posted September 13, 2015 06:02 PM            

I have personal experience in this area with one that's become rather 'famous' throughout LL; that of the composite between my karmic soulmate and myself:

There's been a lot of hullabaloo over this one. Some have said it's incredible, but, approaching it from this new perspective, I can see where the 'delusional' part could come in, with both of us pining for something that could never truly manifest. And, sadly, destroying whatever beauty we had between us in the process, too blinded by the desire for something more.

On the one hand, I can see why the intense focus could show clear direction for the individuals. And, should that path be open, it might be incredible. But what if it isn't? How can we tell that one will result in the feeling of being fated to be together rather than degenerate into a cold war that ultimately ends in frustration and sadness? Or, as he once put it, 'tragic disappointment'.

posted September 13, 2015 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I thought that chart was you and your TF??

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That is my karmic soulmate, H.

It's been a helluva journey, trying to see what's what, why, how it happened, what the greater motivation was behind it all, and how we've all ended up.

The only way we would be 'twin' flames is if we were also 'twin' flames. That's what led iQ to determining the distinct possibility of triplet flames -- as out there as it seems. At times, it seems logical, but then I ponder it more deeply on a true soul level -- and I just can't see it.

He feels more like deep soul-family, 'my brother'. A karmic soulmate with whom I've been through a LOT. But he doesn't know the first thing about how to be an enlightened being. I think he may wish to be, on some level, and, who knows? Maybe in time, I could help him to do that.

Instead, he seems more like an integral piece of the puzzle in the journey to my actual twin flame. The necessary 'distraction' which allowed for enough time and lessened expectations so that we wouldn't be overburdened by being twins.

posted September 13, 2015 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Editing..

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Aww, was it a double-post? I missed it.

Also, I think we were all pretty taken aback by how 'perfect' the chart is. And yet, our own, as well as the one closest related to it, have both resulted in ... nothing. Complex, ostensibly deep bonding ultimately resulting in a total failure to launch and moving on from it -- hopefully, with minimal disappointment. But, not always.

posted September 13, 2015 06:50 PM            

I am still to test mine!

posted September 13, 2015 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Aww, was it a double-post? I missed it.

Also, I think we were all pretty taken aback by how 'perfect' the chart is. And yet, our own, as well as the one closest related to it, have both resulted in ... nothing. Complex, ostensibly deep bonding ultimately resulting in a total failure to launch and moving on from it -- hopefully, with minimal disappointment. But, not always.

It got me ... not questioning astrology, per se; no, no. I'm not that foolish. It's been too long. But it DID get me wondering why it had to be this way; why it had to look so 'perfect' and be so ... not. Illusory.

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I love that Sun-Venus-Jupiter stellium Trine AMOR, the moon conjunct valentine, the juno-alma, the isis-osiris. Its a very nice composite indeed. Perhaps Neptune-EROS is part of why it stays in the platonic level and other factors not illustrated in the composite. I DONT FEEL stelliums is the problem and causes delusions, it could lead to a lot of highs and lows but it doesn't mean delusion. To me delusion means that something is not real and composite stelliums are very real and intense; I have one with all my three soulmates (ex,mr.aqua and husband).

I think often if a relationship does not fully manifest or manifests partially but not all the way its important to look at the natals. Like my ex he has juno-venus-pluto in libra all squaring his NESSUS and I feel that was a good contributor to our destruction his pride and "bad blood," his desire to punish me and his pride were ultimately stronger than his ability to love. He couldn't' let go of the anger/grudge, we also had Transit nessus conjunct denajanira and transit Chiron activating both of our natals the day we broke up so transits played a role in our destruction as well! We were destined to be an not to be and its not because of our composite stellium is bc of a number of other specific astrological factors. Like in addition we had eurydike-orpheus aspects in composite and synastry and natally.

I have a stellium with Mr.aqua and my husband and my relationships with them have continued growing and or evolving.But a relationship cannot evolve if one of the parties checks out and doesn't have the flexibility needed for a relationship to evolve and continue in some way that is feasible for both. Like my ex probably thinks very all or nothing; he is probably like either we are together or not together at all and don't want any contact, he can't adapt or find a middle ground. To be fair the stellium ingredients between us lead to a lot of intensity so its hard to not do all or nothing so I guess I understand why he has taken that route even though I know in my heart neither of us have ever truly stopped caring and longing for the other.

We were together for about a year, it was real, it was not a delusion but the maturity was not on our side and he did contact me years later right before I got married and I had predicted this to him that this would happen and it would be too late for us, asking him to act then to avoid that outcome.

posted September 13, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Aww, was it a double-post? I missed it.

Also, I think we were all pretty taken aback by how 'perfect' the chart is. And yet, our own, as well as the one closest related to it, have both resulted in ... nothing. Complex, ostensibly deep bonding ultimately resulting in a total failure to launch and moving on from it -- hopefully, with minimal disappointment. But, not always.

It got me ... not questioning astrology, per se; no, no. I'm not that foolish. It's been too long. But it DID get me wondering why it had to be this way; why it had to look so 'perfect' and be so ... not. Illusory.

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posted September 13, 2015 07:19 PM            

When I think of it, I always feel so very sorry that it never could work out.

posted September 13, 2015 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
How you would describe the best composite now Aubyanne?

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This one!

Just kidding. Well -- partially kidding.

Everything that I've gone through in this relationship (five years thus far) has changed my life in so many ways ... and it's been through the diligence of unconditional love and overcoming incredible obstacles that we've risen above so many challenges that could've taken us down.

Once -- just once -- we slipped up and degenerated into a dark place, doing emotional harm to each other. Because we're human, and we have issues. But we have more love for one another than we do desire for self-preservation, or to act in service of ego. So, when a choice must be made, we've chosen honesty and love. And I appreciate this -- almost more than if it had never happened. Because now I know the potential we have to utterly destroy one another, and that we actively choose not to, out of love for each other.

posted September 13, 2015 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
@peluches you have Saturn at the apex of a composite Yod, that is why it didn't work out, not the stellium.

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:: pokes ::

But so do we.

SATURN's the apex, with the legs being NEPTUNE and MOON. And it's all within 1°, so orb's not an issue.

posted September 13, 2015 08:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
:: pokes ::

But so do we.

SATURN's the apex, with the legs being NEPTUNE and MOON. And it's all within 1°, so orb's not an issue.

Why do you think it's worked for us? Rather, why we just applied greater diligence in order to persevere? Sure, there have been bumps along the way, but we never gave up.

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posted September 13, 2015 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
By we do you mean your boyfriend or your husband?

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posted September 13, 2015 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In the composite I have with my twin; the one I shared above.

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But your twin is not your husband and so there are limitations and withholding even if you have an open relationship with your husband, you are still married and not with your twin hence that Saturn at the apex of yod; you met while you were married.

posted September 13, 2015 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
But your twin is not your husband and so there are limitations and withholding even if you have an open relationship with your husband, you are still married and not with your twin hence that Saturn at the apex of yod; you met while you were married.

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posted September 13, 2015 09:37 PM            

"Butterfly also implies chrysalis, so these relationships may take some time to form, despite the initial magnetic attraction brought by the structure. Also, they probably will never be boring, there is constant transformation and the stakes or the standards could be quite high, or getting higher with time. Just like with Neptune relationships, the couple can't fall in a rut for long, or be completely immersed in the mundane all the time; they would suffer."

posted September 13, 2015 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Just read this on another thread re butterfly patterns.

What Leeloo wrote here completely resonates with me in a freaky way.

Can you relate Auby?

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Oh, absolutely! Deeply. I feel that if we had approached our relationship in a conventional manner, it would've impeded the inherent magic that we possess together on a powerful level.

posted September 13, 2015 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, absolutely! Deeply. I feel that if we had approached our relationship in a conventional manner, it would've impeded the inherent magic that we possess together on a powerful level.

How has it manifested for you?

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Yes I can relate. Powerful stuff Auby!

posted September 13, 2015 10:54 PM            

No marriage?wow.

Sun-venus-jupiter
Mercury-juno
Moon in 4th seems lovely
Vertex conjunct DC
And the list goes on...

posted September 13, 2015 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yes I can relate. Powerful stuff Auby!

It is a very slow process with us due to external forces, however we are deeply connected. It certainly feels very 12th house/mystical. Almost so precious that we are so careful to taint it in any way. We want to keep our connection pure. Which I'm not sure is always a good thing since real life exists here on earth Never experienced anything like this before and don't think I ever will again. I am certain we have gone through many lives together.

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It's so funny that you say that, Em. My husband has even pointed out our 'excessive purity' on multiple occasions, and how we seem to 'refuse' to be like 'all the rest of humanity'. Though it's true that we're both very serious about maintaining an evolved union, it made me realise how inherently dark and 'unsightly' sexuality truly is.

When the 'gloves came off', as it were, and we realised how human we both are, something changed. We could relate to each other, in a more human way than we ever truly had. We deal constantly in the realm of ideas; we're creatures of intellect and spirit. We often forget that our bodies -- the flesh, blood, and bone -- is all part of the package.

But it was that stark change which allowed us to truly have sex together -- to experience a merging on so many levels, I can't even articulate them. And, for the most important one of all for us, where we've been most lacking -- the physical -- to be not just present, but fully acknowledged. To be able to let go for just long enough to feel the overwhelming power of desire; to surrender to all of the dark feelings -- of sadness, rage, and fear -- and to let them be consumed by passion, connexion, and union. It was ... incredible. It was alchemy, in the truest sense of the word. We were performing feats of magic.

Things are a little different with us now. We're not quite so proper, even as we'll always have an inherent thread of civility that never quite leaves -- it doesn't feel like an invisible wall between us any longer. He's no less enlightened, beautiful, or angelic to me, either. If anything, I'm more inclined to fix his halo when it's slightly askew, and give him a wink upon doing so.

posted September 13, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's so funny that you say that, Em. My husband has even pointed out our 'excessive purity' on multiple occasions, and how we seem to 'refuse' to be like 'all the rest of humanity'. Though it's true that we're both very serious about maintaining an evolved union, it made me realise how inherently dark and 'unsightly' sexuality truly is.

When the 'gloves came off', as it were, and we realised how human we both are, something changed. We could relate to each other, in a more human way than we ever truly had. We deal constantly in the realm of ideas; we're creatures of intellect and spirit. We often forget that our bodies -- the flesh, blood, and bone -- is all part of the package.

But it was that stark change which allowed us to truly have sex together -- to experience a merging on so many levels, I can't even articulate them. And, for the most important one of all for us, where we've been most lacking -- the physical -- to be not just present, but fully acknowledged. To be able to let go for just long enough to feel the overwhelming power of desire; to surrender to all of the dark feelings -- of sadness, rage, and fear -- and to let them be consumed by passion, connexion, and union. It was ... incredible. It was alchemy, in the truest sense of the word. We were performing feats of magic.

Things are a little different with us now. We're not quite so proper, even as we'll always have an inherent thread of civility that never quite leaves -- it doesn't feel like an invisible wall between us any longer. He's no less enlightened, beautiful, or angelic to me, either. If anything, I'm more inclined to fix his halo when it's slightly askew, and give him a wink upon doing so.

We're here. We're human. It's tough when you've got a 'higher love' to not become lost in the abstraction and purity of it all. But it's essential that we remember the body part of 'mind, body, and soul', and not 'forget' to be human, too.

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