true love, and our physical lovers are just one facet of this.. or for me--with mr Virgo--cause I need his grounding in this lifetime at this particular time. But I'll let it flow--

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posted July 25, 2015 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Believe it or not, no -- and [b]that is what I've found so fascinating. Actual zodiacal polarity is not the same as the yin/yang principle.

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Yes, yes, yes.
She`s thinking it too!

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posted July 25, 2015 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
did you notice that thing about antiscia/ contrasica btw?
I once wrote something on here, and noticed something, though it felt like it was more or less written through me, and I had no clue what I was really writing, but iwill look for it.


"The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn shows him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`Re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?


Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn


Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE

If I have Moon on 28° Sagittarius and someone else has Sun on 2° Capricorn, we would still consider those two planets conjunct (4° orb), but since 0° Capricorn is a "mirror-axis", it also means that the MOon is 2° in front of this mirror and Sun is 2° behind this mirror. And everytime two planets are equidistant from our mirror, they are said to be in antiscion.
So, we would have an aspect (conjunction) and the connection over antiscion.

Actually this guy I`ve been talking about has his Venus in the antiscion of my Mars.
Seems I tapped into my very own forcefield.
His Venus is in Capricorn and my Mars is in Sagittarius.

My longest crush (the gay musical actor) has his Neptune in Scorpio in the EXACT antiscion of my Moon in Aquarius(Neptune rules his ASC and Moon rules my 8th house).
I can tell you TALES about THAT forcefield. Nebulous, dreamy, unreal, surreal, all very Neptunian.

It`s intersting, when we actually coincidentally met, and that whole thing started to solve itself (FINALLY), Transit Neptune was exactly conjunct my Moon and in the antiscion of his Neptune (his Neptune also is in the antiscion of his SN, which conjuncts my Moon exactly, so I guess it was a real OLD tale).

He actually completed me or my Moon in a way. And that is really interesting now. To me at least.
My Aquarius Moon is so intellectual, and before him I have never neve never had an infatuation about actor or anyone else; I was just standing above those things. I detested jealousy and posessiveness. Passion? Not real, just a figment of imagination. NOt being able to let go of a person, to be dependent? Weakness of an overemotional soul. Yes, I was convinced you can switch off and on your emotions, if you just try hard enough. Besides who needs such a dirty emotional mess in their lives, when they can have airy thoughts? (Aquarius - Moon, what shall I say?)

And then, he came on the stage of my life, with his Neptune in Scorpio in my 11th house.
Neptune - Sure he was a GAY MUSICAL ACTOR. How can you describe NEptune better (he could have been a drug addict, too, actually I met those too in that period)?
He drew my Moon, my emotions into his forcefield; well, drew, pulled, hypnotized me into it, fits it rather. Actually when it all started I had a dream I have never forgotten. And in that dream I had been pulled into a painting. REally pulled into it. And at once point in the dream I was walking on water, but then I remembered that I can`t swim, and I started drowning and that man told me that I drowned because I didn`t have faith. And then he disappeared.
But back to reality his Neptune in SCORPIO led me to experience all that I had suppressed, because my intellectual Aquarius-mind didn`t want to acknowledge it. And I experienced it all, the passion, the dependency, the emotional ups and downs, the obsession, the jealousy, the pain, the ultimate loss, the need to let go and surrender, I think I learned devotion, that I am NOT on a higher point as a mere observant. I am deeply involved in it all.

Funny enough when I noticed him Transit Pluto was exactly square my Moon and roughly conjunct his Neptune and opposite his Moon (seems he has had an exhausting period, too).

I think that is how it worked. I had to integrate him, or rather the part he symbolized, the part of my soul I had pushed away, and now I had to reintegrate this part. IT is a step on the way to wholeness.
And we humans learn that by meeting people, on which we can project all that is hidden and suppressed; they make us aware of it, so we can reintegrate it and finally return home into our own soul.

JEsus, what is wrong with me today? I`m writing and haven`t got the single idea what is writing me.

HOwever, I think this is how antiscion work, on a deeply spiritual, yet very real and physical level.


There are people who would see the contrascion as an opposition, but I do not make a difference here.
The thing is some people put the mirror on 0° Capricorn - 0° Cancer.
Some people put the mirror on the axis of 0° Aries - 0° Libra.

And if you change the place of the mirror, suddenly the antiscion will transform itself to the contrascion.

Example:
Aries has the antiscion in Pisces if you put the mirror onto 0° Aries.
If you put the mirror onto 0° Capricorn, Aries will have its antiscion in Virgo.

So, I don`t make a difference here.

There COULD be a symbolic difference between the Aries- LIbra and Capricorn-Cancer-axis though. Like Ascions over Cancer - Cappy reflecting more something parental, while Aries-Libra are more equally relationship oriented.

But since you will always get the same point, either as antiscion or as contrascion, I would treat them the same."

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@ Aubyanne yup I gotta work on my laziness for sure! Thank you.

of course my South node is almost exactly conjunct your ascendant and my North node is on your descendant


I know! I remember seeing that in the beginning. I think it's in part what's caused both the intense immediate reactions and responses, but also the genuine willingness to associate. We love to think that conjunctions -- the fusion -- is always going to be 'the best'. Ultimately, it will be the most rewarding, if we sort through the karma represented. It certainly gets our attention, though!

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Not the same as what you mean with the cross, auby, but I feel it is another important ingrdient.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ah, Mr. Virgo's Venus is at 27 Leo... Yes yes yes, coming up on that retrograde Venus-Jupiter conjunction--very interesting!

Oh! He'll be having a VENUS return to boot. That's a big time. It's when the almighty Love Goddess comes about to 'audit' us in the way of all-things-Venusian. We can find we're subject to much stock-taking in the way of how we love, what we love, why we love it; our personal aesthetics, our perspective and experience of art, and so on. Naturally, this is going to all take place in the house where VENUS is placed, as well as what it's ruling.

I'm intrigued that he's got VENUS on REGULUS. My boyfriend's JUNO is there, whereas mine is on the SGC (along with SATURN-ALMA). I feel that these points that naturally deal with partnership, relationship, love, and 'the other' being on such profound, potent places has an undoubted effect, and a greater mission.

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Yes, yes, yes.
She`s thinking it too!

And you're surprised by this?

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