posted August 31, 2015 02:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:

My perfect relationship will be:
-We will be friends first.
-We wil see all our best and all the worst of ours too.
Its like "He saw all my failures and still want to be with me" then i will be 100% into the relationship.

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Same here ~ that's always been my thinking.*

I have Venus conjunct Neptune..that's sorta like 12H Venus? And Venus trine 12H Saturn.

posted August 31, 2015 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
In my opinion most of people are under a "neptune fog" in the beginning of a relationship.I mean,often times we only show our best traits right?because we want to please that one person and we want them to like us.Sometimes we dont even notice,its just happens.But with 12th house people that can be fatal cuz although we're not blind,we are DREAMERS.So I think the difference here is cuz we see these things with more intensity than the rest of people.When the reality hits us and we see that is not all about rainbows and flowers we can end up heart broken as much as you.

I know how it happens and how bad can be so i dont want to put expectations on people and as i said most definitely dont want them to put expectations on me.

My perfect relationship will be:
-We will be friends first.
-We wil see all our best and all the worst of ours too.
Its like "He saw all my failures and still want to be with me" then i will be 100% into the relationship.

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Do you always try to go slow n take your time? What sign is your Venus and does it square anything?

posted August 31, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you always try to go slow n take your time? What sign is your Venus and does it square anything?

This guy has libra Venus, only aspect is square Saturn 5 degrees.

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In the past no, but now im have more caution in love.

posted August 31, 2015 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
In the past no, but now im have more caution in love.

I have venus in pisces 9th house Gaby (my 12th ruler is venus) semi square neptune and uranus exact.Square pluto but it is 8 degrees and doesnt have any contact with saturn.

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Ok...thank you! So the Neptune/Venus energy with age slows down and learns to take it slow, eventually.
That makes sense...my 12th house moon has learned the same things with time. You can't protect yourself if you open up to quickly.

posted August 31, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Ok...thank you! So the Neptune/Venus energy with age slows down and learns to take it slow, eventually.
That makes sense...my 12th house moon has learned the same things with time. You can't protect yourself if you open up to quickly.

I've always related to this song regarding love..guess it could my 12th house Moon or my Pluto/Venus...
http://youtu.be/Ng4P6FWVdcE

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I think this kinda hits the nail on the head here. In the beginning of a love relationship most people are all dreamy about each other... In a whirlwind romance it may come as a sudden shock when our partner displays some undesirable trait. Now we're questioning everything, we freak out. In a slow courtship there's time to gradually get to know someone, both their positives and negatives. Over time, with lots of interaction, our image of the person becomes more and more realistic. Things are revealed gradually so it's not such a shock to the system.

posted August 31, 2015 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I think this kinda hits the nail on the head here. In the beginning of a love relationship most people are all dreamy about each other... In a whirlwind romance it may come as a sudden shock when our partner displays some undesirable trait. Now we're questioning everything, we freak out. In a slow courtship there's time to gradually get to know someone, both their positives and negatives. Over time, with lots of interaction, our image of the person becomes more and more realistic. Things are revealed gradually so it's not such a shock to the system.

With Venus in the 12th, I think there can be both high and low manifestations of it. The low side to me is someone who projects unrealistic expectations onto someone before they even know them, and then ditches a relationship at the slightest hint of imperfection. The high side of Venus in the 12th is somebody with compassion. Like they can see you flaws, but they accept you anyway, because they see their love and devotion to you as more important a few hiccups along the way. This type of approach takes time to develop though. There is a side to Pisces/12th house types that's very giving and tolerant... Some sense of discrimination is important though. It's good to be tolerant and accepting but at the same time if someone starts to take advantage of you in a harmful way you've got to put your foot down.

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posted August 31, 2015 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
I have my descendent hitting someone else 12th house.My NN of 7th conjunct his moon in 12th house.Dont know exactly what that means though.

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posted August 31, 2015 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
How did the relationship play out? Are you still in contact with them?

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posted August 31, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Its pretty new yet very lovely.Also feels like some kind of fated.I guess i can blame the NN/moon for that, cuz the rest of the chart isnt good.

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I hope all goes well for you both! ❤️💗💜

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Thanks for the song Gaby.Helped me to understand better the moon in 12th.

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It's been a deeply personal song to me for so many years. I'd never thought until now much it describes moon in 12th, really it describes any personal/love/emotional planets in 12th.

Just looked and found out Sting, who wrote this song, has libra Neptune exact conjunct his libra Moon on his IC.....exact on my Venus 💞!!

http://youtu.be/Ng4P6FWVdcE

Lyrics-
Sting "Be Still My Beating Heart"

Be still my beating heart
It would be better to be cool
It's not time to be open just yet
A lesson once learned is so hard to forget

Be still my beating heart
Or I'll be taken for a fool
It's not healthy to run at this pace
The blood runs so red to my face
I've been to every single book I know
To soothe the thoughts that plague me so

I sink like a stone that's been thrown in the ocean
My logic has drowned in a sea of emotion
Stop before you start
Be still my beating heart

Restore my broken dreams
They shattered like falling glass
I'm not ready to be broken just yet
A lesson once learned is so hard to forget

Be still my beating heart
You must learn to stand your ground
It's not healthy to run at this pace
The blood runs so red to my face
I've been to every single book I know
To soothe the thoughts that plague me so

Stop before you start
Be still my beating heart

Never to be wrong
Never to make promises that break
It's like singing in the wind
Or writing on the surface of a lake
And I wriggle like a fish caught on dry land
And I struggle to avoid any helping hand

posted August 31, 2015 10:53 PM            

Plus, with all the things I've done, I've already made it clear how much he means to me. He has the best part of me. Saturn and neptune energy, devotion and sacrifices. To me, nothing speaks of love more than those two things.

My venus conjunct his asc. I feel that he's perfect for me.

posted August 31, 2015 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I have 12th house cap venus. Lol I assure you my husband is very happy in love with me. With all his intensity, he needs/wants a lot. So if he's not happy, he'd make it known.

Plus, with all the things I've done, I've already made it clear how much he means to me. He has the best part of me. Saturn and neptune energy, devotion and sacrifices. To me, nothing speaks of love more than those two things.

My venus conjunct his asc. I feel that he's perfect for me.

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posted August 31, 2015 11:28 PM            

At the beginning, I had a rather hard time explaining it to my husband. He needed to know where he stood with me.

The best way I can describe it is that it's like a whirlpool full of everything. He's not the only thing in it. But he's the biggest thing that stands in the centre and has my attention. My mind, the dreamy part of me, is a kite, and he holds my string.

posted August 31, 2015 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
The thing is I'm in love with the idea of love, just as much as I'm in love with him. And hell I do fantasize, in my fantasies, there are all sort of things, real and delusional. Flowers, sun, rain, auroras and whatnot. And people. I realize that those who are more realistic may not see it the way I do.

At the beginning, I had a rather hard time explaining it to my husband. He needed to know where he stood with me.

The best way I can describe it is that it's like a whirlpool full of everything. He's not the only thing in it. But he's the biggest thing that stands in the centre and has my attention. My mind, the dreamy part of me, is a kite, and he holds my string.

Hah I made a painting about it. It's a bit too intimate to show, but yeah, I painted him in the middle, and swirling around him is a myriad of things - the whole world.

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posted August 31, 2015 11:49 PM            

We just don't belong here.

Part of us is "here", yes.
But we're never really "here". We just think we are.

posted September 01, 2015 12:04 AM            

Heh, this is one of the reasons why he's slightly obsessed with mapping my mind. A map, a manual would have been handy. Unfortunately I couldn't give him one. It was up to him to take the risk. My 12th house stellium of 5 planets fall into his 12th house. Lucky guy.

At the beginning, it was sort of blind trust on his part. To me, it was truly magnificent to see him diving in head first, without knowing how things might turn out for him. He dived, and for a while, lost in uncertainty. That was the sacrifice he made. It took a toll on him, he was used to facts and things one can see and touch. Fortunately as time went by, I delivered (venus conjunct saturn - backing up my words and promises with actions is a part of my loving way). Heh bet on the right horse, he did.

One of the things I used to tell him was that the many sides of me do not always want the same thing. I'm full of conflicts which somehow manage to work together. But I know for sure that all sides of me want him.

posted September 01, 2015 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
*Except with my husband, I just fell in love with him and married him.

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*squeal*

posted September 01, 2015 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
I have Rx Venus in Aquarius in the 12th house. After all this search in my life, I think we are more happy with people that have basic planets in the 12th house and/or might as well have Piscean traits (ex. Mars in the 12th house or Sun/Neptune conjunction). We need someone that can help us escape daily.

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posted September 01, 2015 03:22 PM            

What these creatures want is to yearn for love, not to be given love on a silver platter.

The only way to have their heart is by torturing them, then love them in an passive - aggressive way. Being slightly or more so unattainable works wonders with these subjects.

This is the only way it works.

posted September 01, 2015 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Venus in 12th is similar to Venus in Pisces

What these creatures want is to yearn for love, not to be given love on a silver platter.

The only way to have their heart is by torturing them, then love them in an passive - aggressive way. Being slightly or more so unattainable works wonders with these subjects.

This is the only way it works.

Loving them unconditionally with no fight, is never gonna work. They need to suffer for their love and being punished for it, too. Ohhh, the joy...

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