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Aubyanne
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posted September 04, 2015 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Though he hasn't the justification of being 900 or an alien, a good two-decades' celibacy was enough of an indicator of his asexuality. My own is variable; these days, emotionally and psychologically-driven, and often geared towards helping him feel more human -- which he very much wants as part of our sexual relationship, and has stated explicitly.

In the beginning, we were both merely resolute; neither of us really found sex to be worth the prioritising most give to it, so we were simply resolved to become adequately experienced in its execution, figuring the rest would just ... happen on its own. While that didn't actually transpire until much, much later, it's rather lightning-in-a-bottle rather than anything reliable.

But we discovered how certain activities along the intimacy spectrum -- sensual relating, actual sexual intercourse, and so on -- affect brain chemistry, and can 'assist' each other, when needed, in these ways.

... Usually.

Curiously, after the best actual sexual experience we'd had to date, he wasn't rocking the oxytocin-dopamine cocktail that's been acquired in prior experiences (which didn't even resolve in actual intercourse). Instead, it was very compartmentalised. I could very much tell that he had enjoyed himself in the moment -- something we'd been striving to achieve for years. Just yesterday, we both recounted it together, admitting it was really incredible. He'd been in 'that mode' since right after, however -- and that was Sunday afternoon.

Immediately, despite the undeniable passion of the experience, the fact that we were both extremely spent (in a very satisfying way, I'll add) even breathless and perspiring, within minutes, (if that) he'd reconstituted what we've all occasionally referred to as 'his Whovian wall' -- this skilled caricature of himself, which is both polite and projecting an image of warmth, while his deeper emotions have been firmly locked away, and there's an undeniable coldness to it.

Prior to his being introduced to, and becoming a fast fan, of the show, he thought of himself as quite Spockish -- that careful combination of human and Vulcan. But his gregarious theatricality, impassioned curiosity for things -- concepts and ideas -- was missing from the overall personality portrait. The 'cool warmth' or personable distance. But then he wouldn't have found much kinship with the classic Doctors. He's always been much more similar to the latter ones -- especially the Tenth, for any fellow Whovians reading. Anyone familiar with Tennant's performance in the series will grasp what I mean by distant but personable, with moments of gregarious theatricality. That's him in a nutshell.

He obviously constructs (and reconstructs) the wall for his own reasons, of which he may not even be keenly aware. Much more of his 'sexual' history has emerged over time, the closer we've grown. It's rather sparse, indeed. The 'obligatory' college relationship, in which he lost his virginity with a girl he'd been dating his senior year. (Though, the more that's known, I can see how it hardly fit the conventional 'dating' profile, and they were likely friends with benefits, so as to not rouse his issues with intimacy.) And a single encounter with a woman who'd been indicating her desire for it after, oh, three months. She immediately begun to cling, demanding a relationship. He was clear in his intentions being far from it -- and apologetic for the lack of clarity. Though he'd been in his latter 20s then, and had a bit more libido to speak of (but not much), he quickly determined that sexual relations weren't worth the hassle of the social dynamics involved: misconstruction, confusion, hidden expectations and outright deception and mind-games ... definitely not for him.

So, he 'dated' a bit in his late 30s, when the occasional actress he met on set was more than a pretty face -- though the relationships were purely platonic, mostly consisting of dinner, shows, and other outings. I feel his naïveté and lack of drive led to one in particular taking clear advantage of him, actually. Downright pulling the 'oh, him? Oh, we're just friends,' when another actor she apparently found suitable with which to be 'more than friends' came onto the scene. He was even in earshot! (Hence, how he knows exactly what was said.) If that woman and I ever happen to cross paths ... I suppose I'll have to suppress a terrible temptation to be uncharacteristically admiring of his many wonderful traits. I'm sure he'd understand it in that moment.

And ... then there's me. I don't doubt or question his characterisation of our meeting being a 'love-at-first-sight' feeling, which he'd never experienced before. He never gave mixed signals, either; he was simply honest as he could be while being polite and respectful of my engagement. But some of it was clear bark, with playful rather than solid bite. Our banter was nothing short of crackling, back in those days. Still happens sometimes.

He's just very obviously asexual, meaning there's great variability in his own profile. And, hey -- I get that perfectly, being an ace myself. This being, really, his first legitimate relationship, he's bound to flounder at times, unsure of what he's feeling, or how to express it. The reality may be, on top of his limited libido, that he requires quite a bit of 'processing time' in the wake of a deeply intimate experience as well. Perhaps, the more egodystonic the behaviour (think: uncharacteristic, unlikely to be called to mind when thinking of or considering oneself; the sorts of things where, were news of it got out, it might be immediately disregarded as untrue, being so unlikely) the more processing time is required, which automatically requires introverting and introspecting. Something that's easy to forget, with his grandly philosophising and eternally optimistic Sag rising, and improvisationally daring Aries MOON.

He is, after all, an 8H Cancer SUN. When there's been a fundamental change perceived, in some manner, he's liable to rope himself off for a bit and consider the way he feels about it, yeah? Had he found it untenable, and something which he couldn't integrate, he wouldn't be saying he would be ready for more -- emotionally and psychologically speaking -- in a few days, effectively being a week later. Which is the sort of thing I've never heard from a sexual man. Especially after deeply fulfilling sex with his girlfriend. But it may be that he really is very much like me; I don't need much but one deeply fulfilling experience, which then requires days of processing, and (hopefully) results in being elevated to 'very fond memory' status, for which I'm always grateful, and can recall happily.

And so, that does bring in the greater context of the relationship itself. Such is likely standard operating procedure for Uranians -- in this case, an asexual couple that's actually deeply in love with one another. We just get tripped up, I think, in trying to 'fit' the 'conventional' model -- which we clearly aren't. We can play at it, from time to time, but we'll eventually return to a more authentic expression. And, perhaps our 'game-changing' experiences, where a deeper intimacy is reached, will require a bit of subsequent distancing to reflect and consider how it fits into the context of the greater relationship.

He seems to spontaneously declare the depth of his being in love with me at times when I'm showing tremendous mental power -- rather than any amount of skin. He may be more sapiosexual than anything after all. Hmmmmm. I'm down with that!

And so, it may simply be that our strong Uranian synastry (and composite) denotes an unreliability in the sexuality department, with an undeniable detachment despite our deep attachment to one another. A paradox, indeed.

Here's our 'sexual synastry' for comparative purposes:

... and the natals and composite, for those who like degrees (of which I'm definitely one).

Any thoughts? Or should I be considering the progressed synastry a bit more in this case? Some things I feel are at the natal level, always, and merely supported or lessened by progressions.

Speaking of ... I can't deny my pVENUS at 2º applying conjunction to his MARS .... Over time, that's bound to be a rather impressive fireworks display, what with my PLUTO in the mix.

Or most of it might really be sublimated into our work on set, with our 'Uranianness' continuing behind the scenes, exhibiting a very different model for a romantic relationship.

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posted September 04, 2015 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The degree of your willingness to share the intimate details of your life makes me uncomfortable sometimes, tbh. I guess it's your 3rd house and the IC ruler in the 1st.

Btw, you and I have a Node-Vertex DW. Our ASCs at the same degree are cool too.

Don't wanna make it all about me but maybe you'll find this interesting. The man I feel very drawn to has your Spock's ASC-DSC angle but reversed, 6 Gemini if estimated it well. Also, their Moons are conjunct and they share Mars in the 11th + some aspects, not identical though.

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posted September 04, 2015 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's part of my cosmic 'agreement', it would seem. Think of it this way: I put it out there for the benefit (or education) of others -- before it can find its way out there. Follow me?

So it's undoubtedly part of my purpose here. I used to be very shy about my personal involvement in sexuality. But that was before I became an educator and therapist. Since I've become an authority on the matter, it's almost an unspoken understanding that I'll be forthcoming.

I've been far too private for far too long. It didn't do much for me, to be honest. Held me back in some ways. I'm much happier being more liberated.

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posted September 04, 2015 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having spent 14 years with a Cancer Sun/Mercury, Aries Moon, I am baffled by this man's lack of emotional displays. Especially with his 8th house placements and Sagittarius rising. I would think that he would be quite emotional, and find it difficult to be so self contained. I've always had the feeling that he seems too calculated, and I doubt that anyone truly knows him. I'm curious, have you ever been to his house?

My ex is a like a boy scout. Even his closest family members aren't familiar with his dark side. It's not pretty. A couple times I thought I might need to call an exorcist.

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posted September 04, 2015 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...enjoy your exhibitionism then I'm going in the opposite direction. The older I get the more private/secretive I become.

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posted September 04, 2015 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like the Sun-Venus DW

Your Neptune trines His Venus-Saturn trine though the combination is pleasant with the trine, I assume it would block real intimacy with mere fantasy (?) Plus adding his Mars sextile your Neptune to the mix could be like a piece of Art where you can look, but can't touch kind of scenario.

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posted September 04, 2015 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Btw, you and I have a Node-Vertex DW. Our ASCs at the same degree are cool too.

Don't wanna make it all about me but maybe you'll find this interesting. The man I feel very drawn to has your Spock's ASC-DSC angle but reversed, 6 Gemini if estimated it well. Also, their Moons are conjunct and they share Mars in the 11th + some aspects, not identical though.


That IS fascinating! Wow. 10° Virgo rising, (another one!) What degrees are your NODES and VERTICES?

That's also wild about his MOON being in your 8H, too. That's definitely a powerful placement.

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posted September 04, 2015 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Well...enjoy your exhibitionism then I'm going in the opposite direction. The older I get the more private/secretive I become.

I went in that direction (reserved, uber private, very clear distinction between public and private persona) pretty much since birth up until my mid-thirties, and then ... something changed. You never know. Plus, you said you're also a 10º Virgo rising? That tURA is going through your 8H, too, in that case, with tPLUTO through the 5H. Don't underestimate their transformative capacity.

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posted September 05, 2015 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bluejay:
Having spent 14 years with a Cancer Sun/Mercury, Aries Moon, I am baffled by this man's lack of emotional displays. Especially with his 8th house placements and Sagittarius rising. I would think that he would be quite emotional, and find it difficult to be so self contained. I've always had the feeling that he seems too calculated, and I doubt that anyone truly knows him. I'm curious, have you ever been to his house?

My ex is a like a boy scout. Even his closest family members aren't familiar with his dark side. It's not pretty. A couple times I thought I might need to call an exorcist.


Okay, just to clarify, are you speaking of your ex in the first paragraph, or asking specifically regarding my boyfriend? I can't deny that he's quite reclusive; beneath his public persona he's definitely deeply private, and ... well, he seems mysterious. And I respectively keep his mystery.

I know that he does have a dark side, but he has it so deeply chained down, it would appear as if his shadow is still wearing a white hat -- as I've said a few times. Frankly, he himself is terrified of its capacity -- and we're both coming to see exactly why, but safely, through focussed discussion in a targetted, but not threatening, manner. As a result, he banished it -- with the rest of his shadow, and so many emotions -- long, long ago, to the recesses of his psyche. Plenty has been excavated, but much remains deeply buried. I figure it's the sort of thing that will be continuously undertaken slowly, carefully, over time.

I think I felt it, channelled, the last time we were together -- if that makes any sense at all. A deep, powerful, and unspoken sort of thing. It's a psychic feeling, at the core of my being. The moment, I think, I was no longer fearful of all that he is. Something had been left behind -- finally. Found to be vestigial, and no longer needed in the here and now. Once it was gone, I felt we were free of it. So much we were running from, but didn't fully understand, as so much of it can't be truly articulated. He's almost shamanic, in that capacity. It's all profound catharsis as opposed to anger and rage. And never -- thankfully -- directed at me. Do we perform exorcisms in the regular course of our lovemaking? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. After all, our mutual fascination with le petit mort seems to be unearthing bits of the human psyche not oft-traversed. Rather pleased about our most recent excursions, in this regard.

But then we don't play emotional games or try and 'psych' each other out. We'd both lose -- and we know it. In more ways than one. The former psychological operator and the ex-profiler? Only one way that particular story ends -- unpleasantly. Thank God we're both 'the good guys'. Romance is no place for psychological warfare.

... Wow. That got dark. Sorry! Happens sometimes.

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posted September 05, 2015 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not having read all of your post yet, not going into astrology beyond my comment, will throw in a potentially Uranian or "Aquarius DC" Whovian counterstory. SPOILERS for early S3 (I think) of new Who.

However much it's lambasted by many people, you may remember the episode where the leader of the Cult of Skaro, Dalek Sec, becomes a human-Dalek hybrid (through his own design even) and discovers there is a whole lot more to having a humanoid shaped body and physicality and human emotions than he'd thought. "Evolution of the Daleks" indeed.

Cue me seeing it some 5(?) years after its 2007 premiere on TV. Cue me going O.O and OMG, I LOVE you. Hi, Aquarian DC. O hai, having ALWAYS loved alien figures in scifi. Hi, usual weirdness. No, really. Even to this day I can't think of a character that I'd find as utterly fascinating as human hybrid Sec and all the potential he had. I will gush over his magnificence and all the things he was and could have been to no end if you get me started. And yes, possibly typically, the "redemption from 'evil' (one point of view of it at least)" arc or side is another thing liked. That he happens to have a couple of tentacle-type things sticking out from the sides of his face and is outwardly a little unusual-looking? Eh, whatev. Gorgeous, if you move in outer space circles as it is.

Unfortunately he still doesn't quite encompass everything I'd want from a man, so I can't just look for an equivalent out there - but dang if he didn't seem to come closer than most in a completely weird fashion. The striving for something more or something better, whether it'd be the Dalek or something in him specifically, even if genetically engineered for his position or whatever, the way he looked beyond even when fully Dalek; Jesus, you don't get things like that even in regular humans most of the time? Immense beauty in the character and his many traits in so many ways, even the anger over the betrayal working in his case, and so much potential in him that my gushing over him overflows every time. This being the SHORT version, not going into half the things liked, admired or appreciated. All the scientific knowledge or sides included.

So... Uranus may be weird, or Aquarius preferences, or whatever. With a Valentine conjunct the Great Attractor and Lust conjunct the Galactic Centre, Mr. Spock asteroid conjunct my Eros, what else am I going to like other than aliens? Uranus trine Moon (and antiscia each other), Uranus sextile Sun.

Doctor Who (or more correctly before I get shouted at by fans, the Doctor) or Spock are quite normal likes for human sort, with their normal human appearances. Try being a human (or something...) who'd love to initiate a newly human alien into everything the experience entails. No, no need to keep it entirely clean at the back, dirty minds, but I also mean just the wonder of introducing someone to different foodstuffs as an entirely new thing, or the wonders of exploring all the emotions with someone by their side. I've said before I'm also fairly sure I'm the only person out there who's thought about the physicalities of a human-Dalek hybrid having a cold or mucuous problems, given the differences in facial structures, and more "Not overthinking this, no" examples.

Alas, know it's not entirely the best for either when it comes to ultimate compatibility, but if I was going to run off to a distant planet with anyone, human!Sec would still be a frontrunner in the category for now. So much good (or appealing to me) about him I've never seen a character as interesting anywhere over time. And what was he on screen, half an hour tops of the 45-ish minutes of the episode? 25 minutes enough to show so many appealing things that the initial "attraction" lasted two years straight, thinking through the sides of potential shown. *shrug*

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posted September 05, 2015 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keela,

And I just now am thinking about my VALENTINE on the Great Attractor; d'oh! Of-bloody-course!

As to the rest that you've said: wow. Nailed it. That's it. That's it in a nutshell. The crux of my earliest fiction; while my heroine is essentially learning the ropes of multidimensional living, she's in turn teaching the multidimensional being / time-traveller about the human experience by default.

No idea why that concept appealed so greatly to me as a youngster, but here I am with my very own 'imaginary friend come to life' -- so I must've done something right, yeah? Even if I can't help but beg the more obvious question sometimes: why? Why envision and dream of (literally) some-such figure at all? Especially one with specific features, colouration, and a very distinctive voice? Which kept recurring in my fiction (across three projects) until my early twenties? ... Weird. Just weird.

As he put it, it's a 'key in lock' situation; that the traits and unique set of features presented as a 'lock' in which someone, somewhere, would eventually have to be a key. I think he's selling himself short, though. I'd never met anyone even remotely like him. Just imagined it.

It's sad, but true. Humanity is so lacking in so many ways. It's that extraordinary drive and potential for more -- the need of more and better -- that attracts me most to my boyfriend. Bear in mind that I was hopelessly terrified after we'd met, and I couldn't ... believe what I was seeing, experiencing, and stumbling upon. Neither did my oldest friends, really, who were shaking their heads and pinching themselves quite a bit, too, with the underlying chorus beneath everyone's breath of: 'wait, you mean he's real?' I neglected to tell him how flabbergasting his entrance into my life actually was until very, very recently. But you can't watch much of Series Five without it at least becoming a bizarre, incredible elephant in the room. Which it had. Until I told him.

The straw for me was Amy's wedding dress. My wedding dress. That did it. Thought I'd recognised it during the season premiere, but didn't get a good look until its finale. Then, I was gobsmacked. The odds! I thought: okay, Universe. You win. Fine. You're right. I'll do it. I'll tell him ... the truth. Let the rest sort out, and him come to his own conclusions. And ... I did. And so did he. Worked out well, actually. He gets it, I think. On some level, he gets it. We're not normal. Nothing about us is typical. Trying to be conventional and fit a classic standard is an exercise in futility. We're better -- and happier! -- staying weird.

But it's that desire for more. Heh. I find his complicated feelings about humanity charming. Like chastising a beloved child. As if humankind just doesn't know any better and tries its best. He finds the human race as a whole endearing to him , but mostly impossible to relate to in any significant way -- and a tremendous challenge, regarding relationships -- making true empathy one of his biggest problems. Thankfully he's only ever truly lonely very rarely, and since me, that's not been an issue.

So, playing the alien personality card is almost mandatory with him. One of the first things my husband said was how we're two aliens, and he's the human man trying to help us get a hang of this while human thing. I think my boyfriend feels a similar endearment towards my husband as well, for this reason. He respects and appreciates him, but finds him otherwise impossible to truly grok.

At any rate, I grok what you're saying, Keela. And I feel you're right. Even if it's not Dalek Sec which enthralled me, I get why, and I certainly deeply admire -- even have come to require -- those sorts of traits in a man with whom I'm sharing intimacy. Naturally, I gave up on it, because who the hell is bloody like that? Well, my boyfriend, as it turns out. Heh!

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posted September 05, 2015 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was interesting synchronicity relating to the actor, too, though I understand he's happily married and it wasn't the Mr. Diagoras side that worked for me per se (so not about the actor, as opposed to the latex-covered alien creation with the slightly changed voice and everything). The actor Eric Loren however did turn out to be someone I'd seen live on stage in London, and briefly met or swapped a few words with after that by the stage door. It just took seeing the name in the credits of the first episode to jolt my memory and to start the mental search of where I knew the name from since I hadn't seen anything major listed for him on IMDB. Then a day later I saw the Evolution of the Daleks episode and "fell" for Sec. It's the only actor I've first seen on stage before (years and years later) seeing them on TV, not on TV or in the movies first before checking them out on stage.

He also turned out to be fascinating from a spiritual perspective, in that he seemed to BE spiritual, as discovered from this interview among other things. http://blog.sahajayogaradio.org/2010/09/eric-loren-soul-migration.html That some random actor I see/meet in passing in London years later turns out to play a character I find infinitely fascinating also has an album out called SOUL MIGRATION, of all things, singing about so much that I have an interest in, well, that tends to make me pay attention.

Later still I have a weird fluke of an experience where bad Net practises or something brings his home address to my knowledge, and THAT turns out to be a block or a street or two up from the first place where I worked in London back in 1997. I'd walked right past that many times, and this was one of the two first places where I ended up living in London, more or less. Flatshare in Mile End and then that place while a live-in carer, after all the rest of the synchro tying to it all.

If you haven't run into it yet, check out his "All This World" song from YT. The video's unrelated to the song, bar the character he played in Tombraider having psychic gifts and tying to Lux Veritatis fighting evil in the game called Angel Of Darkness about nephilim or something. In more WTF'nF "Eh, er, okay..." creepiness or tying to the same old bundle of whatever it is some more again.

Oh, and guess what, he's also in a movie about alien abductions, and debunking "psychic" frauds, when not having played a bloody tech-fixating wizard in a college for wizards and witches (not Hogwarts). Or John Wilkie, director of the Secret Service in a movie about Houdini. Because of course you do. And he's in a scifi short on YouTube about reality not being quite what you think it is (shortly put). The world was screaming something when I stumbled on him, but for now I wouldn't know what use any of it would be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm249oYzr4c

"All this world is breaking down inside" indeed in some ways in any case, I suppose.

And, like clockwork, now learned he was born around the time of July when EVERY Cancer tying to me was born, around 8-11th or with the Sun somewhere around the 16th degree. Everybody in my family has something there (other than me, aside asteroids like Lucifer and Alma, OR the contrascia to my Valentine, which I'm thus likewise forced to conclude does matter), my oldest childhood friend was born then, a later crush, two of my brother's three children (same as him), a cousin, tons of people. Loren's NN at ~13.32 Gemini (antiscia his Sun) so my Valentine on his GA South Node, though otherwise not really a lot in the charts that ties to me (and it's not the actor per se with me so no wonder either, it's something else floating somewhere). Possibly Moon conjunct my NN or antiscia my DC, but might be earlier, too. Venus 2,5 conj ASC, otherwise just his kite + Jupiter all aspecting my Mercury.

"Left alone I slip away, let the past return to me, images I once had known, used to seem so comforting. This time round I don't give in, I let them pass so I am free. Forgive myself for what I've been..." lyrics were fascinating to run into when I first heard All This World.

Quoting Diagoras and Who, "How much further?" "Beyond your imagination."

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I see the composite Sun will fall around 7 Leo conjunct my ASC whenever the other Sun is 16 Cancer, possibly adding another reason why I always hone in on people from there. Noticeable even if nothing else about them was.

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posted September 05, 2015 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
And I just now am thinking about my VALENTINE on the Great Attractor; d'oh! Of-bloody-course!

As to the rest that you've said: wow. Nailed it. That's it. That's it in a nutshell. The crux of my earliest fiction; while my heroine is essentially learning the ropes of multidimensional living, she's in turn teaching the multidimensional being / time-traveller about the human experience by default.

Even if I can't help but beg the more obvious question sometimes: why? Why envision and dream of (literally) some-such figure at all?

It's sad, but true. Humanity is so lacking in so many ways. It's that extraordinary drive and potential for more -- the need of more and better -- that attracts me most to my boyfriend.

But it's that desire for more. Heh. I find his complicated feelings about humanity charming. Like chastising a beloved child. As if humankind just doesn't know any better and tries its best. He finds the human race as a whole endearing to him , but mostly impossible to relate to in any significant way -- and a tremendous challenge, regarding relationships -- making true empathy one of his biggest problems. Thankfully he's only ever truly lonely very rarely, and since me, that's not been an issue.

So, playing the alien personality card is almost mandatory with him. One of the first things my husband said was how we're two aliens, and he's the human man trying to help us get a hang of this whole human thing. I think my boyfriend feels a similar endearment towards my husband as well, for this reason. He respects and appreciates him, but finds him otherwise impossible to truly grok.

At any rate, I grok what you're saying, Keela. And I feel you're right. Even if it's not Dalek Sec which enthralled me, I get why, and I certainly deeply admire -- even have come to require -- those sorts of traits in a man with whom I'm sharing intimacy. Naturally, I gave up on it, because who the hell is bloody like that? Well, my boyfriend, as it turns out. Heh!


I can't believe I forgot possibly the most important thing about hybrid Dalek Sec, too. "We must return to the flesh, and also, the heart." <333333333333333333333333333333333 Hearts & flowers & (highly uncharacteristic to me) puppydog kisses of awwwww, or me basically glomping him to love for life. All the "LET ME LOVE YOU" gifs of the Internet. No, I have no idea, but something about him overall just clicked with me, and called out to me. So much so I risk sounding like an idiot with all the above (but I would dearly glomp him for saying that in any case). There's a reason I keep calling him a sweetheart right there in the episode, after all.

"We tried everything to survive when we found ourselves stranded in this ignorant age" wasn't one of the things I loved the character for, but it strikes me as apt in other ways right now, given humanity's peccadillos at times. The compassion was one of the things liked though, the stroking of the cheek of what were the former victims or misused people, the emotions rising from underneath and what he could have been on that front.

You may see why I don't vibe with Vulcans or people denying the flesh or further emotionality though, if Sec is what clicks. If he thinks that lack of emotions makes them lesser and wants to return to "the heart", for example. Rewatching even a few of the episode's bits on YT is a reminder of how much I'd apparently still run off with him to whichever suitable planet out there, there being so much great about the character. Not everything wanted, but so much greatness that echoes. Add some sense of humour and passion and that'd be great in combination with what's there. (I said I was Romulan. )

You're welcome for the Valentine-GA pointer and/or putting whatever you were after in another way. In my case it was or is also androids that get appreciated (newly in bodies, new to emotions, likewise?) so I guess everyone has types or things that subconsciously work for them or reflect something wanted or needed in some way. Uranian as machinery or whatever such may also be or appear.

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posted September 05, 2015 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That IS fascinating! Wow. 10° Virgo rising, (another one!) What degrees are your NODES and VERTICES?

Oops. It was rounded not the way I thought then. My ASC is at 11 Virgo, nearly 12. NN - 28 Cap, Vertex - almost 20 Aqua.

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That's also wild about his MOON being in your 8H, too. That's definitely a powerful placement.

We also have quite a lot of Pluto between us and some Vertex action so I guess it was unavoidable.

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Plus, you said you're also a 10º Virgo rising? That tURA is going through your 8H, too, in that case, with tPLUTO through the 5H. Don't underestimate their transformative capacity

Uranus did bring some changes. Or maybe, realizations. I wonder what's else to come...I can believe Pluto will transform something (it seems to me he already started working on my DSC ruler) but it will be likely focused on artistic expression. Can't wait to have my Sun bombed I have my natal Pluto in the 3rd and tSaturn soon will leave that house so unless somehow I become famous I don't think tPluto in the 5th will reverse me Hm, maybe deep down I know it'll happen and I'm covering tracks? And seriously, I've regreted sharing things about me enough times, including the net, to start developing a filter. I suppose my Pluto doesn't like feeling exposed in the end, even if I'm anonymous (but who's truly anonymous nowadays? eh). And my Virgo&Saturn like to make me embarrassed about what I said/wrote and it's no fun feeling like a retard. I don't know how people can crave having someone who knows everything about them, this idea makes me uncomfortable. I'm even more uncomfortable with the exhibitionism present in social media. Under their pics and real names for everyone to see. Protect me from them, Xenu...

Anyway, I didn't mean sex only. You reveal a lot in general. I know that you showed your pic on LL at least once and you work in show business. If I were in your position I'd be more careful.

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posted September 05, 2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I know that you showed your pic on LL at least once and you work in show business. If I were in your position I'd be more careful.

That's precisely why. I try and get it out there ahead of time -- and live as authentically as I possibly can.

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Came by just really to show my appreciation for the title of the thread. It made me smile in the end of a tiring day ;-)

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Came by just really to show my appreciation for the title of the thread. It made me smile in the end of a tiring day ;-)

Hah! I'm so glad.

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Okay, just to clarify, are you speaking of your ex in the first paragraph, or asking specifically regarding my boyfriend? I can't deny that he's quite reclusive; beneath his public persona he's definitely deeply private, and ... well, he seems mysterious. And I respectively keep his mystery.

I know that he does have a dark side, but he has it so deeply chained down, it would appear as if his shadow is still wearing a white hat -- as I've said a few times. Frankly, he himself is terrified of its capacity -- and we're both coming to see exactly why, but safely, through focussed discussion in a targetted, but not threatening, manner. As a result, he banished it -- with the rest of his shadow, and so many emotions -- long, long ago, to the recesses of his psyche. Plenty has been excavated, but much remains deeply buried. I figure it's the sort of thing that will be continuously undertaken slowly, carefully, over time.


I was referring to your boyfriend in the first paragraph. I think a Cancer Sun/Aries Moon is a very emotional combination, and especially with his Moon/Mars opposition. What you described makes sense, since I've always thought that he is extremely repressed.

My ex had Pluto opposite his Moon, right on his AC. He definitely kept his demons under lock and key, and I'm the only person on earth that has seen his true dark side. I know that he is terrified of it himself, and goes to great lengths to be Mr. Nice Guy. My 8th house stellium falls in his 12th, and my Moon/Pluto conjunction is right on his AC. I feel that I know him better than he knows himself, and he has trouble owning that side of his personality.

With your boyfriend, I've always had a feeling that his mom was abusive towards him. I guess I assume that because of his avoidance of relationships for so many years. I know it's cliche, but Cancers are always deeply impacted by their mother, sometimes this is a good thing, but it's often a very complicated relationship. I asked about whether you had been to his house before, because he strikes me as the type that is very compartmentalized. Even though you work together and have a relationship, It seems like there is a dark side of himself that he keeps very private. I get the sense that he never lets anyone get close enough to see that dark side by shielding himself from others. He may not even acknowledge it to himself. It could be my own paranoia or my twisted sense of humor, but I picture him being a Norman Bates type. Not to say that he's a murderer, I'm referring more to the mother/son dynamic. Although I'd keep an eye out for heads in the freezer or human skin lampshades, but that's just me. Maybe mother never wanted him to be with women because they're harlots, and he grew up with a complex surrounding relationships with women. Please don't get offended, it's just my 2 cents. I just find it very odd looking at his chart that he is always on his best behavior, because I would expect at least an occasional emotional outburst. Maybe he is so afraid of his intense emotions that he avoids arousing them at all costs. Also, with Sun in the 8th and Moon in the 5th, I would imagine him to be very relationship oriented, which has not been the case. I know he identifies as being asexual, but this seems to be more psychologically influenced rather than a lack of physical desire.

His chart seems contradictory to the way that you describe him, since I would think this guy would be ruled by his emotions. If he represses a lot, this makes sense. It makes me wonder just how dark his shadow side really is, if he goes to such lengths to keep it under wraps. He has let his guard down enough to have a sexual relationship with you, but there is still an emotional disconnect. I'm fascinated by the dynamic here.

How is his relationship with his mother? Is she still alive?

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Aubyanne,
Have you considered what the degree of some natal placements may trigger between your charts? 19 degree sun to 19 degree Venus, and 9 degree sun to vertex as an example with the charts you posted. Would this not show a binding tie?

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Aubyanne, in light of recent revelations, I'm even more curious about his relationship with his mother. If my intuition is correct, you've only scratched the surface here. It's not the first time I've voiced my concern. Especially because of your intuitive feelings regarding other lives/eigenstates with one another. It's troubling to say the least, since timelines may be a bit convoluted. I try to be respectful, but I must say something in good conscience. May I ask, what triggered the incident that you described? By that I mean being introduced to Mr. Hyde. Believe me, I know all too well. My alarm bells have been ringing.

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