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Topic: Best placement for marital relationships
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Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 19, 2015 11:30 PM
We know 5th,7th,8th placements are the best for romance but are they enough to live together?What is the best combination for a good and stable marriage life?When i think about a good daily routine what it comes to my mind is respect,friendship and good communication.Money and different paths (careers) can be a source of arguments, so thats really important too. However many people only give importance to overlays in those romantic houses.Like stelliums in 5th and 7th are seen for many people as PERFECT.What if you have awesome overlays but one tiny mercury square saturn and nor overlay in 3th or 11th house to compensate the damage?That could be a huge problem right? Did you noticed a pattern in marital relationship charts?Are they really focused only in those houses?(composite/synastry) JUST TRYING TO LEARN HERE GUYS. IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 1419 From: Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 19, 2015 11:45 PM
I'm not really a fan of the romance houses for the most part.I'd say nice 4th, 11th and 3rd house overlays. 2nd for financial stability, possibly. IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Newflake Posts: 2 From: North Pole Registered: Nov 2020
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posted October 20, 2015 01:23 AM
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Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2246 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted October 20, 2015 05:02 AM
Hi Empty Spaces,I think the stability that you are describing is less about house placements and more about good connective interplanetary synastry. As in lots of aspects between the charts, with a higher ratio of soft aspects and conjunctions in comparison to squares and oppositions. Regardless of what houses we are overlayed in synastry, if the aspects between the charts indicate a difficult or disconnected relationship the prognosis is not good. Too many hard aspects can be stressful, but even worse then that are not many interaspects at all between the two charts. Sometimes it happens that we can be attracted to someone whom we have only one or two strong aspects with (especially if it's a yin/yang aspect involving Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars). This can trick us into thinking we've found a good match but as we get deeper we may discover that there's nothing much behind our initial attraction. For marriage I like to see interaspects involving the big three... The Sun, Moon, and Asc. This indicates a close personal connection that can be easily maintained in day to day life. Then I like to see that each person's Mercury is well aspected. If we're going to be friends for life we've got to be able to talk effectively. Next I like to see yin/yang aspects. That is connections between Sun or Mars and Moon or Venus. These aspects indicate good old fashioned male/female attraction. It's also worth looking at Saturn and Jupiter aspects to see how ethics and goodwill, and responsibility and duty mesh in the relationship for each person. Harmony involving big things like morels and duty can sometimes make or break a relationship. The outer planets in synastry are not essential for a day to day harmony with our partner. Rather synastry involving the outer planets are like exotic, fascinating side points to the relationship that take us out of the mundane and into the extraordinary. A few nice aspects from the outer planets to personal planets in synastry are like icing on the cake that makes things just that little bit more interesting. So if your the type of person more into long term harmony and support rather then finding your 'Ideal' partner, I'd be on the look out for good interplanetary synastry rather then worrying about houses at all. Although if the synastry involves most of the partner's planets in the 6th or the 12th house (and I mean most of them, not just one or two planets) the relationship can feel a bit like a 'job' (6th) or like it's somehow disconnected from everyday reality (12th). I'm sure there are those who don't mind this with good synastry however, and a planet or two in the 6th or 12th is not so bad. But massive stelliums there might be a bit draining. The rest of the houses all have very positive enjoyable points to them that can be very pleasant with good synastry. Also because of secondary houses it's totally possible for a non-romantic house to feel romantic for a particular individual. The secondary 7th house is particularly effective (Dsc in Taurus being attracted to the 2nd house in synastry). So are the secondary houses of Venus for Men, and Mars for women. If a women has Mars in Gemini she may be very attracted to her 3rd house in synastry (because she wants communication energy with her man). If a man has Venus in Cancer he may be very attracted to his 4th house in synastry (because he wants that secure private feeling with a women). Apart from the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, every individual has there own tendencies in this way. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 unregistered
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posted October 20, 2015 05:58 AM
From what I've noticed, having the secondary houses (personalized love houses) with overlays seems more important, combined with strong ruler activation for 5th, 7th, 8th.Cardinal houses and rulers are the marital/family ones. Fixed houses bring potential stability, fascination and "fixity" (but also potential obsession and being stuck) But my main criterion, and what I noticed, is that the preferred overlays are mostly depending on planetary geometry and completion. Out of all the possible marital/romantic overlays, those related to the chart geometry will be the first ones filled in there, not 5th, 7th and 8th. There is actually a formula combining geometry with personalized love houses. Rulers however seem to be in aspect, always. ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala New Profiles IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 unregistered
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posted October 20, 2015 06:04 AM
When someone touches our cardinal houses, they make us feel important, and also, we may perceive them as important too. They also bring a familiar energy.------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... AstroMandala New Profiles IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 705 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 06:12 AM
I've seen the most strong 1H or 4H (sun/ stellium in those houses), with 7H ruler also strongly aspected.This makes sense to me: strong identity with relationship, creating family together, recognizing each other as marriage material, that kind of thing. Also, I stand by the Sun thing - I feel like in composite, if the Sun is in harmony with most or all planets, and strongly aspected, it's a very good sign of strength in the couple. 'That which was built on a strong foundation cannot be broken down' - something like that. IP: Logged |
Cappi112 Knowflake Posts: 705 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: May 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 06:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Empty Spaces: We know 5th,7th,8th placements are the best for romance but are they enough to live together?What is the best combination for a good and stable marriage life?When i think about a good daily routine what it comes to my mind is respect,friendship and good communication.Money and different paths (careers) can be a source of arguments, so thats really important too. However many people only give importance to overlays in those romantic houses.Like stelliums in 5th and 7th are seen for many people as PERFECT.What if you have awesome overlays but one tiny mercury square saturn and nor overlay in 3th or 11th house to compensate the damage?That could be a huge problem right? Did you noticed a pattern in marital relationship charts?Are they really focused only in those houses?(composite/synastry) JUST TRYING TO LEARN HERE GUYS.
'JUST TRYING TO LEARN HERE GUYS.' hahahaha. this made me lol. I feel like this is my disclaimer for every thread on LG ))) Let's all LEARNNN TOGETHHERRRRRRRRRRR IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 08:17 AM
What confuses me is when you have a beautiful synastry and not so great composite. How can that work?IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 11:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by LaceyLeigh: I'm not really a fan of the romance houses for the most part.I'd say nice 4th, 11th and 3rd house overlays. 2nd for financial stability, possibly.
Very Good Lacey!Btw I love the 11th house. Planets there can tame my short temper
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Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 11:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Desiring Shadows: 2nd,4th,10th
What planets you would like to see there?
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comdoc Knowflake Posts: 1135 From: Tucson Registered: Feb 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 11:29 AM
Lotus White, I love your response. Good planetary interplanetary synastry creates COHESION. That means the lovers are pulled together, and held together by their attractive synastry--which includes mutually beneficial aspects, and Pattern Completion. Thanks to Lee Loo for alerting us to that. Law of Attraction in action. "I think the stability that you are describing is less about house placements and more about good connective interplanetary synastry. As in lots of aspects between the charts, with a higher ratio of soft aspects and conjunctions in comparison to squares and oppositions. Regardless of what houses we are overlayed in synastry, if the aspects between the charts indicate a difficult or disconnected relationship the prognosis is not good. Too many hard aspects can be stressful, but even worse then that are not many interaspects at all between the two charts. Sometimes it happens that we can be attracted to someone whom we have only one or two strong aspects with (especially if it's a yin/yang aspect involving Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars). This can trick us into thinking we've found a good match but as we get deeper we may discover that there's nothing much behind our initial attraction. For marriage I like to see interaspects involving the big three... The Sun, Moon, and Asc. This indicates a close personal connection that can be easily maintained in day to day life." Agreed. For me, powerful cohesive synastry includes planetary interaspects and Patterns which are empowering for the Couple in relation to the outside world. The Higher level Aspect Patterns involve greater time/space connections overall. Grand Trine, Grand Square, Grand Sextile, Grand Rectangle. Then I like to see that each person's Mercury is well aspected. If we're going to be friends for life we've got to be able to talk effectively. Next I like to see yin/yang aspects. That is connections between Sun or Mars and Moon or Venus. These aspects indicate good old fashioned male/female attraction. It's also worth looking at Saturn and Jupiter aspects to see how ethics and goodwill, and responsibility and duty mesh in the relationship for each person. Harmony involving big things like morels and duty can sometimes make or break a relationship. The outer planets in synastry are not essential for a day to day harmony with our partner. Rather synastry involving the outer planets are like exotic, fascinating side points to the relationship that take us out of the mundane and into the extraordinary. A few nice aspects from the outer planets to personal planets in synastry are like icing on the cake that makes things just that little bit more interesting. So if your the type of person more into long term harmony and support rather then finding your 'Ideal' partner, I'd be on the look out for good interplanetary synastry rather then worrying about houses at all. Although if the synastry involves most of the partner's planets in the 6th or the 12th house (and I mean most of them, not just one or two planets) the relationship can feel a bit like a 'job' (6th) or like it's somehow disconnected from everyday reality (12th). I'm sure there are those who don't mind this with good synastry however, and a planet or two in the 6th or 12th is not so bad. But massive stelliums there might be a bit draining. The rest of the houses all have very positive enjoyable points to them that can be very pleasant with good synastry. Also because of secondary houses it's totally possible for a non-romantic house to feel romantic for a particular individual. The secondary 7th house is particularly effective (Dsc in Taurus being attracted to the 2nd house in synastry). So are the secondary houses of Venus for Men, and Mars for women. If a women has Mars in Gemini she may be very attracted to her 3rd house in synastry (because she wants communication energy with her man). If a man has Venus in Cancer he may be very attracted to his 4th house in synastry (because he wants that secure private feeling with a women). Apart from the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, every individual has there own tendencies in this way." I've experienced this powerfully with former fiance whose natal midnight Sun resonates with my Gemini/Cancer Moon. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 11:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: From what I've noticed, having the secondary houses (personalized love houses) with overlays seems more important, combined with strong ruler activation for 5th, 7th, 8th.Cardinal houses and rulers are the marital/family ones. Fixed houses bring potential stability, fascination and "fixity" (but also potential obsession and being stuck) But my main criterion, and what I noticed, is that the preferred overlays are mostly depending on planetary geometry and completion. Out of all the possible marital/romantic overlays, those related to the chart geometry will be the first ones filled in there, not 5th, 7th and 8th. There is actually a formula combining geometry with personalized love houses. Rulers however seem to be in aspect, always.
Thats really interesting.So about the cardinal houses..4H feels good to me.The 10H/7H too but they're my secondary 8/5.So I do like it because its cardinal or because is the secondary? Hehe hard to know.Maybe both. Now the 1th house.When was hit by a moon there i felt nothing at all.I have my own moon in 1th if that means something. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 20, 2015 01:02 PM
Very Good explanation Lotis White!-When you mention the big three are you talking about only conjuntions and trines? What if you have an afflicted chart?The trines wouldnt be too soft? -Do you think the elements are important? For example.I have a grand air trine in my natal between ASC/moon/saturn/jupiter.
I enjoy when people hit my 5th house (libra)but the attraction fades quickly.After 2 seconds im pretty much bored,especially if they have a stellium there.It is just too much air for my taste. I like my secondary though (7H)but its in sagittarius and I have 0 fire planets. That also could explains why the 11H feels so good to me. (Aries) Aw thats a very good information. I have a deep passion for the 12th house.But is my venus in pisces.I enjoy the 4H (cancer mars) but not as much as i do with 12H. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1977 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 21, 2015 04:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Cappi112: I've seen the most strong 1H or 4H (sun/ stellium in those houses), with 7H ruler also strongly aspected.This makes sense to me: strong identity with relationship, creating family together, recognizing each other as marriage material, that kind of thing. Also, I stand by the Sun thing - I feel like in composite, if the Sun is in harmony with most or all planets, and strongly aspected, it's a very good sign of strength in the couple. 'That which was built on a strong foundation cannot be broken down' - something like that.
Stellium in 4H looks good for day-to-day life. BUT dont know exactly about the sun.My parents have a 0 degree conjunction (moon/sun)in their composite and it wasnt enough. and yeeeahhh lets learn together IP: Logged |
litarot Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Santa rosa, RS, Brazil Registered: May 2022
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posted October 29, 2022 06:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Empty Spaces: Thats really interesting.So about the cardinal houses..4H feels good to me.The 10H/7H too but they're my secondary 8/5.So I do like it because its cardinal or because is the secondary? Hehe hard to know.Maybe both.Now the 1th house.When was hit by a moon there i felt nothing at all.I have my own moon in 1th if that means something.
That's because in the 1st house, the person on the planet feels the most, not the house. The planet person feels an instant admiration or attraction towards the house. IP: Logged |
93nov Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Registered: Oct 2019
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posted June 08, 2023 10:00 AM
So what about people with 6H stelliums? Someone with another stellium would automatically fall heavily in their 6H so a lot of relationships would feel like a job?IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 173714 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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