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Cappi112
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posted October 08, 2015 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cappi112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know the obvious - cancer placements, etc.

Was wondering what else people notice in charts of people who are naturally GOOD parents/ nurturers?

Patience and responsibility/ trustworthiness, so maybe some cap.
Carefreeness/ playfulness (to relate to children), so gemini/ libra?

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posted October 09, 2015 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just worked out my Mommy Dearest is a Cappy Asc. Terrible parent. Anything that places responsibility on her will be avoided. Eg. holding the neighbor's spare key. There's also a Saturn in Cap conjunct to this Asc.

Responsibility is a major theme w/ Capricorn, however I believe each Cappy will handle it differently. Some will embrace this, others run from it. So, a person with strong Capricorn is likely to choose a carefree lifestyle while someone else (parents, relations) is raising their children.

It's also an influence that's likely to show up in early/teenage pregnancies. As part of the ole growing up quick theme.

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posted October 09, 2015 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn conjunct Asc. I could see being a very difficult parental figure to have...

we would have to take into account the whole chart to see how their upbringing and attitudes towards their own parents is evolving and see whether there's an impetus to improve upon old patterns. If they've been heavily internalized and there remain blockages to taking full responsibility for our effect on others given our preoccupation with our own pain it's gonna be harder to be a good parent... I would look for an overall Marie well rounded chart which wasn't too self involved or critical.

I would look at positive aspects to Ceres, a strong fourth house, and 4th house ruler in positive aspect to the moon or Venus or Jupiter... or really in positive aspect with anything. 5th house stuff would be happy too....

I dunno though. Those are guesses. I've been wondering if we can track Ceres' involvement in parenting style/attitude towards parenting itself... I have a feeling it's always gonna be significant kinda like Juno almost always shows up in committed relationships. Not enough data though..

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posted October 09, 2015 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An unafflicted Saturn would be a huge bonus.

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posted October 09, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other thing is we're all 'good' parents insofar as we provide the karmic environment deemed necessary by the souls the universe channeled into our lives as little growing people...

We are fulfilling important roles as parents merely by being ourselves, flaws and all--because every aspect of a person can serve as a teacher or a model...

That said, I understand the question is what makes someone good and natural at nurturing and parenting.. and i understand that some people manage to pull this off in a healthy balanced way than others. Everybody's criteria is different. I personally am a home schooler and free schooler--for want of better terms--and I personally like to see a healthy amount of freedom being allowed, so that the kid can develop their own worldview and plan and dream and create their own structure in life, so i would like healthy Uranus aspects, Aquarius and Capricorn highlighted; the transpersonal signs and planets might give especially good awareness of how best to encourage a kid in higher learning and involvement with the collective while remaining detached enough that they don't let ego get in the way of the child's ideal path and manifestation of their own life and dreams. Ego can of course also be a positive force in their development so maybe a balance between houses/signs 1-7 and houses/signs 7-12.... hehe... in other words a perfect chart, please! elements nicely balanced, some squares for drive but not too many--a healthy sense of self worth as well as a willingness and enthusiasm for being of service. A very loving disposition, a nicely placed Venus for art and music in the home...

And again it's gonna be so case specific because even a cancer heavy person can be incredibly selfish, they could have Neptune afflictions, addiction issues, and still want to shower affection and love, but be rarely emotionally present even if they're really inclined to take care of a young person and would identify strongly with parenting as a fulfilling activity... there could be chart factors detracting from their ability to really be there...

The synastry/composite between parent and child seems pretty important in determining how things will go. The child's birth chart configuration also speaks to the parenting they received...

I want to explore Ceres as a primary indicator of abilities and hang-ups in parenting. I really see her primarily as the epitome of nurturing and allowing all things to flourish in their own unique way, providing equally for all things, as well as obviously her myth bring so much about her devotion to her child...

my friend for instance has Moon and Saturn conjunct in Scorpio, bespeaking her critical Scorpio mother, and her Moon/Saturn squares Ceres. I think she has trouble with parenting because emotionally she is so self critical and also hard on others and quite depressive. The square to Ceres indicates to me that this affects her parenting ability. She also has Ceres sextile her Sun indicating, I think, a creative egoic identification with the role of parent, and she derives energy and zeal from this occupation. It is evident in her attitude and lifestyle, her conflicts and aspirations in regards to parenting, this differing attitude of her Sun nature and Moon nature in relation to Ceres... Notably her father is generally considered by she and her sisters to have been a pretty good dad and her relationship with him remains posirive and supportive.

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posted October 10, 2015 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 10, 2015 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing StubbornVirgo, I'm so happy for you!!

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posted October 10, 2015 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes that's awesome.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries moon usually make good parents as they are good with kids. People don't like to admit that tho. Examples are Pink and Angelina Jolie.

I think cap Venus, sun and to some extent moon give a sense of responsibility. Not nurturing but ensuring the child has all he/she needs.

Unafflicted Jupiter
I don't think cancer risers are always good parents.
Taurus placements are good too.

It's good to have a strong Mars, then the person can take charge and protect the family.

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posted October 11, 2015 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The other thing is we're all 'good' parents insofar as we provide the karmic environment deemed necessary by the souls the universe channeled into our lives as little growing people...

Bingo! I think this is so overlooked, too, as we may try and take a cookie-cutter approach to things; for example, looking at the basics of 'good parenting', without truly taking in account the soul of the child -- and why they've chosen to come here, in this time, to be with us.

I was realising earlier today how weird it would be to have someone call me 'Mom'. Not that I couldn't hack it, and, if my stepdaughter suddenly decided to call me 'Mom', too, I'd be down. But someone calling me 'Mom'? Ergo, a biological child of my own? Nope. I'm just not seeing it at all.

I've always wondered why this is, too. But the more that I consider it, the more it seems linked to the fact that I already 'have' the child that I feel I was meant to have; the one who came to me, who chose to be 'born' into my life. And there are many good reasons as to why she isn't born to me -- not that my genetics aren't great (they actually are) but there are good reasons as to why she's exactly who she is: with a narcissistic mom who can't nurture, and is very into creating a carbon copy of herself, and a father and stepmother who can nurture -- and gladly do, while celebrating her unique gifts, and helping turn the challenges into further evidence of that uniqueness -- that she's Aspie, for example. Thanks to my formal education, I've been able to help her in this area a lot, and there's no telling how much of a difference that's made. Further, rather than allowing her mother to make her feel as if she's 'impeded' by these things, or that it makes her less, when, in reality, it makes her so much more, if she's able to utilise the strengths that being on he autism spectrum has given her. Amazing creativity, natural ability to innovate, and so, so compassionate and caring. She had issues with empathy starting out, but her desire to help other people (Virgo MOON with Pisces rising and a Cap SUN) and feel accomplished has given her fantastic leadership skills.

I could just go on and on and on.

For a time, her mother latched onto the son of the man who's now (finally) her husband, and it really, really hurt my stepdaughter deeply. Infuriated me, too. But I couldn't get anywhere when I tried to discuss it with her. (She's a lawyer who lives next to Gwyneth Paltrow in the Palisades, so, (big woo), you can't tell that woman anything.) But for several years, I certainly tried. A daughter needs her mother, and to have a good, happy relationship. I wasn't willing to step in and take over, because that's not healthy. Instead, I did take the opportunity for she and I to forge a powerful bond, so that she'd always know what my parents (especially my father) told me growing up: that I'm a winner, and I can do anything I put my mind to.

While it may seem cliche, when you really do believe it, there's some amazing power behind that. And she's already working to realise her dreams, and in this incredible time of SO much technological advancement, the sky is the limit, you know?

She came to me a couple of years ago, just so downhearted. She burst into tears, saying how much she didn't want to grow up; she was about to turn thirteen and 'her life would be over'. Whaaaa? Because she didn't want to grow up and be a lawyer like her mom and hate her life, too, and be angry all of the time.

Maaaan.

I told her that she can do whatever she wants to with her life! If she wants to be an indie producer and have a monetising YouTube channel -- she can do that! It was so crushing to see that she was under the impression that she could ONLY do what her mother is doing, because that's 'what's responsible', and that she'd decided she couldn't do what SHE wants to do and be happy!

Apologies for the anecdotal tangent. Parenting. Ohhh, yeah. It's quite the job. But it's definitely among the most rewarding out there.

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posted October 11, 2015 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^yes^

♡ sky's the limit! Believe you're a winner, yes. I'm working on this too... it really makes a pretty big difference.

Appreciate her great qualities and enhance them.. yes. She wants to please her mum and be of service--she can please others and be of service AND be happy! Beautiful use of astrology to see her strengths and inclinations and help guide her along her journey.

And beautiful heartfelt story too!

I should be looking at my daughter's chart a little more and providing more scope for her creativity and uniqueness. Her Aqua moon is on my IC so i guess that's kinda built in, package deal...

I think about it some but putting it into practice is a whole nother thing.. and home schooling/being a full time single mum with basically 0 childcare is kinda rough, sometimes doubt I'm doing enough although we are together ALL the time, go out together every day, freeschool, open gym, storytime, etc.... i think i need to carve out more time apart so that i can breathe and have some inspiration so i can step back in and do creative stuff. Been a crazy road lately...

Now i wanna post our composite/natals because it's actually really awesome.... Trusting it will work out in time... Thanks for the inspiration! Gives me scope

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posted October 11, 2015 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could dissect myself on here, as if in a vacuum, my pitfalls as a parent and why--and what's good--but it wouldn't be meaningful or complete without a chart comparison with her... it's so dependent as Auby affirmed on the soul's mission and the two soul's interaction together... fulfilling lessons and karma and providing love and care and guidance... both ways..

for instance my dad and I were really close but my siblings had more difficult/distant relationships with him. I didn't perceive his judgmental side as much because of our extremely positive synastry... I got lucky I guess, but we had some rough karma too... his jupiter on my sun though, he really lit up my world, vice versa. Various things. Rambling.

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posted October 11, 2015 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread should be in A2 Somehow I'm more curious what's behind crappy parenting.

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posted October 11, 2015 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
This thread should be in A2 Somehow I'm more curious what's behind crappy parenting.


Yep... it would get more attention there. You should be a mod! *nominates*

somebody tell me what they think about Ceres though, I wanna know if that idea is corroborated by other people's observations at all...

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posted October 11, 2015 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Aw! Sun conjunct Ceres is perfect for mothers and their children!

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posted October 11, 2015 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, thanks for "nominating' me. I guess I'd be good at keeping order.

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somebody tell me what they think about Ceres though, I wanna know if that idea is corroborated by other people's observations at all...

I can tell you about my Ceres. Libra, 2nd house, conjunct Moon. Sounds nice, doesn't it? BS It's the apex of a t-square with Saturn and Chiron. Besides, it receives an exact sextile from Mercury. It could have something to do with the fact I don't want to be a mother and I'm not a good candidate for one.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Saturn conjunct Asc. I could see being a very difficult parental figure to have...


My Dad has Saturn conjunct ASC in Virgo - he is a great Dad.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom and me have both CERES in Pisces, though 7 degrees off each other, so not conjunct (their wedding chart has Tr Ceres exact on my natal Ceres though).

hers is in 9th house, mine in 3rd
Her Ceres trines Sun in Scorpio in 5th house, which rules the 3rd house. She`s had to take on a "mother role" for her younger siblings very early on, when her own mother died (my Mom was 17 at that time), and she`s always felt responsible for not only her own children but in fact for her siblings as well as any other children for that matter. Sometimes I feel she feels responsible for the whole world and suffers by not being able to protect EVERY child.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a great mom you have, Ceri. And dad!

I don't know how to judge myself, I am good at some things and bad at others. My kids tell me I'm a great mom, and I always reply, "You don't know any better! You got ripped off!"

I have Gemini Ceres and nurture through words. Great communication with my kids, we laugh together all the time. My oldest son and I go for long walks and have long, philosophical conversations. I might fail at other things...like forcing bedtime, or safeguarding them from sugar...but I think they really trust me, and I trust them. That has to be good.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I always reply, "You don't know any better! You got ripped off!"


That is why! Or at least it shows the trusting relationship you have that you can joke like this.
And we are all humans, even mothers, or so I hear. lol

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posted October 11, 2015 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
That's a great mom you have, Ceri. And dad!

I don't know how to judge myself, I am good at some things and bad at others. My kids tell me I'm a great mom, and I always reply, "You don't know any better! You got ripped off!"

I have Gemini Ceres and nurture through words. Great communication with my kids, we laugh together all the time. My oldest son and I go for long walks and have long, philosophical conversations. I might fail at other things...like forcing bedtime, or safeguarding them from sugar...but I think they really trust me, and I trust them. That has to be good.


<3 That's definitely good. Great to read your take on Ceres in your natal as an indicator of your mothering style-- and everyone's accounts... Thanks everyone!

In terms of Ceres contacts with my daughter... my North Node is at 11 Pisces, conjunct our composite Ceres at 10 Pisces. My Ceres is at 17 Pisces. I'm definitely on the forgetting-to-do-some-stuff-most-people-would-do spectrum, as this is all in my 4th house... Piscean fourth house NN, I don't clean up like other people, but we're happy... I'm happier when I DO clean properly of course... lopsided nodal as at work here... workin on it this new moon.

Anyhow it's a very creative artistic environment here at home... things definitely run into one another a bit though, Neptune Hauz.

Her POF is on my NN and our composite Ceres...

Natally she has Venus, Ceres, and Chiron at 3 degrees Pisces at the end of her 1st house near the cusp of the second... and Neptune at 29 Aquarius...


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posted October 11, 2015 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother's Ceres is conjunct my Mars and I think I know what it means now. She was much better at meeting my physical needs than emotional and intellectual ones. Physical planet in a physical sign (Taurus).

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posted October 12, 2015 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ And your Ceres, natally, is in cerebral Libra--in Taurus' house (conjunct your moon!-- and at the apex of a t-square from, presumably, cancer and cap(?) of Saturn and Chiron!)... Sounds like she didn't quite meet your emotional needs, no... yet she was/is all tied up with your experience and processing of emotion and self-worth all the same... Which sign is Saturn and which Chiron?

getting to know you

forgive me if you weren't seeking analysis, or if it's off the mark--I'm finding the in depth Ceres exploration very interesting, and appreciate your sharing your insights/discoveries.

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