posted September 19, 2015 08:25 PM            

I don't see how they would not be relevant when they are so powerful in the natal and regular synastry.

posted September 20, 2015 07:59 AM            

I guess I'd wondered because I don't see many people talking about them with progressions.

I was hoping that in my case, I can feel something building with someone which I think is still taking its time so not yet immediate but it feels like we both know it. There's still things the universe needs to take care of. We have no ideal sun/Venus aspects in progressions. However, when looking at declinations, I'm wondering whether they might say something about this 'feeling'.

posted September 20, 2015 08:37 AM            

"his pVenus 20.23N
My pSun 20.51N"
also, still too far, maybe a foreshadowing happening, as with above, check if the parallel is applying or separating. (you will have to check for another date some weeks/months later, so you see into which direction they are progressing).

since the orbs of both Sun-Venus-parallels are suspiciously close to each other, I would check the progressd composite. Maybe they are aligned there close to exactness already.

"y nVenus 22.58N
His pMars 24.32N"
That one is far out of orb. Yes I know it does not look like it is. But especially in that area of the declinations (near the tropics), the planets are so slow, they take AGES.

Example?

my nVenus: 24°06 S
my pMars: 23°52 S

Looks quite close, right? After all it is a mere 14 minute orb.

However

being so close to the tropic, it changed direction in 2010 and started its way down in declination again; back then it was at 23°53 S, so it took five years to travel about one minute in the declinations!

See why the orb has to be so tight, it feels almost ridiculous?
At least near the tropics it HAS to be that tight.

Tracking my pMars some more, let`s say 5 years into the future, in 2020 we find this:

pMars: 23°45 S

So actually it quickens a little, but seriously, in those following years even quickening the speed a little, it will still travel only 7 minutes of orb.

BTW it had never been in orb for a close parallel to my nVenus, as it did not go as far out of bounds as her position is.

However, the co-declination of my Venus is at 22°47 S.
my pMars was at that exact degree in 1988 (yes I know, long ago, I was just 13 years old then ); it was also the first time I fell in love, okay, got REALLY infatuated with a boy. LOL There seems to be something to that co-declination-thing after all!

(it will touch that point in 20 years again, doubtful I will fall in love then. )

Nevertheless, as I see in your case his pMars is out of bounds, too, so I put it into the calculator here.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/declination/

So the co-declination of his pMars is 22°21 N, which is suspiciously close to your n Venus, even if out of orb. I wonder into which direction his Mars travels; Mars can actually go up to 27° out of bounds, before going back down again, so it depends, is he going up or is he going down already?

If he is already on his way down, he is slowly approaching your n Venus (by co-declination), but of course as you have seen, this could take easily some 20 years until he comes into orb. You will have to check it manually, by checking some dates in the future.

posted September 20, 2015 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"my pVenus 9.30N
his nSun is 10.0N, "
Still too far, but check if your p Venus might get closer in a few weeks/months.
Maybe you feel a "foreshadowing", but it`s not yet in the "event-area".

"his pVenus 20.23N
My pSun 20.51N"
also, still too far, maybe a foreshadowing happening, as with above, check if the parallel is applying or separating. (you will have to check for another date some weeks/months later, so you see into which direction they are progressing).

since the orbs of both Sun-Venus-parallels are suspiciously close to each other, I would check the progressd composite. Maybe they are aligned there close to exactness already.

"y nVenus 22.58N
His pMars 24.32N"
That one is far out of orb. Yes I know it does not look like it is. But especially in that area of the declinations (near the tropics), the planets are so slow, they take AGES.

Example?

my nVenus: 24°06 S
my pMars: 23°52 S

Looks quite close, right? After all it is a mere 14 minute orb.

However

being so close to the tropic, it changed direction in 2010 and started its way down in declination again; back then it was at 23°53 S, so it took five years to travel about one minute in the declinations!

See why the orb has to be so tight, it feels almost ridiculous?
At least near the tropics it HAS to be that tight.

Tracking my pMars some more, let`s say 5 years into the future, in 2020 we find this:

pMars: 23°45 S

So actually it quickens a little, but seriously, in those following years even quickening the speed a little, it will still travel only 7 minutes of orb.

BTW it had never been in orb for a close parallel to my nVenus, as it did not go as far out of bounds as her position is.

However, the co-declination of my Venus is at 22°47 S.
my pMars was at that exact degree in 1988 (yes I know, long ago, I was just 13 years old then ); it was also the first time I fell in love, okay, got REALLY infatuated with a boy. LOL There seems to be something to that co-declination-thing after all!

(it will touch that point in 20 years again, doubtful I will fall in love then. )

Nevertheless, as I see in your case his pMars is out of bounds, too, so I put it into the calculator here.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/declination/

So the co-declination of his pMars is 22°21 N, which is suspiciously close to your n Venus, even if out of orb. I wonder into which direction his Mars travels; Mars can actually go up to 27° out of bounds, before going back down again, so it depends, is he going up or is he going down already?

If he is already on his way down, he is slowly approaching your n Venus (by co-declination), but of course as you have seen, this could take easily some 20 years until he comes into orb. You will have to check it manually, by checking some dates in the future.

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ah yes i understand, thanks Ceri. Wow i had no idea declinations were soooooo slow!

So I checked the regular progressed composite, nothing to note there.

However, his pVENUS and my pSUN are in fact applying. They will be exact in Sep 2016 at 20.40N.

I hadn't thought of the co-declinations.
His pMars is applying to my nVENUS.
So around that same time:
His pMARS 22.24N (co-dec) and my nVENUS 22.58N.
Still too far right?

Not sure if you use solar arcs but his saMARS is also applying to my nVENUS. It'll be 23.22 (co-dec). So close yet so far! but at least its applying.

posted September 20, 2015 11:07 PM            

But his pVENUS conjunct SUN sextile my pSUN conjunct VENUS, conjunct PLUTO and his MARS.

posted September 21, 2015 02:23 AM            

I had asked this of Paul Westran himself once and he emphasized orbs, too.

Btw, how do you find co-declinations?

Thanks!
Tara.

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Originally posted by EmGem:
ah yes i understand, thanks Ceri. Wow i had no idea declinations were soooooo slow!

So I checked the regular progressed composite, nothing to note there.

However, his pVENUS and my pSUN are in fact applying. They will be exact in Sep 2016 at 20.40N.

I hadn't thought of the co-declinations.
His pMars is applying to my nVENUS.
So around that same time:
His pMARS 22.24N (co-dec) and my nVENUS 22.58N.
Still too far right?

Not sure if you use solar arcs but his saMARS is also applying to my nVENUS. It'll be 23.22 (co-dec). So close yet so far! but at least its applying.

Oh and we met last year pretty much when my pSUN was conjunct my nVENUS

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posted September 21, 2015 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by tara19:
Quick drive by posting here as I am still in the middle of a move etc...

I had asked this of Paul Westran himself once and he emphasized orbs, too.

Btw, how do you find co-declinations?

Thanks!
Tara.

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There's actually a handy calculation tool which I discuss in this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002908.html

posted September 21, 2015 03:05 AM            

Are we talking antiscia here, then? I'm a tad confused. Maybe the late hour?

Sorry...

Tara.

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
There's actually a handy calculation tool which I discuss in this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/002908.html

You'll see the co-declination (or antiscion) as part of the calculation.

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posted September 21, 2015 03:50 AM            

welcome back.

this converter gives co-declinations (as well as the longitudinal equivalent) up to 30°.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/declination/

On the Sun-Venus-business, I found it always funny, that P had his pSun conjunct nVenus PRECISE, down to the exact minute, when we first met (that precise conjunction covered a timeframe of only 5 days, and we met on the 3rd day. lol)

Ii did not have that, instead I had pVenus conjunct nMoon, but it was already separating by 0°56.

Well additionally that week my pSun changed into Aquarius, and my pMoon had just entered Taurus, so there was a waxing quarter Moon for me. 0°33 s.

posted September 21, 2015 03:48 PM            

This is what I see when I enter my sun's deks (can you see this?):

Enter declination: 20 South 28 (I entered that)
then it gave me this:

Declination: 20S28
Equivalent longitudes: 01Sag31 and 28Cap28
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Does that look kosher to you? WHat am I missing?

Also, I need to discuss more with Mir and you about my experience with sun/moon prog with someone... very interesting!! And also the retrograde motion of P Venus finishing off the natal/prog trine. I definitely found other instances of this... more later...

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hi Tara,

welcome back.

this converter gives co-declinations (as well as the longitudinal equivalent) up to 30°.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/declination/

On the Sun-Venus-business, I found it always funny, that P had his pSun conjunct nVenus PRECISE, down to the exact minute, when we first met (that precise conjunction covered a timeframe of only 5 days, and we met on the 3rd day. lol)

Ii did not have that, instead I had pVenus conjunct nMoon, but it was already separating by 0°56.

Well additionally that week my pSun changed into Aquarius, and my pMoon had just entered Taurus, so there was a waxing quarter Moon for me. 0°33 s.

Well of course nothing really happened between us, but I found it interesting nevertheless.

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posted September 21, 2015 03:50 PM            

that is what we are talking about, right? Progressed Sun/Venus?

Thanks much,
Tara.

quote:

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Originally posted by EmGem:
I just calculated and my sun/Venus conjunction was dead on exact when we met! Gee no wonder haha.
He had his pAsc conjunct his pVenus but separating 2 degrees.

Interestingly, not sure about this but he will be experiencing an exact progressed lunar return in sep 2016 too, which will conjunct both our nMoons and with that exact pSun/pVenus parallel. Plus my pMoon will have just changed into Aquarius, trining his pVenus.
Hoping that will generate something..

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posted September 21, 2015 04:18 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by tara19:
Thanks Ceri for the welcome. Just so glad to be able to post again on one of my favorite forums with you all!

This is what I see when I enter my sun's deks (can you see this?):

Enter declination: 20 South 28 (I entered that)
then it gave me this:

Declination: 20S28
Equivalent longitudes: 01Sag31 and 28Cap28
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Does that look kosher to you? WHat am I missing?

Also, I need to discuss more with Mir and you about my experience with sun/moon prog with someone... very interesting!! And also the retrograde motion of P Venus finishing off the natal/prog trine. I definitely found other instances of this... more later...

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tara,

your planet is not out of bounds, therefore there is no co-declination needed!
It looks all very kosher.

posted September 21, 2015 06:25 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by tara19:
Hi EmGem, someone I'm involved with had the same Sun/Venus (P) exact, only Venus was retrograding back....

that is what we are talking about, right? Progressed Sun/Venus?

Thanks much,
Tara.

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Yep, that's right Tara, although it was progressed sun to natal Venus

did you have any notable progressions going on when you met?

posted September 21, 2015 07:52 PM            

That's a beautiful match with both your progressions it was clearly meant to be at the right time.

posted September 27, 2015 03:33 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
tara,

your planet is not out of bounds, therefore there is no co-declination needed!
It looks all very kosher.

And I cannot wait to discuss these things with you again. Sun-Moon-cycles are so important, and like clockwork. I mean they really are I guess. lol

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Ohhh!!! I totally missed that. Silly me

I can't wait either, Ceri. I just finalized my move. I'm so tired these days... slept for 13 hours last night. Will come back later this week...

Did I say I'm so happy you and Randall fixed my account so I can post again?!

TTYL. xoxo

posted September 27, 2015 03:37 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Yep, that's right Tara, although it was progressed sun to natal Venus

did you have any notable progressions going on when you met?

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Hi EmGem, yes we did - a number of them, but the orbs were still pretty wide. And we had deks and longis... I will come back with the charts next time. That's the reason I believe progs are relative to the relationship. Paul was correct when he said that the orbs are not in stone. If a couple feels something while the orb is around 4 degrees, then it may take that long for the embers to fizzle on the other side of the peak (so to speak).

BBL...

posted September 27, 2015 04:09 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by EmGem:
That's right Auby, it's freaky how dead on the conjunction was on that day. It also inspired me to leave my unhappy marriage I'm sure.

That's a beautiful match with both your progressions it was clearly meant to be at the right time.

So, while we're on the subject, are there any other markers from natal to prog or vice versa or prog to prog that may signal the start of an inner desire for relationship?

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Huh. Well, meeting him just hit me square out of the blue; I don't think he was seeking a relationship, either. Actually, I KNOW that he wasn't. But what's interesting is how the progressions moved after we'd met, up to the point where, 3 years later, we decided it was time to do this thing for real.