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mnm1978
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posted September 15, 2015 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm struggling with understanding this relationship and what I should be learning from it, but it doesn't feel finished. I managed this person in a lab with 10 other employees for over a year and I had a close friendship with all of them. This person moved to a new lab in early July and the dynamic changed between us after that. Prompted by him. Things have changed though recently and what started as really positive has left me feeling like an option instead of a choice. We've both gone through a lot in our personal lives over the past year and as co-workers, obviously know a lot about those situations. Not sure where this is headed, if it's finished (we currently aren't speaking), or what. Just trying to make sense of the dynamic.

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athenaia
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posted September 15, 2015 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little confused - is the birthday for the inner wheel correct? Because their Pluto is in Gemini and if this is regarding a current relationship I feel positive that the inner wheel was not born in the years 1882-1914..

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mnm1978
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posted September 15, 2015 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fixed! Thank you for catching that! Not sure what happened, but I was definitely not born in 197 .

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posted September 15, 2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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athenaia
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posted September 15, 2015 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, it's kinda cool because you would still have many of the same aspects if you *were* born in 197!

Is the time for the outer wheel correct?

IMO, I feel this is really good synastry. Some challenging aspects, to be sure, but a synastry that fully flows is more disconcerting to me than a synastry with some snags.

What stands out, naturally is you (Venus) and him (Mars) - potent, classical sexual attraction
Then his Sun conjunct your Moon. Classical heteronormative compatibility in the astrologer's handbook. Your emotional life is well reflected in the most basic sense of how he chooses to present as himself and what he stands for.
Pluto conjunct Uranus and then Moon conjunct Pluto. Immediate chemistry, immediate attraction, a deep, fully formed passion that burnt extremely bright at the apex of this interaction
That is to say, if this was ever consummated. Invasive to ask and you don't have to answer, but whether this is the case or not, such feelings would still be prominent in your interpersonal dynamics
Sun/Moon/Neptune forming a grand trine with his Jupiter and your Mercury. Your professional lives blend well with your personal lives. This isn't the first time there's been a snag in your interactions - it's happened before, but you both have such immense good will towards one another that the feelings quickly get resolved and maybe laughed about (Jupiter). Both of you are in synch mentally (Mercury) - let's go even deeper than that - you're borderline psychic with one another. This bonds you both further and makes the highs that this relationship casts incomparable to anything else you guys have experienced or even thought you ever wanted.

You know what I think? He's going through a lot right now that has nothing to do with you. Saturn is about to shift into Sagittarius at the end of the week and the opposition will quickly maul his Gemini Mars - meaning the tone of that planet will be majorly shifted. That Mars touches your Venus, hence his backing away.
When he was 18, he underwent a massive psychological change when Pluto demolished his Sun and Venus. He was immature then, used his charm to get whatever he wanted and didn't always use his intellect to his benefit. He's changed now, a little wiser than his years, unsettles some people that meet him. This is also due to the Capricorn stellium in his chart. Well, now everything in that stellium is being reviewed by Pluto demolishing whatever values he held towards responsibility and the platform of his thinking patterns in general.
All Capricorns have been acting erratic lately. They've been extremely on edge and crawled even deeper inside their own minds than they usually are. It's best to leave them alone right now and have them handle this process of rediscovery and rebirth on their own.

Like I said, imo, you guys are really compatible. I have an affection for your synastry as my boyfriend was born in 1978 and I 1990. I hope everything resolves itself!

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posted September 15, 2015 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Never consummated . I was going through a lot this past year, my ex-husband passed away last October, I was finishing my graduate degree, and raising a three year old. He had a girlfriend when I hired him. He apparently proposed to her back in May and she freaked out on him. He really is a sweet, smart guy...who adores my little girl. I was caught off guard when things changed and he said he wanted to sit down and have a heart to heart with me. Then he came to me, but said later he got scared...that he had this whole thing planned out but I wouldn't even look at him. I moved three hours away the next day to be closer to family. I was so nervous about what he wanted to say in this heart to heart that I kind of shot him down. We haven't even spoken on the phone since then. Just some back and forth text messages that changed recently. I think he is out drinking a lot and flirting with other women. I'm beginning to feel like an option instead of a choice...and our communications have changed. He's stopped messaging back and he seems different. It's a lot to handle from a distance, but I can't seem to get it out of my head. It just feels so unresolved and I will admit I can feel the chemistry even across this distance. I think I'm going to have to "let it go" for now and see if he comes back around... Not sure on his exact birth time to answer your question.

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mnm1978
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posted September 15, 2015 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And we have had snags, but you are right and they never really seem to get between us. I don't hold back when it comes to calling him out on his ******** ...at least I didn't as his manager. I held him accountable no matter what and really pushed him. Told him he sucked at lying and generally just got a long well with him. He said recently that he had a lot of different thoughts over the last year we worked together, but he wouldn't elaborate.

I was told last November that he cried in the lab when he found out my ex had passed. He came to me a few weeks after that and told me he had been praying for me and my daughter and we were in his thoughts...that if I needed anything at all to let him know. There were a few other times when I could feel the chemistry, but he is younger and I was his boss...plus he had a live-in girlfriend, so I dismissed it. One week solid where he waited for me to finish each evening and walked me to my car.

I've just been through a lot of **** ...my ex was not mentally well and it was a relationship I shouldn't have stayed in. I haven't dated since we separated in 2012. This attraction took me by surprise and I just can't seem to quite shake it. It feels fragile and I don't want to ruin it. I'm afraid I already have. Then there is the distance. Can you see my nerves shining through here????

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athenaia
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posted September 15, 2015 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mnm1978:
Never consummated . I was going through a lot this past year, my ex-husband passed away last October, I was finishing my graduate degree, and raising a three year old. He had a girlfriend when I hired him. He apparently proposed to her back in May and she freaked out on him. He really is a sweet, smart guy...who adores my little girl. I was caught off guard when things changed and he said he wanted to sit down and have a heart to heart with me. Then he came to me, but said later he got scared...that he had this whole thing planned out but I wouldn't even look at him. I moved three hours away the next day to be closer to family. I was so nervous about what he wanted to say in this heart to heart that I kind of shot him down. We haven't even spoken on the phone since then. Just some back and forth text messages that changed recently. I think he is out drinking a lot and flirting with other women. I'm beginning to feel like an option instead of a choice...and our communications have changed. He's stopped messaging back and he seems different. It's a lot to handle from a distance, but I can't seem to get it out of my head. It just feels so unresolved and I will admit I can feel the chemistry even across this distance. I think I'm going to have to "let it go" for now and see if he comes back around... Not sure on his exact birth time to answer your question.

I'm so sorry to hear about your husband I hope you and your sweet pea are doing well.

Astrology aside, it sounds like it was a case of both you being at the wrong place at the wrong time. You're still (naturally) grieving your husbands death, he's grieving the loss of his relationship - I absolutely believe you guys have solid chemistry despite these obstacles - but these murky emotional waters are not the best place to lay down the foundations for a relationship.

I believe he may have taken the distance you inadvertently put up between you two as a solidified answer. It's really quite a struggle, because by moving away you're doing the best thing for you and your daughter, but it just didn't coincide with his timing. You were protecting yourself, honestly. He's a 25 year old kid with Pluto dissolving everything he once felt was "real" in his life and you were probably a major source of stability and comfort for him... but taking on that kind of emotional burden is not what you need to do right now, you know? Hopefully he'll come around <3

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mnm1978
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posted September 16, 2015 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. The last few weeks before I moved were really hard because I felt quite torn. I knew/know that I was/am doing the best/right thing for my daughter, but the new feelings made it hard. I don't feel like that every day. I hate to think it's gone for good especially with someone who knew me for so long and still wanted something more . A part of me just wants to know if it's completely gone for good though so I can completely let go.

Just to clarify...we had been divorced for a year when my ex passed. Still hard though.

I've stuck the composite in here as well just to see if it gives a different view...

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mnm1978
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posted September 16, 2015 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not good at interpreting composites. Is there anything in particular I should be focused on?

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theunknown
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posted September 16, 2015 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your composite has a stellium in 12th. Your emotional nature is hidden

then you have jupiter and mars in 8th. Passionate and also upper secretive

Saturn trine mars and venus although wide (5 degree) indicate a level of stability

venus square uranus indicates this relationship as being out of the norm or with odd arrangement. Pluto trine sun and mercury brings natural depth to the relationship

The composite is good over all, except moon, saturn and pluto all in 12th means not only your emotional nature is hidden, there's a paternal feel to how you two relate to each other emotionally adding to the transformation, death and rebirth of your spirituality.

what's wary to me is that you two have moon-pluto conjunction and that stellium in composite. Yet, natally, you are not a particularly plutonic person. Your moon conjunct neptune and your sun conjunct chiron, showing that you have many challenges with wounding and healing.

Natally, he is also a heavy fire/air with a retrograde mars. It just seems like this relationship can be too much for you two because natally you aren't all that up for plutonic businesses.

your house overlay for his chart is good but he doesn't completely cover your 5th, 7th and 8th ruler. He seems to be more attracted to you than you are and maybe that's why he came up to you first and you felt like you were a "choice."

I dont think this will fare as a successful relationship given the odds.

But that's just my opinion I'm not an astrologer in any way, shape or form.

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mnm1978
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posted September 16, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it really a stellium if there are only 3 planets in the composite 12th? Just curious.

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posted September 16, 2015 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mnm1978:
Is it really a stellium if there are only 3 planets in the composite 12th? Just curious.

I count 3. Some people count 4.

But the interpretation remains regardless of what you want to call it.

lemme know if you think the interpretation is correct

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posted September 16, 2015 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not really sure . I'm a bit of a conundrum myself, so I'm not sure I'm understanding some of what you are stating.

I've been through a lot of rebirth myself over the past few years. Tearing everything down to the foundations and starting over. Questioning everything I know and building my life to make sure I am living every day. What scares me the most in life is not loving fully. Never having that with someone else...but a double-edged sword since it is what makes me hold people at bay. I've kept myself emotionally, physically, and psychologically out of the love game for the past three years since my separation. My ex-husband, whom I was with for eight years, had undisclosed bipoloar and borderline personality disorders. There was a lot that I simply didn't see with him because it wasn't who I was. So in hindsight, it's definitely made me more cautious and less naive. I've done a lot of healing, but I'm afraid to be hurt again or misread someone. I do have a lot of feelings for this person that have taken me by surprise. Like I said...I've blocked a lot of that for the past three years and I am GREAT at separating personal and professional pieces of my life. I wasn't looking for that type of relationship at work.

But don't get me wrong. I would in a heartbeat give everything up for love. Life is short and I learned that very clearly last year. This person kind of feels like home and I feel a pull for him.

I kept what was brewing between us quiet from the rest of his previous team members after he left because I definitely felt like I was crossing a line...he used to be my employee and I still wasn't sure what the status was with the person he proposed to. I think he wants me to see the best version of him and I don't think he really wanted me to know she turned him down. Things between us hadn't changed at the point that I learned this had happened, so I think some of the earlier communications were about him saving face. I've definitely held his feet to the fire over the past year and watched his face tense multiple times when I called him out on his ******** . We have a very honest relationship that way. We've both owned up to being scared by whatever these feelings are and he has owned to not wanting to talk about things except in person. Which is hard since I now live three hours away.

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posted September 16, 2015 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In your natal chart, you have pluto and north node in 8th in Libra. Plus you have Mars in Leo. Given transit Pluto has been in Capricorn and Uranus in Aries as well as transit Saturn was in Scorpio, I have no doubts that in the past 4 years you went through a lot.

And I hope all the best for you theses coming year with t.Uranus and Pluto squaring.

That said he's a very young person. Take it this way. Many of us with plutonic chart still find plutonic relationships draining.


Of course, I don't think you should give up on him base on chart along. His moon is in your 8th and your sun is in his 8th so there's mirroring going on that aide you two to understand your 8th house natures.
With composite Jupiter in 8th, maybe luck would come your way. Just take these analysis into consideration and play by ear.

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posted September 16, 2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is very young...you are correct. Part of my apprehension, especially with a little girl I have to protect as well. She adores him and he her when they have been around each other...long before this.

Historically I've just run. I don't want to repeat the past, but don't want to make an ass of myself either. Basically...personal intimacy and certainty is not my forte at the moment.

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posted September 16, 2015 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was born the same day as you, in the uk and my asc is in scorpio ... But my chart looks the same as yours otherwise. I've had to grow a lot and experienced some difficult times the last few years, especially regards to love

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posted September 16, 2015 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Florence - hello bday twin . Grow over the last few years is definitely an understatement! I feel like I should break old habits to try for new results...but I'm still too confused on what the new "actions" should be to move forward. Growth can suck sometimes. Can't loves just be easy??? Lol.

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posted September 17, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mnm1978:
Florence - hello bday twin . Grow over the last few years is definitely an understatement! I feel like I should break old habits to try for new results...but I'm still too confused on what the new "actions" should be to move forward. Growth can suck sometimes. Can't loves just be easy??? Lol.

Hello! Never saw anyone on here with the same bday if I had to describe how I feel now mostly it would be confusion and being stuck. Although also starting to see a small light & the reasons for the hard times. Hope this is true for both of us

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posted September 17, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Florence - I agree! Starting to see the light and feel relief from all the chaos and hardship of the past few years!

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posted September 17, 2015 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else care to weigh-in on either the synastry, composite, or both? With two slightly different opinions based on different reports, just looking for a third to round out. Not that I don't realize that life is what you make of your stars....

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posted September 18, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mnm1978:
Anyone else care to weigh-in on either the synastry, composite, or both? With two slightly different opinions based on different reports, just looking for a third to round out. Not that I don't realize that life is what you make of your stars....

Is there anything I said that you need clarification?

This is gonna be an intense relationship for sure. You can go with your intuition and test out the window after. But moon-Pluto conjunct is a connection you'll never forget. It'll suck you in.
Buckle up!

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posted September 18, 2015 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just running scared, honestly, at this point. I worked so hard to shut out feelings and emotions when divorcing, and even afterwards, with my ex in order to protect me. I've alway been more head than good at working with my heart and that was definitely abused in that relationship. I think I successfully tricked myself into not really seeing this person or acknowledging feelings...and now they seem to all be rushing in now that I'm miles away. I'm freaking crying for ***** sake. I miss someone I never would have expected to miss and I can't even really point out why or what, just that I feel a hole. I dream about him. My thoughts wander to if he's okay.

My head says to let him be. What could he possibly want with this chaos from me? Plus, he wasn't responding anyway before I deleted him from phone. Not that I was expressing emotions or my feelings anyway. The battle is between my head, which I normally make all choices with to protect me, and my feelings, which I am much less comfortable with. I don't want regrets. I don't want to wonder in ten years if he's happy.

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posted September 18, 2015 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't blame you. Moon-Pluto is very hard to break.

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posted September 21, 2015 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mnm1978     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quite honestly, it sorta feels like I'm the one who has the feelings and he doesnt at this point. So the unrequited feels like it's on my end, not his.

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