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Aubyanne
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posted July 27, 2015 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ask and ye shall receive, lovely fellow stargazers. I'd been contemplating this one for a bit, what with my extensive research into the Carrollian asteroids, focussing first upon MADHATTER.

It's a largely misunderstood fellow; often accused of insanity when that, in and of itself, appears to be yet another misunderstanding. To be sure, the layers can pile on with MADHATTER.

What might first seem madness may then prove perfectly logical with a shift in perspective. As such, there's a whole lotta dimensionality going on here.

MADHATTER can be seen in relationship to time, eccentricity, unconventionality, and a confident bucking, even mockery, of tradition and the establishment. Points affected will get a dose of the quirky, even brazenly in opposition to the status quo.

It oft acts akin to a Uranian influence with a dash of MERCURYRx. Innovation which may be too out there for some; ostensibly wacky, though later recounted as outside-of-the-box, and even genius.

When in close aspect (0°-3°30) to our love and / or relationship points -- including the cusps and rulers of our 5H, 7H and 8H -- we can see the effects either in our personal interactions or embodied by our partners.

Some to consider for investigation or evaluation: VENUS, JUNO, VALENTINE (447), EROS, (433), CUPIDO (763), AMOR (1221), and UNION (1585).

Even if our love points are 'walking the straight and narrow' a partner's MADHATTER can come along a shake things up, much like any tURA in strong aspect.

They're here to show us a new and different way to relate; to renovate, even revolt against the accepted norm.

Needless to say, the possibilities are quite extensive!

Let's get started, shall we?

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Ceridwen
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posted July 27, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we shall.


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I have Madhatter conjunct Amor and this was conjunct my Ex bf's Venus. Our relationship wasn't really unconventional.

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posted July 27, 2015 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the Historical Figure's Madhatter appears to be *exactly* conjunct my Madhatter.

Sounds legit. Let's just say, my obsession with this person's reputation has certainly earned me a reputation for tinfoil hattery.

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posted July 27, 2015 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have Madhatter conjunct Amor and this was conjunct my Ex bf's Venus. Our relationship wasn't really unconventional.

Issues with time? How about multidimensionality?

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posted July 27, 2015 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
we shall.


Oooooh! Lightning is even better when on the indigo spectrum.

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Aubyanne
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posted July 27, 2015 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Petronilla:
Well, the Historical Figure's Madhatter appears to be *exactly* conjunct my Madhatter.

Sounds legit. Let's just say, my obsession with this person's reputation has certainly earned me a reputation for tinfoil hattery.


Wow! That's really something! And, it's not easy being ahead of one's time. It's 'quackery' until it's suddenly legitimised; then it's genius.

If only there were a way to short-circuit the 'quackery' phase.

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posted July 27, 2015 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synastry: Madhatter conj. AC exact, opposite Valentine.
Fitting
His Uranus conjuncts my Sun-Mercury, too

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posted July 27, 2015 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wow! That's really something! And, it's not easy being ahead of one's time. It's 'quackery' until it's suddenly legitimised; then it's genius.

If only there were a way to short-circuit the 'quackery' phase.


Truer words have never been spoken, Aubyanne.

I also checked the Madhatter with the "Lost Cause" person from the other thread: my Madhatter is exactly conjunct his Uranus/Neptune conjunction. And believe me, my views on that subject are definitely major "tinfoil hattery" as well. All the more so for being politically sensitive; potentially even dangerous. (Therein lies the rub: if I had any real chance of proving myself right on this subject, I'd most likely be in danger. But I have no way to ever even prove it, so there's no need to worry about that part...)

Upsetting the status quo, indeed. I think you're definitely on the right track about this asteroid.

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

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posted July 27, 2015 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone with probably an exact conjunction (with the TOB in use it's 1 minute) of Vertex and Madhatter has a mad occultist on his back. Guess how I know that

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posted July 27, 2015 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hypatia238
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posted July 27, 2015 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting A, will check out later. I already have Mercury Rx and chart ruler Jupiter conjuncting exact my Uranus...

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posted July 27, 2015 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mereiposa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my MADHATTER is conjunct my natal psyche, and in synastry conjunct his uranus

his MADHATTER is conjunct my natal mercury

funny since you said it has a uranus/mercury vibe to it.

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posted July 27, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
we shall.


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that`s why I chose this.

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posted July 27, 2015 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Synastry: Madhatter conj. AC exact, opposite Valentine.
Fitting
His Uranus conjuncts my Sun-Mercury, too

Oh, lord have mercy! That's a double dose! MH is shaking up the ASC's perception of just about everything; the classic 'hit me like a hurricane', but a bit more akin to Alice in the mad tea party. Definitely takes a bit of getting used to, but the unique history that can take shape as a result is powerful.

MH with VAL is always a fun one. Here we've got the classic archetype of true love combined with 'crazy, madcap humour!' to say the least. Yet again, VAL's concept of the nature of true love may undergo some serious alterations as a result of MH's influence.

That further echoes the Uranian influence already between you -- changing the view, perspective, and thinking differently about things.

VAL-MH would definitely be susceptible to not giving a whit, in the name of love. Rather than let the status quo, tradition or convention bar involvement, this is a VAL that's going to, indeed, be inspired by MH's no holds barred approach to the attainment of true love.

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posted July 27, 2015 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coolest thread ever, Auby

I have Madhatter conj Sun (don't get any ideas, it's only 3 deg BUT exact parallel (0)) smack on Sun/Mars mdp, and aspecting everything...the most important aspect: a perfect triangle made of quincunx to Chiron + semisextile to Uranus.

hehehehehehe

he has Madhatter conj MC and Saturn (0) and SN sq his ASC and Sun (wider, but I ain't ignoring it) hohohoho aspecting everything as well


my Madhatter aspects everything in his chart, such as conj his ASC, Avx, sq his NN/IC

because

the Madhatters are in sq

his Madhatter does the same to me

composite Madhatter sextiles Vx exact, trines Neptune...it looks so benign awww

What can I say? we are crazy!...about each other

Let me be honest with you: we drive each other crazy!

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posted July 27, 2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Petronilla:
Truer words have never been spoken, Aubyanne.

I also checked the Madhatter with the "Lost Cause" person from the other thread: my Madhatter is exactly conjunct his Uranus/Neptune conjunction. And believe me, my views on that subject are definitely major "tinfoil hattery" as well. All the more so for being politically sensitive; potentially even dangerous. (Therein lies the rub: if I had any real chance of proving myself right on this subject, I'd most likely be in danger. But I have no way to ever even prove it, so there's no need to worry about that part...)

Upsetting the status quo, indeed. I think you're definitely on the right track about this asteroid.

*adjusts tinfoil hat*


Ooooh, an intrigue! Nothing says 'politically dangerous intrigue' like URA/NEP. I tread a similar path myself; it may be my MOON-URA, but I think the status quo needs some upsetting. Progress! Innovation!

The Hatter was essentially outspoken; speaking of things that tended to denote insider information on top of that. Some things were simply blunt observations which, in that era, the mere mention of them was considered rude -- a social gaffe -- and thus avoided.

MADHATTER knows the minefields of the societal structure he's refuting by a kind of civil disobedience, if you will.

He's a social terrorist. His cause ostensibly the ludicrousness of propriety in the face of logic, sensibility, and honesty.

Now that I think of it ... maybe it's not such a bad skyrock to have 0° conjunct one's VALENTINE!

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posted July 27, 2015 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Someone with probably an exact conjunction (with the TOB in use it's 1 minute) of Vertex and Madhatter has a mad occultist on his back. Guess how I know that

Seeing as my boyfriend's got the 0° parallel in the 8H, I can say I know a bit about that!

What's your story, morning-glory?

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posted July 27, 2015 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Oh dear, oh dear….my own MADHATTER seems to be too close to my True Node for comfort (2°06). People keep saying I'm developing - let's say - strange quirks and I'm afraid they're being polite, so I guess it's time to get used to wearing a tinfoil hat too.

Welcome to the club! We have not only efficient, but cheap and wonderfully customisable headgear.

I can't help but wonder if your composite MH-NNODE isn't in your 9H. For such mad adventures -- especially abroad -- it's fitting. And, frankly, who's to say what's The Way of anything? It sounds as if you've acquired bushels of memories you eitherwise would have never had, should all have gone according to plan.

Wonderland's not so bad.

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posted July 27, 2015 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Very interesting A, will check out later. I already have Mercury Rx and chart ruler Jupiter conjuncting exact my Uranus...

Do you! Some of my favourite people in the world have MERCRx. I was born in the preshadow myself. And, as a MOON-URA, how I can argue with that 'logic'?

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posted July 27, 2015 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok my husband's Madhatter conjuncts exact my Priapus and my Madhatter-Valentine conjuncts his Northnode and my vertex.

My EX madhatter conjuncts my Sun, he brought excitement all right.

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posted July 27, 2015 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow my Madhatter conjuncts my valentine and forms a grand trine with my Pholus and southnode.

Falling in love is always a turning point for me and transforms me on a deep level, also I only let people in that I recognize and feel I already know, I am very southnode oriented in the love department, after all southnode does conjunct my AC even though it falls in my 12th.

Madhatter @ Leo 17d05
Valentine @ Leo 18d43
Pholus @ Aries 18d34
Southnode @ Sagittarius 19d41
Aura @ Sagittarius 18d24
Knight @ Sagittarius 19d15
Iris @ Sagittarius 20d47
Ascendent @ Sagittarius 23d38

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posted July 27, 2015 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mereiposa:
my MADHATTER is conjunct my natal psyche, and in synastry conjunct his uranus

his MADHATTER is conjunct my natal mercury

funny since you said it has a uranus/mercury vibe to it.


MADHATTER conjunct PSYCHE! I have that in synastry both ways. I'm still trying to understand the intricacies of that one.

MH conjunct MERC I know somewhat better. Does it ever feel like he's a MERCRx'er? Miscommunications and misinterpretations?

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posted July 27, 2015 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Coolest thread ever, Auby

I have Madhatter conj Sun (don't get any ideas, it's only 3 deg BUT exact parallel (0)) smack on Sun/Mars mdp, and aspecting everything...the most important aspect: a perfect triangle made of quincunx to Chiron + semisextile to Uranus.

he has Madhatter conj MC and Saturn (0) and SN sq his ASC and Sun (wider, but I ain't ignoring it) hohohoho aspecting everything as well

my Madhatter aspects everything in his chart, such as conj his ASC, Avx, sq his NN/IC

because

the Madhatters are in sq

his Madhatter does the same to me


What can I say? we are crazy!...about each other

Let me be honest with you: we drive each other crazy!


Thank you, Lee! I'm glad you're digging it. Hey, my boyfriend's SUN is parallel his, and there's, of course, that MADHATTER-VALENTINE of his natally, with my maiden name smack on it. Clearly, it was planned out long before we ever got here.

I've got MADHATTER rising (2°). You think you're going to get anything from this peanut-gallery?

I love that they're square, though; indeed there's a mutuality from that. Neither can really 'blame' the other; not with any legitimacy!

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posted July 27, 2015 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ok my husband's Madhatter conjuncts exact my Priapus and my Madhatter-Valentine conjuncts his Northnode and my vertex.

My EX madhatter conjuncts my Sun, he brought excitement all right.


Your PRIAPUS? Oh, wow! That's a sensitive spot! Did it bring it out for you more than it had been before? Or has he shown you new, different, and innovative things in the area of sexual vulnerability, primality, and submission?

You're a MADHATTER-VALENTINE! Hah! What's the orb?

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