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Topic: Amor 1221 is just as important and meaningful as Valentine 447 in synastry, Why?
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 01:43 PM
  
This word has really been apart of my life and I feel i know the true meaning behind it because i come from a latino family being born with my first language spanish. I feel that amor has been really discouraged here on LL (i could be wrong)...but i don't see a lot of people giving Amor any credit in Astrology as much as Valentine. In the spanish language when we refer to the word "amor" we automatically think of a lover, wife, girlfriend/boyfriend. "Amor" is generally meant to say in the romantic unconditional love sense. Now there could be an argument about this, but from my culture and my experience in Tradition when using this word you don't say it towards our friends, parents etc. because again the word "Amor" means a desire and unconditional love in the romantic sense, its a "feeling" of romance. Possibly in modern day, you can say amor to your siblings and your parents but traditionally it is not used that way, as traditionally people will look at you with disgust for saying "te amo" or "eres mi amor" because amar, amor, amo, enamorado is generally a 'desire'. Now the word "Amar" is a verb to "love" which is exclusively use for let's say the one and only really true love of your life, the person your so crazy about that you get really really really really really really nervous when you are close to her/him. Here are some other things i found interesting in regards to the word "Amor". "Amor is the Latin word for "love." Amor was the son of Venus. He was born from a golden egg. He was a small person with wings. Amor carried around a bow and some arrows. He would shoot the arrow at a victim and once it struck the victim's heart, the victim would fall in love. Amor is used as a synonym for the Roman god, Cupid." "Amor is Latin, Romanian, Portuguese and Spanish for love." "Amor is named after the Roman god of love, better known as Cupid.[1] See also 763 Cupido and 433 Eros, which is named after Cupid's Greek counterpart. Coincidentally, 433 Eros, like 1221 Amor, makes close approaches to Earth. It is a Mars-crosser as well." I understand that our Cultures here on LL also vary in meaning when it comes to using asteroids such as amor and valentine IMO, but i could be wrong. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted September 27, 2015 02:02 PM
Thank you for this!Someone, possibly an astrologer, related Amor to unconditional, but platonic love, and from there other astrologers tradited it like that.
Personally I feel it might have been confused with "Caritas". Amor itself is really much more romantic, though also coming with that deep feeling and care. I pay a lot of attention to Amor actually. I have usually seen him at least equally active as Valentine (in my own charts, usually more). IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you for this!Someone, possibly an astrologer, related Amor to unconditional, but platonic love, and from there other astrologers tradited it like that.
Personally I feel it might have been confused with "Caritas". Amor itself is really much more romantic, though also coming with that deep feeling and care. I pay a lot of attention to Amor actually. I have usually seen him at least equally active as Valentine (in my own charts, usually more).
your welcome Ceridwen, that's great that you have found amor quite active in charts, i honestly have seen the same equally and even more on amor, i have to agree, which is why i had to research behind the whole meaning of valentine vs amor. ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 02:44 PM
I interpret Amor as what it is. Love. Unadulterated, unquestionable. The power of love in relationship and our love for ourselves and others makes the world go round. It is THE guiding light and principle of life... there can be no better motivation than Amor. It is unconditional in nature, it is True Love, selfless at its core, unwavering in its truthfulness and feeling of rightness. So when it is activated in synastry we certainly feel inspired! IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I interpret Amor as what it is. Love. Unadulterated, unquestionable. The power of love in relationship and our love for ourselves and others makes the world go round. It is THE guiding light and principle of life... there can be no better motivation than Amor. It is unconditional in nature, it is True Love, selfless at its core, unwavering in its truthfulness and feeling of rightness. So when it is activated in synastry we certainly feel inspired!
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I interpret Amor as what it is. Love. Unadulterated, unquestionable. The power of love in relationship and our love for ourselves and others makes the world go round. It is THE guiding light and principle of life... there can be no better motivation than Amor. It is unconditional in nature, it is True Love, selfless at its core, unwavering in its truthfulness and feeling of rightness. So when it is activated in synastry we certainly feel inspired!
sorry i meant this one!!! thumps up!!! all the way!!! ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted September 27, 2015 02:53 PM
lolIt is funny they are quite close for me personally. Valentine 27 Scorpio Amor 02 Sagittarius
and then LIEBE (the german word for love) on 00 Sagittarius right on their midpoint - it`s a love fest in my 12th house! 
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
lolIt is funny they are quite close for me personally. Valentine 27 Scorpio Amor 02 Sagittarius
and then LIEBE (the german word for love) on 00 Sagittarius right on their midpoint - it`s a love fest in my 12th house!
oh yeah that is definitely a love fest!! lol ------------------
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Aubyanne
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posted September 27, 2015 03:13 PM
Huh.Well, it would create a greater resonance between his MADHATTER conjunct VALENTINE (0º) and my ALICE conjunct AMOR (0º). IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 03:19 PM
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In the spanish language when we refer to the word "amor" we automatically think of a lover, wife, girlfriend/boyfriend. "Amor" is generally meant to say in the romantic unconditional love sense. Now there could be an argument about this, but from my culture and my experience in Tradition when using this word you don't say it towards our friends, parents etc. because again the word "Amor" means a desire and unconditional love in the romantic sense, its a "feeling" of romance. Possibly in modern day, you can say amor to your siblings and your parents but traditionally it is not used that way, as traditionally people will look at you with disgust for saying "te amo" or "eres mi amor" because amar, amor, amo, enamorado is generally a 'desire'. Now the word "Amar" is a verb to "love" which is exclusively use for let's say the one and only really true love of your life, the person your so crazy about that you get really really really really really really nervous when you are close to her/him.
I can see why you would be confused by non-Spanish speaking astrologers saying it was a platonic asteroid when the overwhelming colloquial resonance of the word on planet earth is basically the opposite. We've gotta be careful not to rely on obscure mythological references to Asteroid names whose present colloquial usage gives tremendous meaning in the collective human psyche... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 03:21 PM
Incidentally I have Amor (7° Aqua) conjunct Pallas (6°).I'll have to think about that one more. It's elusive to me though perhaps simultaneously all-pervading and so, difficult to see... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Huh.Well, it would create a greater resonance between his MADHATTER conjunct VALENTINE (0º) and my ALICE conjunct AMOR (0º).
That is super cute ♡ IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 27, 2015 03:37 PM
Even mythologically AMOR was the God of love, not platonic love, but in the story we like to reference so much, the masculine counterpart is ALWAYS referred to as AMOR or CUPID. Though Amor really means "love" and Cupido "desire".
But Amor in Latin means actually more: love, affection, even infatuation and passion, though that romantic love is always based on a lot of caring, too.
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Aubyanne
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posted September 27, 2015 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
That is super cute ♡
Heh. It's a very powerful conjunction -- anything with VALENTINE. And since so much pain, corruption, and devastation is wrapped up in his MADHATTER, really, only VALENTINE could clear the depth of that karma. But I always wondered about why my AMOR and ALICE. If he was bringing the essence of true love through his MADHATTER, then am I bringing unconditional love? That would be true; it does make sense. Or is it just a true love signature across the board? Natally uniting these principles? His MADHATTER is contraparallel my ALICE. That is hardly coincidental. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Heh. It's a very powerful conjunction -- anything with VALENTINE. And since so much pain, corruption, and devastation is wrapped up in his MADHATTER, really, only VALENTINE could clear the depth of that karma.But I always wondered about why my AMOR and ALICE. If he was bringing the essence of true love through his MADHATTER, then am I bringing unconditional love? That would be true; it does make sense. Or is it just a true love signature across the board? Natally uniting these principles? His MADHATTER is contraparallel my ALICE. That is hardly coincidental.
i believe its a true love signature across the board and the contra parallel you have there is definitely imo something we can't ignore here between his madhatter and your alice. that is quite interesting. ------------------
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 06:01 PM
@everyoneyou guys should check this out too if your curious.... 160 Una
1221 Amor una amor means one love.  lol my una at 19 aries in the 7th house
my amor at 19 pisces in the 6th house
we got a semi-sextile here...crazy and weird enough my Una at 19 aries is conjunct/opposite her vertex at 20 aries in the 7th house and my last name at 19 libra in her 1st house, my amor semi-sextile and contra parallel exact her vertex as well. ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 06:45 PM
Sigh... my Una 27 Virgo, his Una 27 Cancer...composite Una conjunct his Venus at 27 Leo, the sextile/semi-sextile action is definitely felt here. It's annoying how much confirmation there is of this relationship when it's simultaneously so difficult! Out of place update: we're texting all the time... Agreeing that living in different cities (2 hours away) is going to allow our relationship to flourish in a more healthy way and take a different direction than smothering infuriating constant companionship feels good... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 06:48 PM
I'm liberally reading Una out of the context you were recommending, heh. I should compare it with Amor too I suppose. I'm reading it a bit like Union, partly because of the alliteration I suspect, but I'm probably being too liberal equating "one" with "oneness." Is the word una ever used as in "we are one"?IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 06:54 PM
Nice to have a 7th house vertex I imagine! And nice to have found you, feeling that you are one with her fated being in this world, and lovin' it!!.. (??) IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Sigh... my Una 27 Virgo, his Una 27 Cancer...composite Una conjunct his Venus at 27 Leo, the sextile/semi-sextile action is definitely felt here. It's annoying how much confirmation there is of this relationship when it's simultaneously so difficult! Out of place update: we're texting all the time... Agreeing that living in different cities (2 hours away) is going to allow our relationship to flourish in a more healthy way and take a different direction than smothering infuriating constant companionship feels good...
woooooww composite una on his venus that's significant there yeah i understand well i certainly don't think distance will hurt your relationship unless you the clingy type do you have strong uranus or a independent venus placement? lol ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 06:58 PM
His Amor is retrograde but it's conjunct my North Node, 3 degrees off. I feel it. In some ways it's not enough but it does serve to soften the blows quite a bit. And maybe in some way, it's a "love is all you need" message... Not "love is all you need to do ANYTHING including getting along all the time, " (though maybe, just maybe...) But certainly, it will be fulfilling to focus on the true Love that is freely offered and felt, with no strings.... He's showing me that reality now. I've all but completely broken up with him and he is taking it in stride and treating me with respect and willingness to still find the middle ground and love me from a respectful distance. It is deeply healing for me... I deeply appreciate it. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I'm liberally reading Una out of the context you were recommending, heh. I should compare it with Amor too I suppose. I'm reading it a bit like Union, partly because of the alliteration I suspect, but I'm probably being too liberal equating "one" with "oneness." Is the word una ever used as in "we are one"?
oh no not at all, i think venus and tuna definitely to me resonates very exact to "one love" cause again venus in the natal represents in a male's chart that its the girl he goes wild for and the type of love he expresses and would like to receive etc. I'm sure you know a lot about venus in synastry una is like union, i definitely see it in that way as well. ------------------
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2015 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by angel4845:
woooooww composite una on his venus that's significant there yeah i understand well i certainly don't think distance will hurt your relationship unless you the clingy type do you have strong uranus or a independent venus placement? lol
In composite we have a loose Venus/Uranus square, the distance and ingenuity is required for the positive aspects of the composite to flourish, I'm thinking.
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Nice to have a 7th house vertex I imagine! And nice to have found you, feeling that you are one with her fated being in this world, and lovin' it!!.. (??)
yessss i hope so i think its mutual because my vertex is also in the 7th house haha its conjunct her DESC. square her IC/MSC/AMOR/NEPTUNE. LOL ------------------
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angel4845
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posted September 27, 2015 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
In composite we have a loose Venus/Uranus square, the distance and ingenuity is required for the positive aspects of the composite to flourish, I'm thinking.
oh sorry i meant do YOU have strong uranus in your natal? where's your natal venus? ------------------
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