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FmVenusWLove
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posted October 05, 2015 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone - was hoping for some possible insight on this. A love interest and I have quite a few planets conjunct House Cusps in Synastry. For example:

My Moon in his 12H conj AC (1)
My Saturn in his 3H conj IC (1)
My Sun in his 8H conj 9HC (1)
My Mars conj his MC (0)
(I'm noticing a pattern, lol)

His Moon in my 4H conj 5HC (1)
His Jupiter in my 11th conj 12HC (1)
His Vx in my 3H conj my IC (1)

We also have wider conjunctions that I didn't include here (including his Mars, Venus, Neptune, and Uranus on my cusps and my Merc, Venus, and Uranus on his). I believe about half of our planets/points are activating a cusp in the other's chart via conjunction.

I guess my biggest question is, would both Houses technically be activated (as in our case where the planet is in one House and then conjunct the cusp of the succeeding House) or would the energy be more prevalent in the cusp House? Just curious how this energy might be felt. We also have a few planets conj it's overlay house (For example, his Venus in my 3H conjs the 3HC). Is this common? Also would any of you consider this significant or worth looking into in some way?

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posted October 05, 2015 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this HAS to be significant my dear...however the expert that knows more about this is LeeLoo where is she?? hopefully she can drop in and give her word, she actually gave me an explnation with my girlfriend's venus in my 8th house conjunct my 9th house cusp exact ill post here below just to help you and get an idea.

"Absolutely! it's just that here we're looking at how planets are activated by aspects. When we talk about overlays, it generally is the house the one that is receptive of the planetary energy (although it is true that the house person would show that planet that particular side of them, mostly, and the planet would be aware of this side, during their interaction). For example, Angel, if her Venus is on your 9th cusp, she probably sees your 8th house side a lot (which makes for another topic here) but probably stimulates you to continue the journey and bring that energy through 9th house means. With her, you probably feel a new 9th house is opening for you, and since it's Venus/9th house, it emphasizes your long-distance connection, but also a need in you to perhaps revisit, reconsider, reinvent your set of values and open to a broader version of them, which may include for instance, other cultures, learning languages, foreign travel, a different set of philosophies, new ideologies, learning to like exotic and foreign lands, cultures, food, music, people and so on. Or, with the cusp conjunction, you may feel your 9th house has never been more touched or activated before, it's as if the person is literally opening the door of this house inside you.

However, we can raise this question: should we consider aspects to cusps? no. why? yes. why? We do consider aspects to the angles. Why not the cusps?
Of course, we do consider the conjunction (which creates a special form of overlay). But how about aspects? Such as a tight trine to a cusp? or a square? PM has his Mars conj my 5th cusp (opp 11th) and exactly sq my 2nd/8th cusp. Would this mean anything, that sq?"-LeeLoo2014

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posted October 05, 2015 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the info Angel4845!

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For example, Angel, if her Venus is on your 9th cusp, she probably sees your 8th house side a lot (which makes for another topic here) but probably stimulates you to continue the journey and bring that energy through 9th house means

That's really interesting. So, just so I'm clear (using the same example since my Sun is in his 8th conj 9th), in my situation, I see his 8H side a lot but he feels it mostly in his 9th? As though I'm opening the door to the energies associated with this House inside him in some way? Am I getting this right? lol

How wide of an orb would one use to look at the cusp conjunctions? Same as regular conjunctions?

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posted October 07, 2015 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 07, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
Thank you for the info Angel4845!

That's really interesting. So, just so I'm clear (using the same example since my Sun is in his 8th conj 9th), in my situation, I see his 8H side a lot but he feels it mostly in his 9th? As though I'm opening the door to the energies associated with this House inside him in some way? Am I getting this right? lol

How wide of an orb would one use to look at the cusp conjunctions? Same as regular conjunctions?



Yes you see his 8th house side a lot and he is feeling it mostly through his 9th.

1 degree is how wide i would go.


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posted October 10, 2015 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting. Thanks angel!!!

Would this be considered a comfortable exchange? As in, would having so many be more stimulating than overwhelming?

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posted October 10, 2015 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
Very interesting. Thanks angel!!!

Would this be considered a comfortable exchange? As in, would having so many be more stimulating than overwhelming?


stimulating then overwhleming imo yes comfortable exchange indeed!

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posted October 11, 2015 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, thank you, Angel I missed this. Well, FMVL, the idea is that with two houses being touched and the planet on cusp (like opening a door) the impact on the house chart is stronger. It's as if the planet is impacting the house on "global" level, if you have more than one of those. Planets on cusps are very common in important synastries. But of course, it has to be mutual, for balance; the one receiving the planets feels the planet person has an overwhelming effect.
The orb has to be max 3, for a cusp conjunction; unless something unusual happens in there, like one planet in, one out, in a conjunction (then it can be up to 5 too), because the "in" planet may drag the "out" planet, by means of the conjunction.
The orbs for angle conj are much wider, can go up to 10.

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posted October 12, 2015 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome - Thank you so much ladies! This is really helpful.

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It's as if the planet is impacting the house on "global" level, if you have more than one of those.

Do you mean that the planet on the cusp has a much more amplified effect in the other person's chart? Sorry, just curious what you mean by "global" lol.

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unless something unusual happens in there, like one planet in, one out, in a conjunction (then it can be up to 5 too), because the "in" planet may drag the "out" planet, by means of the conjunction.

So for example, his Jupiter overlays my 11H and conjuncts my Pluto by 2 degrees in my 12H. Is this what you're referring to? Would my Pluto "drag" that Jupiterian energy into my 12H?

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posted October 12, 2015 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've definitely got plenty of these myself. This is the best way I've seen to interpret it; the energy is taking up some residence in both houses, as it's conjunct a cusp, but in the previous one.

It also means that it's in the shadow of the previous house, and may not be seeing its full expression in that house. This may even lead to it seeming to have greater expression via the house which represents the cusp to which it's conjunct.

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posted October 12, 2015 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
Awesome - Thank you so much ladies! This is really helpful.

So for example, his Jupiter overlays my 11H and conjuncts my Pluto by 2 degrees in my 12H. Is this what you're referring to? Would my Pluto "drag" that Jupiterian energy into my 12H?


I meant the chart sorry impact the chart on a "global" level.
That conjunction is too tight to not be considered a Pluto/Jupiter conj on your cusp.
I meant a more complex configuration where wider orbs may be taken into account.

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posted October 12, 2015 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is an interesting topic!


I certainly have seen and noted that as well in synastries, but curiously never even checked it in my own synastry. lol
(though I do usually keep the orb at 1 degree preferably, maybe 2 degrees, as the cusps are sensitive points; on the other hand I agree with Leeloo that if involved in complex aspect pattern it has to be considered).


It`s hard to believe but I NEVER noticed before that

my NN conjunct his c9: 0°44
his NN conjunct my c9. 4°09

The second one I would think of as too wide of course, but I thought it was still interesting that we both put our NN into each other`s 9th house and quite close to its cusp.

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posted October 12, 2015 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That is an interesting topic!


I certainly have seen and noted that as well in synastries, but curiously never even checked it in my own synastry. lol
(though I do usually keep the orb at 1 degree preferably, maybe 2 degrees, as the cusps are sensitive points; on the other hand I agree with Leeloo that if involved in complex aspect pattern it has to be considered).


It`s hard to believe but I NEVER noticed before that

my NN conjunct his c9: 0°44
his NN conjunct my c9. 4°09

The second one I would think of as too wide of course, but I thought it was still interesting that we both put our NN into each other`s 9th house and quite close to its cusp.


Exactly, that would be an example, I wouldn't ignore that DW, despite the wider orb, especially for a couple of Sag: a NN/9th connection.

In my parents synastry, they have:

his Juno conj her ASC - but already in the 1st, no impact on the 12th. Juno is already "in" but her ingress position is symbolic, it's a bit like saying: my Juno has the key to your 1st house and opened it, you are or will be my Juno.

his Jupiter conj her 2nd cusp (from the 1st, 2 deg). Impact on 1st and 2nd. Opening the 2nd. Her IC is in Taurus. It says: I am claiming two houses here lol and I got the key to your 2nd.

her Lilith conj his 5th, 1 degree in. The guardian and activator of his 5th. Brings a strong Lilith vibe to his 5th.

her NN conj his DSC, less than 1

his Ceres conj her IC in the 3rd, 1 degree. Impact on both 3rd and 4th and IC. A nurturer of both houses, again, claiming more territory here.

His vertex conj her 5th exact. very symbolic. it says: my direction is to live in her 5th house, a mutual activation.

her Moon/Pluto/Ceres conj his MC, already in the 10th

her POF/Union conj his Union on 11th cups, activating idealistic romance here. Impact on 10th and 11th.

her Neptune conj his 12th, already in the 12th.


his Cupido conj her MC exact, impact on 9th and 10th. and MC.

the example you are looking for: her Chiron conj his 2nd exact, his DSC in Taurus. But her Chiron conj her Venus basically falling in his first, but due to his Mars in his 2nd conj Venus here, the whole configuration impacts both 1st and 2nd and we may consider the Chiron/Venus conj impacts both houses.

his Aphrodite conj her 11th exact

his Venus cnj her Mercury near 12th cups, already in

No less than 13 cusp conjunctions in my parents' synastry. and they are mutual, equally distributed.


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posted October 12, 2015 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bruno and Louise Huber (The Astrological Houses - A Psychological View of Man and His World)

"House Cusps are zones of high activity, where energies accumulate most strongly and are intensely directed externally. Planets there react strongly to outside stimulation and gain fulfillment through the environment."


In my synastry I have

His Lilith, beginning of his Lilith Psyche Pallas stellium conj my ASC, already in

my Psyche cnj his 5th (1), already in

my Ceres conj his 6th, already in

my Chiron conj his 8th exact, impacting 7th and 8th

my Uranus conj his 2nd, already in

his Alma/Pholus conj my 2nd, already in

his Chiron conj my Alma on my 3rd, all three exact

his Mars conj my 5th (almost 0) in the 4th, impacting both 4th and 5th

his Saturn/MC conj my 6th exact

my Sun conj his ASC in the 12th and my Mars/Union conj his ASC in the 1st (2)

my Valentine conj his 2nd (1) in the 1st, impacting both 1st and 2nd

his Moon conj my MC (0) impacting MC, and 9th and 10th

his Neptune conj my 11th, already in

IC/12th exact conj


13 too how weird! if I exclude the cusp to angle and treat it as an axis

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