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Topic: Is it dangerous to get involved with Venus in 12th person? Can they be happy in love?
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Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 09:53 AM
  
I'm reading how they are never content always looking for something unrealistic or if they find someone they are fantasizing about other ppl?? Well...what is it like for the partner? Don't they end up heart broken?IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 10:08 AM
Are they any synastry aspects that might help them to see you as an ideal partner?
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Their Venus on your AC(their 12th)
Their Sun conjunct your Moon(your 12th)Is it pointless to fall in love with these ppl because no matter how much you love them they will not see you as the one that they want because what they are looking for is a fantasy? IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces
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posted August 31, 2015 10:21 AM
My 12th house ruler is venus,plus im a venus in pisces.And yeah i have some unrealistic expectations sometimes but i guess the key here is talk,talk and talk.
In my case Im always terrible scared of people putting me on pedestals.Im always thinking "Omg what if they not seeying me clearly?what if one day they see the real me and leave me?"kinda paranoid i know  but I absolutely hate illusions.
Most of time I sabotage my relationships.Then im the one whose leave them,not because i dont feel love but because im scared that one day they would leave me.Hope i helped you somehow. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted August 31, 2015 10:28 AM
You're right to a point.
However, I wouldn't purposely stay out of a relationship with them. They can be fine and content. I understand your concern for sure and don't blame you. But there's modifiers, some that you wouldn't necessarily know about.
Example, mine is Virgo (and other things in my chart help). It grounds it a bit and I am a fighter. I stick with a person until it CAN'T work. I'm invested in them.
The things you can't see. For one, I survived a nessus/Dejanira relationship. It sure changed me!
You have to watch for signs. Things like calling you "the one", especially early on. Things of that nature. Your Virgo moon in 12 should really help you to feel if they are grounded or not. If they get caught up in this dreamy love, especially soon, they may be victim to it with someone else later.
It's complex and I don't have a bunch of time right now. Basically, it's not really so black and white.  Virgo Venus, 12th IP: Logged |
erickaf
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posted August 31, 2015 10:39 AM
These poor folks break their own hearts. 12th house people are extremely secretive, and live in their own heads. They carry so many emotions that words can't express how they feel. I have always experienced that they seem more secretive, intense and emotional than scorpios.
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Empty Spaces
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posted August 31, 2015 10:49 AM
You bring the Asc/12th house..and I wonder..what if the descendent hits the12th house?IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 31, 2015 11:03 AM
They can be quite devotional, Gabby ------------------
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DopGang
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posted August 31, 2015 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
They can be quite devotional, Gabby
Thanks LeeLoo!
We can!
It's complex though. LOL Isn't everything really? IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
My 12th house ruler is venus,plus im a venus in pisces.And yeah i have some unrealistic expectations sometimes but i guess the key here is talk,talk and talk.
In my case Im always terrible scared of people putting me on pedestals.Im always thinking "Omg what if they not seeying me clearly?what if one day they see the real me and leave me?"kinda paranoid i know but I absolutely hate illusions.
Most of time I sabotage my relationships.Then im the one whose leave them,not because i dont feel love but because im scared that one day they would leave me.Hope i helped you somehow.
Wow! That's tough, for both ppl! Can you give me a clue how to prevent this? Do you tell the 12th house Venus person I love you even though your not perfect? IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
You're right to a point.
However, I wouldn't purposely stay out of a relationship with them. They can be fine and content. I understand your concern for sure and don't blame you. But there's modifiers, some that you wouldn't necessarily know about.
Example, mine is Virgo (and other things in my chart help). It grounds it a bit and I am a fighter. I stick with a person until it CAN'T work. I'm invested in them.
The things you can't see. For one, I survived a nessus/Dejanira relationship. It sure changed me!
You have to watch for signs. Things like calling you "the one", especially early on. Things of that nature. Your Virgo moon in 12 should really help you to feel if they are grounded or not. If they get caught up in this dreamy love, especially soon, they may be victim to it with someone else later.
It's complex and I don't have a bunch of time right now. Basically, it's not really so black and white. Virgo Venus, 12th
Oh your right if someone tries to fall in dreamy love with me....I'm like NO boy!! Slow down!!
I can't stand feeling ungrounded, I can't do it I get scared and back off.
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Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by erickaf:
These poor folks break their own hearts. 12th house people are extremely secretive, and live in their own heads. They carry so many emotions that words can't express how they feel. I have always experienced that they seem more secretive, intense and emotional than scorpios.
Why does that make me like them more? What you described makes my heart want to be there for them....ugh! Why am I attracted to that? Argh
I love ppl who trust issues it's endearing to me! Lol
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Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
You bring the Asc/12th house..and I wonder..what if the descendent hits the12th house?
We both have libra AC's, his libra@26/mine libra@7 His Venus is libra@7 on my AC in his 12th
We have his NN/Sun and my Moon conjunct in my 12th his 11th I'm not sure how DC in 12th house overlay would play out....maybe the 12th house person wouldn't feel that connection if they were not untouched with their 12th house or had no planets touching the others DC. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
They can be quite devotional, Gabby
Have you ever experienced a relationship like this? I'm wondering, because I know your like me and need to feel the person we love is totally in love with us. Them thinking of others and feeling or wondering if maybe the grass is greener somewhere else would break our hearts. We love so whole heartedly! Is this going to be case where they just cannot settle on one person and know that's where they want to be? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 31, 2015 12:26 PM
No, it is true I wasn't in a relationship with a 12th Venus. But I always have 12th synastry, due to my strong relationship with Caps and/or Neptunian people.I think Venus in 12th, like any Neptunian, needs fairy tale, magic and fantasy in their love life and life, too much mundane, too much reality makes them feel drained and lost. That's the catch, me thinks. Like you? I love you, Gabby!  Just playing on your words but it is true! ------------------
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Aubyanne
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posted August 31, 2015 12:37 PM
YES! We can. We absolutely can.But our relationships might be a bit unreal, or 'out of this world' in some way. Nothing mundane. I don't think I'd have it any other way, however.  IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted August 31, 2015 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by erickaf:
These poor folks break their own hearts. 12th house people are extremely secretive, and live in their own heads. They carry so many emotions that words can't express how they feel. I have always experienced that they seem more secretive, intense and emotional than scorpios.
Oh, definitely. The guy I know has a 12th house stellium.. In Scorpio. Good thing I can read his mind? 
Ah, no, but really, it can be frustrating.  IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted August 31, 2015 12:45 PM
I have Venus in 12th. I can relate to most to the stuff said aboveBut I think my moon in aries and my Mars in gemini has saved me from heartbreaks multiple times 
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Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
No, it is true I wasn't in a relationship with a 12th Venus. But I always have 12th synastry, due to my strong relationship with Caps and/or Neptunian people.I think Venus in 12th, like any Neptunian, needs fairy tale, magic and fantasy in their love life and life, too much mundane, too much reality makes them feel drained and lost. That's the catch, me thinks. Like you? I love you, Gabby! Just playing on your words but it is true!
Awe....are you not like me?? 😢 IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
YES! We can. We absolutely can.But our relationships might be a bit unreal, or 'out of this world' in some way. Nothing mundane. I don't think I'd have it any other way, however.
Do you think Moon in 12th and Pluto/Venus would have similar idealistic ways in love? I can be idealistic and want this fairy tell love but is it going to be complimentary? His libra Venus is exact on my AC and 2 degrees from my Pluto.
His Sun/NN on my Moon in 12th... IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
I have Venus in 12th. I can relate to most to the stuff said aboveBut I think my moon in aries and my Mars in gemini has saved me from heartbreaks multiple times
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So it depends on the natal
Hmmm...he has Moon in aries, Mars in gemini to. His gem Mars/Eros are conjunct my Mars in gemini. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 31, 2015 01:40 PM
Yes, Gabby, I am like you but first you wrote "you like me" ( or I saw that, forgive me if mistaken) and I wanted to play with that
I see it like this....you have a Virgo Moon in your 12th. You should be able to provide for the needs of 12th Venus, for Virgo Moon there is twice connected with 12th house energy: devotion and caring (Virgo) and 12th. At least a big side of you resonates and can provide for this energy, your nurturing side.While it is true that some people have more difficult charts for relationships, based on more than one marker, I don't believe and I'd say know for a fact based on examples no single placement is doom and gloom in love or anything. What matters is to find the match for that energy, the proper interaction between two charts. ------------------
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Empty Spaces
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posted August 31, 2015 02:05 PM
In my opinion most of people are under a "neptune fog" in the beginning of a relationship.I mean,often times we only show our best traits right?because we want to please that one person and we want them to like us.Sometimes we dont even notice,its just happens.But with 12th house people that can be fatal cuz although we're not blind,we are DREAMERS.So I think the difference here is cuz we see these things with more intensity than the rest of people.When the reality hits us and we see that is not all about rainbows and flowers we can end up heart broken as much as you.I know how it happens and how bad can be so i dont want to put expectations on people and as i said most definitely dont want them to put expectations on me. My perfect relationship will be:
-We will be friends first.
-We wil see all our best and all the worst of ours too.
Its like "He saw all my failures and still want to be with me" then i will be 100% into the relationship.
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Gabby
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posted August 31, 2015 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, Gabby, I am like you but first you wrote "you like me" ( or I saw that, forgive me if mistaken) and I wanted to play with that
I see it like this....you have a Virgo Moon in your 12th. You should be able to provide for the needs of 12th Venus, for Virgo Moon there is twice connected with 12th house energy: devotion and caring (Virgo) and 12th. At least a big side of you resonates and can provide for this energy, your nurturing side.While it is true that some people have more difficult charts for relationships, based on more than one marker, I don't believe and I'd say know for a fact based on examples no single placement is doom and gloom in love or anything. What matters is to find the match for that energy, the proper interaction between two charts.
That makes perfect sense LeeLoo!! Ive wondered if my moon in 12th is likeVenus in some ways. It's certainly a fearful moon for falling in love. Sorry I didn't catch my mistake! Lol
I'm terrible with typos when I'm on my phone.. I can't see my post to go edit stuff n my phone is terrible, auto correct letter getting stuck...Ugh!! I love you to LeeLoo!! 💞💕💓 IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted August 31, 2015 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmm...he has Moon in aries, Mars in gemini to. His gem Mars/Eros are conjunct my Mars in gemini.
okay then, he's like me Dreamy dreamy about a guy äh girl...maybe for a long time (if any) and then he'd turn around and walks away (now and forever).
But you know it depends on his synastry with you. Maybe you'll feed his need for romantic? IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces
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posted August 31, 2015 02:13 PM
I have my descendent hitting someone else 12th house.My NN of 7th conjunct his moon in 12th house.Dont know exactly what that means though.IP: Logged |
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