posted August 19, 2015 06:12 PM              

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posted August 19, 2015 06:14 PM              

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
That's not true at all.

Me and my ex bf share this and he is a Sagittarius25 sun and I am Cancer Sun at 8 Cancer and we share the Composite Sun opp Venus under 3 orb.

Have you ever experienced this Leeloo? If not then I wouldn't go so far as if knowing what you say is fact.

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Because you are on the opposite side! Not in opposition, but opposing, in quincunx. That's why the opposition happens.

posted August 19, 2015 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Athene, Sun/Venus is a lovely aspect, both in synastry and composite. It is not on my list of important markers though, because it is not exactly a romantic aspect, IME, mostly platonic, showing liking each other. It is very common in friendships for instance, but not so common in romance and marriage. That would be Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars, as basic pairs, among many other factors.

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posted August 19, 2015 06:19 PM              

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posted August 19, 2015 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Athene, the SUN, MERCURY, and VENUS are all close to each other in the natals themselves. That only increases the possibility of having a SUN-VENUS conjunction in the composite. (Or opposition, by the way. A midpoint's just basically an axis. The midpoint between 0° Cap and 0° Cancer can technically go either way -- 0° Aries or Libra. That's why the SUN/VENUS opposition has the same meaning as the conjunction.)

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posted August 19, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I know but that is so general. And I'm talking a close conjunction here.

Anyway in my experience Sun conjunct Venus/opposite Venus is a really great aspect for a couple and it is mostly aspecting outer planets too. So it's not just sitting there alone.

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Yes, when it's in close conjunction with another benefic -- that's a really lovely condition. Perhaps it isn't romantic, but it certainly can be. Especially if the very nature of 'romance' is the classical sense: that which is fanciful, friendly, loving, and even oriented towards faerie-tales and magic.

While I'm certainly stretching here, the story created on 4 July 1862 along the River Isis, improvised by Charles Dodgson (published at Lewis Carroll) was referred to as 'an extempore romance'. I have a lot of fun twisting those words in my own project quite a bit. But here it refers to the origins of 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' as a kind of faerie-tale, a fantasy story, made-up on the fly. An extempore romance.

We've come to attribute sexual currency to exchanges of emotional bonding as 'romantic relations'. But it's interesting how romance was initially fantasy -- or involving those features. But it isn't without reason.

The Romantic troubadour only adored his beloved from afar, who acted as a certain muse for his art. A very Neptunian vibe; the relationship could never be realised in the traditional sense, as it contained an elevated element -- and thus retained what was truly platonic -- as in the works of Plato.

posted August 19, 2015 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Anyone?

I've noticed MOST relationships that are significant and come together have sun CONJUNCT venus in there composite.

Including both of my brothers with there wives and my parents married over 40 years have COMPOSITE SUN CONJUNCT VENUS.

But is there any succesfful marriages without this aspect?

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Sorry. Married 16 years. Sun conjunct Venus in composite.

posted August 19, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think Sun conjunct Venus or opposite Venus in a composite chart is very fortunate to have and means the two people truly and unconditionally love each other. I think it's a very high vibration type of love that is hard to find. Two people can marry without it but it doesn't mean it's the best love you can find.

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It's actually pretty common to have sun-Venus in composite, and it doesn't always mean love, or last.

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posted August 19, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Yes, we're not currently together but we've been married for 24 yrs.

Sun 25 Sag
Venus 4 Cap
Moon 28 leo

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Beautiful SUN-MOON trine of 3º! However, I'm ... that ... VENUS is 10º from the SUN. Are we really counting that as a conjunction?

posted August 19, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, MOST (great) relationships don't have that just some of them.

I have numerous examples. Giving the example of my parents, almost 50y of happy marriage and intense love and this is their composite.

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omg such great news for me!!! the reason why i said "most" was because i've stumbled so many marriages in my family including friends that are married have this including myself but so glad to hear from your research that the "sun conjunct venus" isn't a necessity to have in a composite with 2 wonderful happy individuals in loving marriage =) it helps me to understand that not every marriage or person wants/needs platonic love or like. I' m having a better understanding of this now.

i could see how you were talking about sun conjunct venus in a composite would be 'platonic' love between the individuals if the beautiful sun conjunct venus isn't afflicted or if both people aren't involved in the friendship/relationship. I' m definetely seeing the bigger picture now LeeLoo with this aspect i think this is great! will be looking over your parents composite. and yes the aspect CAN be romantic as you were saying and i also feel it depends on what the individual finds romantic in there natal. for instance I personally myself find having friendship/platonic love in ALL my relationships romantic and its almost necessity for me because i feel my venus in sag is very prominent in my natal and personally I'm not the lovey dovey clingy be with you everyday every second uuber sexual type of person, i really honestly enjoy friendship and intellectual converations and even traveling with my partner super romantic but that's just me (chart ruler in sag).

posted August 19, 2015 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
My husband and I.

Our cSUN is 0º conjunct my twin's KARMA, interestingly enough, as we're all so interconnected.

But my husband and I have a stellium of VENUS-SATURN-SUN and PSYCHE in 12H. The stellium does consist of VENUS, SATURN, and the SUN, but the conjunction is VENUS and SATURN, though wide at 4º -- and extremely wide -- if we're counting SUN and SATURN (8º).

But VENUS is 12º from the SUN. I just don't count that.

Curiously, VENUS is conjunct the SUN (1º) in my composite with my twin, and even with my karmic soulmate -- 4º.

It's 9º conjunct in my parents' composite. Hm. Not sure I'm really 'counting' that one, either.

I'd say that it may be often seen in composites with great longevity and love, but a lot of it may be due to probability, with VENUS never travelling too far from the SUN in a natal. 60º +/- 5º at most, I believe.

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posted August 20, 2015 12:47 AM            

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Whilst basic astronomy, we can't deny that there is a profundity to it, given the nature of the sharing aspects close to the same degree in distance, or near enough.

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A tight (preferably <3) Sun/Venus conjunction/opposition *IS* a blessing to have. I would choose it above any other resonance. Why? There's an unconditional vibe of love involved here which, in fact, says it all. Well, let's be honest; where do we all crave for deep down?
Johnny cash/June Carter, excellent example.

And I will cite again what I already did in 2011, from an interview with the great astrologers Jodie and Steven Forrest;

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TMA: That's a wonderful insight. Now, going back to composites, do you see Sun-Venus conjunctions in long-term relationships, and do you see that a lot?

JF: Very often.

SF: It's very common. In fact, it is one of many avenues where a statistical proof of astrology, which seems to be a holy grail for some people, would be fairly easily accomplished. Get a group of people who have been married or committed to each other for five years or more and do a statistical analysis of the presence of the Sun-Venus conjunction in the composite chart versus chance. I would stake my life on it that we would see a distinct Venus pattern because it emerges so often in the counseling room.

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This conjunction denotes pure forgiving and unconditional love without judgements.

posted August 20, 2015 01:36 AM              

However, also Yes, it IS a very nice aspect to have.

No, it is not the "Seal-the-deal" aspect, no single aspect ever is.

And no, it is not AUTOMATICALLY a "fall-in-love"aspect, though it can be that.
(what a fall-in-love-aspect is is more determined by the natal chart than any general marker, though I admit, Venus in aspect to the luminaries or angles is a much more likely bet than others)

But personally I would like to have Venus strongly and dynamically aspected in a romantic composite, but that includes aspects to Moon, Mars, angles, Vertex, nodal axis and outers as well.

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and no, it is not an "unconditional love" aspect, neither Sun nor Venus are unconditional planets naturally and they don´t become such in combination, for that something else must be added to the mix.
Though we probably would need to define "unconditional" first anyway.

posted August 20, 2015 01:42 AM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Beautiful SUN-MOON trine of 3º! However, I'm ... that ... VENUS is 10º from the SUN. Are we really counting that as a conjunction?

Also, I'm sorry to hear about your separation.

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posted August 20, 2015 01:43 AM            

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Yes - Sun/Venus in composite happens statistical more often because of Venus not moving far from sun.

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posted August 20, 2015 02:13 AM            

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and no, it is not an "unconditional love" aspect, neither Sun nor Venus are unconditional planets naturally and they don´t become such in combination, for that something else must be added to the mix.
Though we probably would need to define "unconditional" first anyway.

However it does denote attracting, sympathy and admiration

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posted August 20, 2015 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes - Sun/Venus in composite happens statistical more often because of Venus not moving far from sun.

However, also Yes, it IS a very nice aspect to have.

No, it is not the "Seal-the-deal" aspect, no single aspect ever is.

And no, it is not AUTOMATICALLY a "fall-in-love"aspect, though it can be that.
(what a fall-in-love-aspect is is more determined by the natal chart than any general marker, though I admit, Venus in aspect to the luminaries or angles is a much more likely bet than others)

But personally I would like to have Venus strongly and dynamically aspected in a romantic composite, but that includes aspects to Moon, Mars, angles, Vertex, nodal axis and outers as well.

EDIT
and no, it is not an "unconditional love" aspect, neither Sun nor Venus are unconditional planets naturally and they don´t become such in combination, for that something else must be added to the mix.
Though we probably would need to define "unconditional" first anyway.

However it does denote attracting, sympathy and admiration

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posted August 20, 2015 03:33 AM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
Anyone?

I've noticed MOST relationships that are significant and come together have sun CONJUNCT venus in there composite.

Including both of my brothers with there wives and my parents married over 40 years have COMPOSITE SUN CONJUNCT VENUS.

But is there any succesful marriages without this aspect?

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posted August 20, 2015 08:58 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:
But when that happens you almost can be assured of an enduring love, in whatever form.

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Not really. It's more of a "casual" aspect. In some instances, it can even play as superficial liking, or liking the looks of the person (in synastry). It gives what Ceri says: sympathy, appreciation and admiration. Perhaps I used the "unconditional" term wrongly, what I mean is that is it not a sexualized, intense aspect; it has a platonic vibe. That's what I meant by unconditional, but I think I used it wrongly. It's not an "enduring love" aspect per se. I've experienced many times with friends and lovers: it can even make you like a person first or be liked due to the Venusian charm infused in this contact, liking their looks, but when knowing the person better, this aspect doesn't hold for itself. As I said, I had this composite conjunction in the 7th with my ex and this is how it played, and I have had it with numerous friends: there is pleasant and tolerant friendship and liking (that's what I mean by unconditional too) and a social liking of the person, their charisma, their looks, their beauty. But that's about it. It's not "true love/enduring love" aspect.
Also, anyone can check it is not a major marker in long-term love relationships. It can be there, but often it isn't. It is very common in long-term friendship and business partnerships though.

The keyword for Sun/Venus is LIKING, not loving.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala