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Topic: it's impossible to break the bound. Help.
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Marandana
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posted September 28, 2015 10:44 PM
  
We're both very similar that's why this is not working like we'd like to. We share the same rising sign and sometimes it's difficult to cope with, but you gotta get up and try, our issue here, is that we have been trying to make this work for a long time and we still have some problems to overcome, the attraction is really strong, and I want to break the bound but it feels impossible  S.O.S   IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 28, 2015 10:53 PM
Its a nice synastry and composite! but I am worried about the red moon squaring both chirons and Neptune-Uranus conjunct Saturn-Neptune. That is like a heartbreak tsquare waiting to be activated but I love the synastry and composite otherwise and perhaps that chiron will be used for healing together, I am rooting for you both.Who is RED? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:01 PM
Strange... The person I'm presently failing to properly cut ties with and I also have ascendants conjunct in Scorpio; his Pluto is conjunct his ascendant but from the 12th, and my Pluto is in our first house, also. This mutual Scorpio Pluto ascendant business is very compelling and intense... I feel for you but I'm unsure how to advise--I know myself how difficult it is to break ties even when you know it's not working well for either of you, if there's still enough love and passion and willingness to work on it from both parties.Right now, simplistically, I'm lookin at that composite moon inconjunct Venus, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto... Would be really hard for the relationship to clearly understand itself on an emotional level, profound confusion and discord which would indeed feel very difficult to give proper credit or to address with any measure of clarity. I understand your frustration. The moon only positively aspects the MC, so the only emotionally satisfying aspect of the relationship itself will be in the public's eyes, and that is a semi-sextile and so it needs to be worked at too. The identity of the relationship is also afflicted in this way by the composite moon. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:14 PM
I'm looking at all the positive Saturn aspects in the composite now.. There's clearly positive karma which can be generated between you two, and by compassionately working on resolving your issues and honouring one another you are doing a lot of good. So there's that, and I'm sure along with the composite Pluto conjunct Venus and Mars in the 1st, the relationship is deeply compelling and probably wildly passionate and intense!... so... Take comfort in knowing of the positive karma Saturn is bestowing? The Cloud which the composite moon is in may be a necessary one for the work which needs doing between you two to get done, in order to fulfill your North Nodes' Aquarius missions, you might have to be kept in the dark emotionally on some level... That's right for at least one of you given the trine from composite moon to that one NN. Probably not pleasant to be so confused though ♡♡♡ it will be ok. I'd like to see these charts with 1221 Amor, 447 Valentine, 249521 Truth, and 3811 Karma in the asteroid box, if you please... And any others you deem significant? IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 28, 2015 11:15 PM
@hypatia238 Red is him. Why?I know, I feel the heartbreak you just talk about it's already happening. @yungang, do you understand me? it's very hard for scorpios to open up, it has been one of our biggest problems, yes the physical attraction is there, but we refuse to talk about feelings. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its a nice synastry and composite! but I am worried about the red moon squaring both chirons and Neptune-Uranus conjunct Saturn-Neptune. That is like a heartbreak tsquare waiting to be activated but I love the synastry and composite otherwise and perhaps that chiron will be used for healing together, I am rooting for you both.Who is RED?
yes.... it is Blue's North Node which benefits most by the composite moon and understands or senses best how the confused emotional nature of the relationship is furthering their mission on earth, whereas Red's moon has that hefty chiron baggage to carry... activates the pain of both parties... (Good observation... I posted before I saw your reply, hypatia, or I would have taken it into account from the outset! Are you very into Magi astrology?) IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 28, 2015 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Marandana:
@hypatia238 Red is him. Why?I know, I feel the heartbreak you just talk about it's already happening. @yungang, do you understand me? it's very hard for scorpios to open up, it has been one of our biggest problems, yes the physical attraction is there, but we refuse to talk about feelings.
I feel the red moon person will be more affected by the heart break that is why. You have lilith right on your AC so I am thinking you will move on more quickly than him, he has Pluto on his AC. I hate it when I see a composite and synastry I like and then one thing about it or a transit messes it up . I hope you guys are able to turn this around, I know chiron is hard to deal with, both people have to put pride down and come from a place of unconditional love to make it work. Talk about your feelings guys, both of you if you want to salvage this. Did the relationship start quickly and now is ending out of the blue too? How long have you known him? IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 28, 2015 11:27 PM
@youngang do you want to see synastry and composite charts with the asteroids? or just one of them.
And what does it mean that moon emotional baggage? mom issues? lol Very interesting all the things you said by the way.IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Marandana:
@hypatia238 Red is him. Why?I know, I feel the heartbreak you just talk about it's already happening. @yungang, do you understand me? it's very hard for scorpios to open up, it has been one of our biggest problems, yes the physical attraction is there, but we refuse to talk about feelings.
It must be strange to have Aqua North Nodes when you have Scorpio rising, and yet there's a resonance between Aqua and Scorpio. Feelings are very important for Scorpio, but difficulty exposing them for fear of being hurt or ridiculed certainly can happen. Is that what's holding you back? I would look to your Leo moon for confirmation... is it pride holding you back? (Don't let it--you need to become more detached and look at the bigger picture)
For him and his reluctance to talk i would look at his Pluto in the 12th... And he might be afraid to express his feelings about the relationship because your Lilith is conjunct his ascendant and he fears expressing the darkness of the feminine archetype. This might be tied into the square from his Moon to his (and your) Chiron... Perhaps there is a reluctance to face darkness, which he is nonetheless being faced with. I would be interested to see Antiscia points between the two of you. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:38 PM
Yeah the theme of pride as a cause of suffering will be a big issue for him especially, with his Mars and Venus on his South Node, and your Moon is there too, so you probably feel compassion for his difficulty but some trouble detaching yourself and looking impartially at the issue. Yet this is what the north nodes are hinting you must both do... Think not of your own glory or humiliation; think of how your existence relates to society, to the whole, and of the good you can do in the world. It might not be possible to do it together, as you both are heavily influencing his South Node and possibly hampering one another in releasing the more negative Leonine qualities... But then again he may really benefit by your moon's empathy with his Martian nature... You will be a more healthy emotional expression of that Leo energy overall than him, I think that's part of why the relationship causes him more pain, ultimately... It's gotta be you, you gotta be the one to talk. You're the Mercury in the grand kite. It's your mental processes which come into play to figure out what's going on between you and talk about it! Activate that Grand kite, help him develop his dharma, his Saturn, in a positive way... It will be good! IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 28, 2015 11:39 PM
It feels a bit fated, the first time I saw him, it was five years ago in some church reunion and I instantly liked him, but we didn't talk that time. I remember how he was sitting there so quiet and my friend told me: "Don't talk to him cause he's always grumpy" (lol) But I was fascinated by that. We just looked each other in the distance but that was it for that time and I never saw him again, until last year, when my friend introduced us properly and it was weird. I noticed how he was hitting on me right from the start, but I didn't fall for him until last december. And that's when everything started to fall apart IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:49 PM
Ultimately it seems to me that you are a somewhat more evolved soul who is helping him grow and become more at peace with his karmic past... Your interest in his surlyness at your first sight of him is a strong sign that you might act as an Angel to him... even though things have been falling apart, and it may be your association will only be for a short time, try to remember that there are invisible benefits to the relationship for both of you, and that these are playing out in the realm of spirit. Please add 11911 Angel and 37452 Spirit, synastry and composite if you don't mind.. so interesting it was in a church IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 28, 2015 11:54 PM
It might be mighty challenging because the thing that's fueling the direction of the kite is both of your pain bodies/healing capabilities (Chiron-Chiron at the tail). So you've got to be willing to look at those, as well as his darkness and edgy self-expression (Asc), and your Lilith self, to engage the kite... And possibly that's the tension you two feel when communicating... it might be like, you know if you open your mouths to talk, it is those topics which must be discussed, which are very triggering/difficult/painful/crazy/intense.... And all of this energy is pouring, is finding it's release point, in your conjunct stelliums of karmic outer planets! Very karmic relationship imo...IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted September 29, 2015 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It might be mighty challenging because the thing that's fueling the direction of the kite is both of your pain bodies/healing capabilities (Chiron-Chiron at the tail). So you've got to be willing to look at those, as well as his darkness and edgy self-expression (Asc), and your Lilith self, to engage the kite... And possibly that's the tension you two feel when communicating... it might be like, you know if you open your mouths to talk, it is those topics which must be discussed, which are very triggering/difficult/painful/crazy/intense.... And all of this energy is pouring, is finding it's release point, in your conjunct stelliums of karmic outer planets! Very karmic relationship imo...
Great analysis and mercury is on that kite too oppopsing their AC, Lilith and Pluto. To top it off the tsquare I am talking about with his MOON is tied to kite so he probably feels extra vulnerable about opening up. IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 29, 2015 12:15 AM
OH MY GOD yungang, the REAL angel and messenger here is YOU. Really, I'm on the verge of tears, cause all you have said is something that my intuition has been telling I didn't pay the necesary attention, I was asking for signs everywhere to see if it was work the risk to continue with this or not but you just gave the biggest insight ever, not kidding. I was waiting for him to be the one venting all the feelings but now I know that's my task here. It will take a lot of courage from me to do that, cause I'm afraid my ego is standing in the way but I have to do it. I thought I was the one who owe him all the personal evolution cause he also has helped me a lot in a personal way, I feel more confident and secure thanks to him. Tomorrow I'll post the charts for you to see, thanks a lot.IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 29, 2015 12:16 AM
Poor thing, oh my god. I feel like I'm suffocating him (this is my pisces talking :P)IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 29, 2015 12:31 AM
His Saturn/Neptune conjunction can cause confusion about what's good for him and others.. He needs to make significant sacrifices in this lifetime, especially since it's opposing chiron. Big lessons there for both of you, your Chirons opposing your Saturn-Neptune and Uranus-Neptune, respectively... Since its your Uranus you may be under the impression that pain--and healing-- come at random from outside sources, at turns benevolent and malevolent and surprisingly so each time... Take the reins, if you can, of the force for healing in your own life because you have powerful spiritual tools at your disposal for effecting societal change and personal healing for others too. Just ride the winds and allow it to happen when it comes to you. No need to resist the flow of universal love! It is coursing through you always. Blessings... Good night, I'll try to stop rambling at you!  IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 29, 2015 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Marandana:
OH MY GOD yungang, the REAL angel and messenger here is YOU. Really, I'm on the verge of tears, cause all you have said is something that my intuition has been telling I didn't pay the necesary attention, I was asking for signs everywhere to see if it was work the risk to continue with this or not but you just gave the biggest insight ever, not kidding. I was waiting for him to be the one venting all the feelings but now I know that's my task here. It will take a lot of courage from me to do that, cause I'm afraid my ego is standing in the way but I have to do it. I thought I was the one who owe him all the personal evolution cause he also has helped me a lot in a personal way, I feel more confident and secure thanks to him. Tomorrow I'll post the charts for you to see, thanks a lot.
Oh! I hadn't seen this when I posted last. I'm so glad to be of help! It's good to ask for help. We have helped each other tonight. Thank you for the opportunity to shed light on that which you already knew and had within you all along! :') Your Pisces Sun is shining! Compassion will bring you the relief you seek; remember to show yourself the same compassion, say what you need to say and then take the space you need to heal as well. Honesty is powerful and will likely break down many of the barriers you are facing. As Anne of Green Gables.. Or Miss Stacey... Anyway, somebody once said
"The truth will set you free!" IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 29, 2015 12:40 AM
It is Beautiful that you feel more confident and secure thanks to him! That is worth so, so much. Express gratitude for that! The relationship has many benefits for you both, and the challenges are secret gifts too...IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 29, 2015 02:32 AM
I am stunned how often I find the conjunction of a man's SATURN and a woman's URANUS, in volatile, complicated relationships. I'd think that'd not be much of anything; two outers like that. And yet, I've seen it popping up more and more often. Strange. There may be something to it. IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 29, 2015 02:30 PM
Hello yungang, here it is what you requested me.
(Amor, valentine, truth, karma, angel and spirit)   Really interesting, Angel asteroid in 9th house. Also, May I ask your thoughts on the vertex points? is it common to find them in a tight conjuction? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 29, 2015 03:57 PM
Your Angel-Vertex conjunction in composite confirms my suspicion that your relationship is strongly attuned to help from higher beings, that you were indeed brought together by fate--met in a church!--and that you can access angelic help to bring healing. Amor conjunct Amor on each descendant ensures that you will see one another as embodying the true principle of unconditional love in relationship. A very potent and soothing connection, even in the midst of all the turmoil... you both learn even more about seeing the true light of the Other through this relationship, as each of you actually has a great capacity for appreciating the beauty and divinity of the people in your lives already. This doesn't mean it's always going to be easy, as you've seen, or that it is necessarily meant to last; but it does give us some hope for peaceful resolution and mutual good feelings in the long run, no matter what happens. Especially given that the Angels have ordained this relationship. There is help to be had, just keep asking for it... Access your higher self and the angelic realms; you actually couldn't do anything other than act in this capacity for one another, so have no regrets. Angel-Vertex is very meaningful in my eyes. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 29, 2015 03:59 PM
To answer your question, the Vertices are always conjunct or very nearly conjunct when the Ascendants are conjunct, since the vertex is a calculated point based on the ascendant."The vertex is a point located in the western hemisphere of a chart (the right-hand side) that represents the intersection of the ecliptic and the prime vertical. In astrology, it is considered an auxiliary Descendant. The Anti-Vertex is the point that is exactly opposite the Vertex. Some astrologers refer to the Vertex as the "third angle" of a chart." IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted September 29, 2015 04:10 PM
Awww. They're SUN-ANGEL and MOON-ANGEL. Looks like a soulmate link. Definitely a higher vibration.IP: Logged |
Marandana
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posted September 29, 2015 04:10 PM
Okay, yeah I understand everything really well now, by the way you have great writing skills, I feel like I'm reading a novel or so.Actually I was a bit sceptic about angel guiadance and all that stuff, I do believe in them but more in a religious way better than esoteric one. Anyway, my mom is a truly believer and she actually has an angel therapy oracle, I'll start using those cards to see how they can aid me.
Thank you again!  Your insight has been a really clear and useful one. IP: Logged |
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