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VestasLight
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posted July 28, 2015 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been studying astrology for nearly 19 yrs. And I've been reading these forums for at least 3 yrs now, but haven't really posted until today. I thought it was time to make a small contribution.

While this is by NO MEANS an official study, I just happened to come across a little formula over the years that seems to indicate a significant relationship. (This includes friendships and romantic partnerships.) These are relationships that had a great impact on each other, or ones that you will remember 20 years down the road. They weren't necessarily long lasting, but they definitely were significant in some way.

I call it "The Magic Trio"...

Saturn and either Sun or Moon: any aspect, including minors, within 5 degrees.
Pluto and either Sun or Venus (but often times both)
Nodes - Vx: any aspect within 5 degrees or so but most often it was a Trine or Square. (Note: this one seemed to be the critical deciding factor)

It is present in about 98% of the charts. So, I am curious what you guys find if you take a peek through your charts? Are you finding this too?

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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 28, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, there Welcome!

I am glad you are here, your research focus seems to be in tune with mine.

I have a list here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000019.html

I wholeheartedly concur with point 1; I haven't specifically checked points 2 and 3 (although Venus/Pluto comes up quite often, now that I think about it) but I will, very interesting!

Sun Pluto, or luminaries/Pluto?

Also, how many charts, roughly?

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Gabby
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posted July 28, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!! Welcome VL!!
I looked back and found I have all of them except for Pluto/Venus....for me, it's Pluto/Moon I keep seeing over n over.

My Venus never really gets hit very hard in synastry with ppl that mean the most to me, but our comp always has a conjuction to my Venus. Hmmmmm.....
I did notice I seem to like the 165 degree touching my Venus in some way. love those taurus@5 or aries@5

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comdoc
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posted July 28, 2015 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two greatest loves of my life: both had Vertex conjunct my Neptune (ruler of 8H)!

1. Her Sag Sun trine my Leo Saturn. Her Sag Sun trine my Leo Pluto sextile my Gemini Venus; my Aries Sun trine her Leo Pluto. No NN/Vertex.

2. No Sun/Saturn. My Aries Sun oppose her Libra Pluto. My Taurus NN quincunx her Libra Vertex.

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Originally posted by VestasLight:
I've been studying astrology for nearly 19 yrs. And I've been reading these forums for at least 3 yrs now, but haven't really posted until today. I thought it was time to make a small contribution.

While this is by NO MEANS an official study, I just happened to come across a little formula over the years that seems to indicate a significant relationship. (This includes friendships and romantic partnerships.) These are relationships that had a great impact on each other, or ones that you will remember 20 years down the road. They weren't necessarily long lasting, but they definitely were significant in some way.

I call it "The Magic Trio"...

Saturn and either Sun or Moon: any aspect, including minors, within 5 degrees.
Pluto and either Sun or Venus (but often times both)
Nodes - Vx: any aspect within 5 degrees or so but most often it was a Trine or Square. (Note: this one seemed to be the critical deciding factor)

It is present in about 98% of the charts. So, I am curious what you guys find if you take a peek through your charts? Are you finding this too?


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mereiposa
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posted July 28, 2015 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mereiposa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

In my marriage, we had my saturn semisextile his moon, his saturn binovile my sun, my pluto-his venus trine, his pluto sextile my sun and conjunct my mars, but nothing for node vertex. It lasted 12 years.

My first relationship post divorce, we had his saturn binovile my sun, my pluto sextile his moon, his pluto conjunct my mars, sextile my sun, and trine my moon, and nothing for node vertex.

In my friend who I consider a soul mate, though we are not able to be friends right now- her venus square my pluto, her pluto square my moon, her saturn sextile my sun and trine my moon, and maybe her node semi square my vertex- but widely.

my current and new love interest, my saturn square his moon, his saturn in conjunct my moon, my pluto sextile his sun and trine his mars, and our nodes are both square each other's vertices. I don;t know how long he will be in my life, likely not long, but it seems fated.

My ex-husband and first relationship guy are born two weeks apart, so many of the same placements. My current interest and my soulmate friend from above have the same birthday, just three years apart. I feel I must be repeating these patterns because I have a lesson to learn.

Interesting.

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posted July 28, 2015 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Checked my list of highly resonant soulmate birthdates, and found several have Aries 10 ASC + Libra Vertex conjunct my Neptune (ruler of my 8H)!!

16 August 1987
1 December 1991
30 July 1992
3 August 1992
2 August 1995
18 August 1995

As I wrote above, the two greatest loves of my life also have it!

The Vertex person is magically drawn to the Neptune person. The Vertex person easily “loses” herself in the Neptune person, and feels as though the Neptune person fulfills their innermost dreams and fantasies of the perfect mate. This is a highly spiritual, magnetic, and dreamy relationship.
http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!the-vertex-and-anti-vertex-in-synastry/c158o

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Aubyanne
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posted July 28, 2015 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome, VestasLight. (Nice name!) It's good to have you.

Well, that's an unusual combination of factors, but I'm all for research.

SUN opposite SATURN (5°)
SATURN square SUN (6°)*
MOON sesquisquare SATURN (1°)
SATURN quadrinovile MOON (0°)
PLUTO biseptile SUN (0°)
SUN semisextile PLUTO (0°)
PLUTO sextile VENUS (2°)
NODES square VERTICES (3°)
VERTICES semisextile / quincunx NODES (0°)

* OOO, but, hey.

Of the above, I'd have to say ... maybe the SUN opp SAT and VEN sextile PLUTO? I'm not a fan of too many minor aspects for application in major things.

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VestasLight
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posted July 28, 2015 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VestasLight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses It's interesting to read other people's findings! And as we all know, nothing is ever a certain thing with astrology.

@LeeLoo2014 - Great link, thanks! And I can't even begin to figure out how many charts. It's just become something that is so repetitive that, for the last 10 yr or so,it's what I look for in synastry. Near a 100 maybe? Rough guess.

@mereiposa - Wow, I'm shocked it isn't there for you too, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I agree you have a pattern you're working on this life time. Very cool to see that.

Thanks to everyone too!
Anyone else finding this? What about your friendship synastries?

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Aubyanne
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posted July 28, 2015 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think I'm a fan of SATURN conjunct MOON.

... Or maybe just not SATURN-SNODE-KARMA conjunct MOON.

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charlie
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posted July 29, 2015 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My SO and I have following (prominent) aspects:

Pluto to Mars, Asc, Sun
Vertex to Mars
Saturn to Saturn, Jupiter, Moon
Nodes to Vertex

All aspects are below 4 degrees.

To specify:

My Saturn sq his Moon, Saturn.
His Saturn conj my Jupiter, SN, MC
My Saturn conj his SN
His Saturn sextile my Venus
My NN sq his NN
His NN conj my Vertex
His Pluto, Vertex (and DSC) conj my Mars, Asc
My Pluto conj his Sun, Mercury

An honorable mention should go to my DSC and POF is conj his Venus and ASC.

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Vajra
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posted July 29, 2015 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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thegrinning_cat
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posted July 29, 2015 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegrinning_cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow….I have all three with my loved one right now.

Saturn square Moon ->

you are really forced to revisit your own defense mechanisms and learn a great deal about what intimacy really means….exactly because the longing is so strong and it suddenly gets to your conciousness what your are lacking. There is also a compulsion to control the emotional expression of the partner - but by hurting and failing that, you really learn you have to let go, appreciate and support.
It creates a strong karmic bond, the tension for me plays out even more than with Sun/Saturn hard aspects, because Moon/Saturn are opposites by nature….and in a way made to learn from one another.

Pluto/Venus ->

having it in a Double Whammy, one trine and one sextile.
A very good aspect in my experience, creates the passion you need to be deeply in love and wishing to be transformed by these feelings

Pluto/Sun ->

having a trine, can feel a little frightening because the two energies are so strong for themselves….might be too stressful in hard aspects and could create anger

North Node opposite Vertex or conjunct Anti-Vertex ->

the relationship feels extremly fated and offers a strong possibility for self transformation in an intimate way


I would agree that these aspects don't tell anything about the length of the relationship and transformation is always out of the comfort zone……Sometimes I curse everything and wish I could just leave it and have my peace again.
But I can't because I have the feeling it's important to stay for there is so much I can receive, knowlegde about my self and my emotions…..

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Liliya
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posted July 29, 2015 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your post.

Here are mine and my hubbies placements, based on the 3 points you've mentioned:

1) My Saturn conj his Sun (3)
His Saturn semi-square my Moon(0)

2) My Pluto conj his Sun (1)
His Pluto sextile my Sun (1)

Pluto semi-square Venus DW (0-2)

3) We don't have any major NN-Vx, except for a 4 degree quincunx. I don't know if it counts. You said "any aspects within 5 degrees", so I guess we can stretch it haha


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Extra NN and Vertex (tight) aspects, if it will be helful to your research, we also have:

his Anti-Vertex conjunct my Moon, IC and Jupiter

My Vertex sextile his Venus

His NN conjunct my Mars, square Saturn, square Pluto, trine Moon, trine Jupiter, sextile IC.

My NN trine his Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Pluto and MC, opposite Neptune.

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yungang_grotto
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posted July 29, 2015 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have

1) His Saturn conjunct my ascendant (and our ascendants conjunct)... saturn sextile saturn

2) Venus conjunct Pluto 10 degrees orb
Pluto quintile Moon less than 1 degree
Pluto trine Moon 4 20 orb

3) Vertex square Nodes under 1 degree

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posted July 29, 2015 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
two important relationships, synastry

I
venus pluto conjunct
Moon saturn square
vertex uranus conjunct

II
pluto moon square pluto-venus trine exact in composite
saturn moon trine each other charts
jupiter (ruler of moon) conjunct north node

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YellowGerbera
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posted July 29, 2015 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just checked the synastry with my Man.. Looks like we got the trios going on!

- His Saturn squares my Sun (0 deg) and Moon (1 deg)
- My Saturn trines his Moon (0 deg)

- His Pluto trines my Sun (5 deg)

- His Vx trines my North Node (3 deg)
- My Vx squares his North Node (too wide tho.. 8 deg)

If I include the 8H rulers...

- My Vx conjuncts his 8H ruler, Moon (2 deg)
- His Sun and Moon trines my 8H ruler, Venus (4 deg)

I hope your formula means something because we both feel we are each other's perfect and ideal partners We met through a mutual friend and inseparable since! It's only been 2 months but we are moving on fast and already official! It could be that we are enjoying our honeymoon phase but I fall in love with him deeper everyday. It's scary how much we love each other already...

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posted July 29, 2015 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
... Venus conjunct Pluto 10 degrees orb

Okay, so. Yun. It's pretty much a consensus that a 10° conjunction (really, nothing beyond 6° or so) is felt between VENUS and PLUTO. And I am inclined to agree.

However ...

I swear to you that I not only feel his PLUTO conjunct my VENUS (9°), but powerfully. This is actually quite bothersome; I can't locate the cause. There's no parallel. It can't be accounted for in another system. It's just and merely his PLUTO 9° conjunct my VENUS.

Lately, however, I came to hypothesise the following:

I might have mentioned my VENUS is 12H; and all the expected traits apply: reclusive lonerdom with a propensity for contemplative serenity and reflection over the usual Venusian pursuits. Now, it's just below the horizon, by a touch under 2°. Were his PLUTO much nearer, it'd be in it. Chillin' with Venus. 'Read any good books lately? Queen to Rook 5.'

Exhilarating stuff. (Well, I happen to find it quite charming, but, hello! 12H Virgo VENUS!)

But it isn't there. It's just enough away from there to be 8° past the horizon, in my 1H. I'd have to say his PLUTO in Virgo is an astonishingly noticeable part of him; namely by me, but in general -- it's quite there. (Hmmm. He does have his chartruler parallel PLUTO; aha! Funny, as I have PLUTO parallel the ASC.) So, yes, it's there.

But is that enough?

Well, I've gotta say ... 12H planets are a bit Arthur Dent-ish. They're very to themselves, going about their business, managing pleasantly on their own.

What if big, powerful influence comes in through the 1H -- and is still in orb of the 12H? Isn't that a bit like Ford Prefect going on about the world ending and what-not? Wouldn't it kinda mean big -- but not necessarily unpleasant -- things?

It's just my musing. I'm still trying to find why on earth I feel it so damned strong.

What's the story with yours? Also, we've got a dual-aspect, with my PLUTO sextile his VENUS (2°). That's gotta help some.

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posted July 30, 2015 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic!
The strongest pull I've ever felt in my life is for a man I've had a crush on for 3 years. I recently found out that he feels the same, and yet there is still something that holds us back from being together. Even if things never become official for us, I know that this is a connection that will never fade.

My planets first
Moon square Saturn (exact)
Moon trine Pluto (exact)
Venus semi-sextile Pluto (exact)
Saturn square Sun (3)
Pluto conjunct Venus (3)

We both have Sun conjunct Pluto Natally, and in Composite (0)

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posted July 30, 2015 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
Wow….I have all three with my loved one right now.

Saturn square Moon ->

you are really forced to revisit your own defense mechanisms and learn a great deal about what intimacy really means….exactly because the longing is so strong and it suddenly gets to your conciousness what your are lacking. There is also a compulsion to control the emotional expression of the partner - but by hurting and failing that, you really learn you have to let go, appreciate and support.
It creates a strong karmic bond, the tension for me plays out even more than with Sun/Saturn hard aspects, because Moon/Saturn are opposites by nature….and in a way made to learn from one another.


Couldn't agree more,
In my case, I just hope he finally lets go.

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posted July 30, 2015 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Liliya:

his Anti-Vertex conjunct my Moon, IC and Jupiter


how do you feel this? Or him rather?

Very significant connection with someone that I have already spanned many lifetimes with I'm sure.

My moon conj his moon 1* (thought this was relevant)
My saturn conj his moon 3*
My saturn trine his sun 0*
My moon sesqiquadrate his saturn 2*
My moon/mars/saturn conj his SN (within 3*)
His pluto biquintile my sun 0*
His pluto quintile my moon 1*
His pluto conj my ASC 0*
My pluto parallel his sun/venus 0.5
My pluto quintile his VX 0*
My pluto semisquare his sun 0*
My VX sextile his MC 0*
My saturn trine his VX 0*
My moon trine his VX 4*
His Antivertex parallels my sun/venus/mercury/jupiter
My NN square his vertex 5*
His NN semiaquare my vertex 1*

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posted August 02, 2015 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VestasLight:
I've been studying astrology for nearly 19 yrs. And I've been reading these forums for at least 3 yrs now, but haven't really posted until today. I thought it was time to make a small contribution.

While this is by NO MEANS an official study, I just happened to come across a little formula over the years that seems to indicate a significant relationship. (This includes friendships and romantic partnerships.) These are relationships that had a great impact on each other, or ones that you will remember 20 years down the road. They weren't necessarily long lasting, but they definitely were significant in some way.

I call it "The Magic Trio"...

Saturn and either Sun or Moon: any aspect, including minors, within 5 degrees.
Pluto and either Sun or Venus (but often times both)
Nodes - Vx: any aspect within 5 degrees or so but most often it was a Trine or Square. (Note: this one seemed to be the critical deciding factor)

It is present in about 98% of the charts. So, I am curious what you guys find if you take a peek through your charts? Are you finding this too?


Adding to your research

The Magic Trio

Saturn and either Sun or Moon: any aspect, including minors, within 5 degrees.

Pluto and either Sun or Venus (but often times both)

Nodes - Vx: any aspect within 5 degrees or so but most often it was a Trine or Square. (Note: this one seemed to be the critical deciding factor


my parents (almost 50 years of love)

1.Moon/Saturn DW (trine and sextile)
2. Venus/Pluto DW (trine and sesquis)
Sun/Pluto DW (opp and semisq)
3. no Vx NN but significant Vx aspects to planets and angles

friendships (20y or over): some have all 3, some don't

two very significant, life changing relationships

1. Sun/Saturn DW sextile
Moon/Saturn DW - Q and semisextile
2. Venus/Pluto DW - semisextile and novile
3. NN opp Vertex

1. Sun/Saturn DW - quincunx and semisextile
Moon/Saturn DW - opp and trine

2. Venus/Pluto DW - conj and trine
3. vertex conj, no NN/Vertex


my first bf/love

1. Sun trine Saturn, Moon sq Saturn
2. Venus opp Pluto, Sun opp Pluto
3. Vertex/NN DW - opp and trine

my ex

1. Sun/Saturn DW - sextile and opp
Moon semisextile Saturn

2. Venus/Pluto DW - trine and semisextile

3. no Vertex/NN, but significant Vertex to angles and planets

current synastry

1. Sun/Saturn DW - sq and trine
Moon/Saturn DW - semisq and trine

2. Venus/Pluto DW, trine and semisextile

Sun quindecile Pluto DW, one is 165, the other 15 deg. ( a quindecile Yod)

3. NN trine Vertex(1)

To be honest, I've been doing astrology for quite some time myself, but I haven't noticed Sun/Pluto to be significant, it can be a challenging aspect. Venus/Pluto, yes

NOTE: in the end , it depends on the relationship theme one has in their natal. If Pluto/Sun is needed in relationships, it will be there.


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