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Empty Spaces
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posted September 14, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys!
I noticed something weird in my natal chart.

-My 5th house cusp is libra and its an empty house.
I met a guy and he put sun,moon,mercury and venus in my 5th and i felt nothing for him at all.

- My ex boyfriend have pluto in my 5th and once again,nothing related to this house.No fun.

Its like i cant feel the planets in my 5th.Anyone here experienced that with your empty houses?

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posted September 14, 2015 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never felt anything for the ppl who put stuff in my empty 5th house...I love it when ppl put stuff in my empty 8th house though! Well I guess technically I do have my SN in 8th...

Hey Empty Spaces....your name is perfect for your thread! Lol

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Empty Spaces
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posted September 14, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I've never felt anything for the ppl who put stuff in my empty 5th house...I love it when ppl put stuff in my empty 8th house though! Well I guess technically I do have my SN in 8th...

Hey Empty Spaces....your name is perfect for your thread! Lol


Aww Gaby you're evil but what can I say?thats true. Hahaha Thanks for sharing btw!
Probably hits your SN then right?i love 7th overlays and my NN is there.Anyway ,thats still weird,we should feel something when they hit our empty houses.Especially when we talking about the 5th!

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posted September 14, 2015 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mereiposa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, because I love when they put stuff in houses 7 and 8, but just putting things in 5th doesn't trigger it either.

I have my Sun and Jupiter in my 8th, but an empty 7th, but I respond to placements there. Or at least, the men who are putting placements in 7th also put things in 8th. But there is a man who is interested in me, and while I adore him as a friend, I have no romantic interest. He puts Sun, Moon and Mercury in my 5th, but nothing elsewhere.

I need them to trigger my Pluto too, I have found. The man above, who is unrequited, even has his Pluto trine my Venus, but I feel nothing.

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Empty Spaces
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posted September 14, 2015 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mereiposa:
Interesting, because I love when they put stuff in houses 7 and 8, but just putting things in 5th doesn't trigger it either.

I have my Sun and Jupiter in my 8th, but an empty 7th, but I respond to placements there. Or at least, the men who are putting placements in 7th also put things in 8th. But there is a man who is interested in me, and while I adore him as a friend, I have no romantic interest. He puts Sun, Moon and Mercury in my 5th, but nothing elsewhere.

I need them to trigger my Pluto too, I have found. The man above, who is unrequited, even has his Pluto trine my Venus, but I feel nothing.


Thanks for sharing
So weird hun..that should be the house of fun for us!

I was analyzing my chart and..

My 12th is empty and i feel like the house is almost "doomed" to me cuz many of my relatives and 2 of my best friends share this overlay with me.Its like you get used to the feeling you know?So basically when i have that in my romantic relationships, it feels confortable and nice but it doesnt go much deeper than that.

-The whole saturn-aquarius generation sits in my 7th/8th.So no longer a concern.But when other planets sits there is a very different story lol

-The 5th still a mistery for me though.

Do you guys feel something similar?

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Empty Spaces
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posted September 14, 2015 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course when we have a packed house we have more chances to active it through conjunctions, etc.But i experienced 7th overlay without touching any planets there.(sun/mercury)and was lovely.

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posted September 14, 2015 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it depends.

I've got nothing in my 8H except my PRIAPUS and PALLAS. My boyfriend's 5H BML-MOON-NABOKOV is conjunct it, 0º-2º. (His MOON is 2º conjunct NYMPHE, but that's slightly out of orb by about 0º30.) But my PALLAS is 0º conjunct his EROS, and opposite my APHRODITE-ADONIS.

I definitely feel it. Perhaps it's due to it being 5H energy that's overlaying 8H energy? I wonder.

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posted September 15, 2015 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I think it depends.

I've got nothing in my 8H except my PRIAPUS and PALLAS. My boyfriend's 5H BML-MOON-NABOKOV is conjunct it, 0º-2º. (His MOON is 2º conjunct NYMPHE, but that's slightly out of orb by about 0º30.) But my PALLAS is 0º conjunct his EROS, and opposite my APHRODITE-ADONIS.

I definitely feel it. Perhaps it's due to it being 5H energy that's overlaying 8H energy? I wonder.


Thanks You made a good point here.From now on,i will check with asteroids inclued...sometimes i use them but most of times i forget.

Some people believe in chiron overlays.Based on personal experiences i would say no,but what about you?

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posted September 15, 2015 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Hey guys!
I noticed something weird in my natal chart.

-My 5th house cusp is libra and its an empty house.
I met a guy and he put sun,moon,mercury and venus in my 5th and i felt nothing for him at all.

- My ex boyfriend have pluto in my 5th and once again,nothing related to this house.No fun.

Its like i cant feel the planets in my 5th.Anyone here experienced that with your empty houses?


The 5th house can rock my world in synastry... But, it's not like I instantly fall for just any guy who puts a bunch of planets in my 5th house either. It's a much more delicate balance then this.

I'm a great believer in the power of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in synastry when it comes to attraction, and I think overlays to these houses or aspects to these house rulers are pretty much crucial in attraction synastry. When it comes to overlays though, it's never as simple is dumping a bunch of planets in, say, the 5th house and 'presto' there's an attraction. The interaspects between charts are very important to pay attention to when it comes to synastry. If someone puts planets in your 5th house but they don't really strongly aspect your personal planets through this overlay it's possible you might not really feel the overlay at all. It's not enough just to have 5th house overlays. We need strong aspects from the overlay in order to have it spark us off.

Another issue here is that if the emphasis is on just one of the relationship houses (5th, 7th, and 8th) but the others are not influenced one way or another, it can be hard for a full attraction to develop. The best and strongest attractions in my observation involve activation of all three of these relationship house. Sometimes by overlay, sometimes by house ruler aspects, and sometimes by symbolism matches (for example, Sun in the 7th house being attracted to Leo planets in the partner). So if we have one instance of a particular random person just putting a bunch of planets in one of these houses it's doesn't necessarily mean anything unless the overall synastry points in the direction of a romantic attraction.

Yet another issue to consider is whether or not you also have good yin/yang physical attraction aspects with that person, as well as relationship house overlays. Overlays to the relationship houses can really make us like someone, or at least be really intrigued by them. But if there are not physical attraction aspects present in the interplanetary synastry romantic feelings could fail to develop. Our liking for them would remain platonic.

The very last point I want to make is about the symbolism of the houses themselves, and how it's not as one dimensional as 5th house = attraction. The 5th house has more then one meaning. As do the 7th and the 8th houses.

ONE of the themes that the 5th house symbolizes is courtship and romantic sparks. The 5th house is also associated with how we GIVE of ourselves, and express in an inspired way. How we adore our children, and take pride in them (raising them is a type of creative project all on it's own). The 5th house show types of things that inspire us to let loose and have fun. The 5th house can also symbolizes the playful, fun side of our father (the Sun can represent the father, and the 5th house is associated with the Sun symbolically). Saturn and the 10th house describe the authoritative side of our father. The 5th house can describe what impresses us, and who you look up to as a kind of hero, in a general sense.

We may have a strong 5th house overlay with someone but if we were only ever meant (because of karma/fate) to have a platonic connection with that person, the 5th house overlay may manifest in one of it's other meanings. Perhaps connected with creative expression, simple admiration, or 'fun' of some kind, rather then the 'falling in love' option. Or maybe we just talk a lot about dating, child rearing, and artistic expression, with this person.

The essence of the 5th house itself seems to be about what lights up our hearts with joy, and makes us feel 'alive'. For most people these things are comprised of... Who we fall for romantically, our hobbies and interests that inspire us creatively, our children, encountering others who impress us, feeling we're able to impress others with our own self-expression, and our experience of celebration and fun. All of these things are 5th house related.

So yeah, if we're not meant to fall for a particular person, attraction probably won't ignite no matter how many planets they put in our 5th house. The 5th house overlay could simply play out in another way. And again, if the person is not aspecting our chart with their overlaying planets we probably won't even feel them in the first place. Nor is a full attraction likely to come about if they are only impacting the 5th house, and not also touching the 7th and 8th houses in some way. Same thing applies if the person lacks physical attraction aspects with us in general. If we have all three relationship houses activated in synastry but no physical attraction aspects with that person, we may like them a lot, and even think they are pretty special, but we just won't go for them in that way.

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posted September 15, 2015 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Libra make any contacts to your personal planets.

I have early Taurus in my 5th house, and there's normally no contacts made from their planets to mine when something falls into my 5th house, so I typically don't feel anything.

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posted September 15, 2015 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Leeloo! I believe everything you wrote, of course.Plus I read tons of comments about the 5th house here on this forum and most of people were like hehe thats why i need to understand why the same thing doesnt happen with me.

I have ASC,moon,jupiter all in air signs.Mars/venus in water.But have no planets in fire.Perhaps i dont need more air?Im always attracted to libra guys (probably because of the cusp) but we never last.Something is always missing.

On the other hand,i met a guy and his venus and mercury (aries) are placed in my 10th/11th house and was fatal! I fell hard!! Plus he activated my 5th throught the ruler.

Venus conjunct saturn (3)
Venus conjunct pallas (2)

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
We may have a strong 5th house overlay with someone but if we were only ever meant (because of karma/fate) [/B]

Exactly what i think!!!

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posted September 15, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Aww Gaby you're evil but what can I say?thats true. Hahaha Thanks for sharing btw!
Probably hits your SN then right?i love 7th overlays and my NN is there.Anyway ,thats still weird,we should feel something when they hit our empty houses.Especially when we talking about the 5th!

Yes, I like the SN activation and I'm a big fan of 7th to, but I have Jupiter/Vertex/Chiron hanging out there, so no big surprise.

It does kind of surprise me that 5th doesn't do much for me...Uranus rules my 5th
Uranus is in my 2nd only making a square aspect to my Saturn...I'd always figured that was the reason Uranus, Aqua and my 5th didn't thrill me!

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posted September 15, 2015 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an empty 7th house.

What I've noticed:

When friends and relatives have planets activating this house I enjoy the energy. With men... I rather have this house empty but the 1st house activated. Why? Because I always felt 7th house in my natal is pretty useless being empty or not. Juno is in my 1st house and that made me always crave marriage and commitment.
I had men putting all their planets in my 7th and felt nothing for them.

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posted September 15, 2015 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I have an empty 7th house.

What I've noticed:

When friends and relatives have planets activating this house I enjoy the energy. With men... I rather have this house empty but the 1st house activated. Why? Because I always felt 7th house in my natal is pretty useless being empty or not. Juno is in my 1st house and that made me always crave marriage and commitment.
I had men putting all their planets in my 7th and felt nothing for them.


Weird. Empty 7H here, too. Don't always dig the energy, just depends. And though JUNO's 1H also in my case, I never once thought about marriage before I actually married at 30 for practical reasons.

Maybe due to it being 1º conjunct SATURN (which is 5R).

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posted September 15, 2015 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Does Libra make any contacts to your personal planets.

I have early Taurus in my 5th house, and there's normally no contacts made from their planets to mine when something falls into my 5th house, so I typically don't feel anything.


Hey lacey I have jupiter in libra but is in 4th.
I think when people have planets in some of these signs (aries-leo-sagittarius or taurus) they affect me no matter the house,cuz i have a lack of fire signs.
I guess that explains why i dont feel anything when people hit my 5th (libra-scorpio) but it feels so good when they have planets in my 7th (sagittarius) or my 10th/11th (aries).
Looking at your chart,do feel something similar?

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posted September 16, 2015 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Weird. Empty 7H here, too. Don't always dig the energy, just depends. And though JUNO's 1H also in my case, I never once thought about marriage before I actually married at 30 for practical reasons.

Maybe due to it being 1º conjunct SATURN (which is 5R).


Well... since Venus is the ruler of my 7th house, marriage for practical reasons is out of the question for me. I would never do that. I would marry only being very much in love.

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posted September 16, 2015 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Thanks Leeloo! I believe everything you wrote, of course.Plus I read tons of comments about the 5th house here on this forum and most of people were like hehe thats why i need to understand why the same thing doesnt happen with me.

I have ASC,moon,jupiter all in air signs.Mars/venus in water.But have no planets in fire.Perhaps i dont need more air?Im always attracted to libra guys (probably because of the cusp) but we never last.Something is always missing.

On the other hand,i met a guy and his venus and mercury (aries) are placed in my 10th/11th house and was fatal! I fell hard!! Plus he activated my 5th throught the ruler.

Venus conjunct saturn (3)
Venus conjunct pallas (2)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lotis White:
We may have a strong 5th house overlay with someone but if we were only ever meant (because of karma/fate)


Exactly what i think!!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Thank you, but I did nada here

Lotis on the other hand....

I think you may not feel the 5th overlay romantically sometimes, but I bet you do need a direct aspect to your 5th ruler when in love; being Venus it is of course more difficult to discern.

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