posted October 20, 2015 06:34 AM            

As is life, we all go through hard times,and cannot escape 'harder' transits.

Lately, my sister has been very anxious about an upcoming uranus transit that will effect her composite with her husband. Their relationship has survived an insane amount of hardships - he was an addict when they first met and had to completely change his ways for her. He became a better man in so many ways in order to make things work with my sister; I look up to them both for their strength in their relationship and can't imagine it being shaken apart.

BUT, whenever you look up certain upcoming transits, people always say these bring heartbreak, break ups, divorce, pain, etc. Since none of us are able to HIDE from transits that come along (we are all going to face Saturn transits in our lifetimes), what does that mean for marriages? You vow to be together for life, and then one transit tears it to the ground?

posted October 20, 2015 07:00 AM            

People stick together harmoniously based on the strength of the relationship which is highly dependent on individual maturity and personal evolution as well. The strength of the relationship is always visible in the relational charts (synastry/composite). No other astrological method (transits, progressions, translations such as draco) can replace the lack of strength in those two charts.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

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posted October 20, 2015 07:04 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

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posted October 20, 2015 07:09 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
On the other hand, despite our understandable desire for continuity or permanence, sticking together no matter what is not necessarily the best option. On the contrary, separations, no matter how painful, are usually the best course for both souls. Their timing is probably precisely ingrained in the initial charts (synastry/composite) either we see it or not, and the transits are only activating this preexistent structure.

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Very true.

My parents had a very painful, difficult marriage, leading my mother to an affair for 6 years. She confessed it to my father at her breaking point. That made him evaluate how he'd treated her to lead to that moment, seek therapy and counseling for the first time in his life, and eventually mend their marriage so that they are now stronger than they were.

posted October 20, 2015 06:50 PM            

And Lee, you're so right. It's like transits come and shake the tree, and good trees may stand and weak trees may just collapse on the power lines and get fried to death there.

Well I have an Aqua DSC. Electric metaphors come to mind.

Actually tr Uranus in Taurus...whoa am I ready for this??

It will be conjunct my husband's Pholus while squaring his sun-Uranus, opposing my Uranus, and squaring my DSC.

posted October 20, 2015 08:23 PM            

this is there synastry of 40 years and currently today. My dad is the ( RED ).

they got married in mexico city where they were born and left to the united states/california as immigrants at the age of 18-19 years of age in the 1970s.

my dad became depressed when he had lost both of his parents in the 80s and he was very young still in his late 20s and became a raging alcolohlic abused my mother and my mother and my father were separated and were going to get a divorce but my father did not want to lose my mom and our family so he attended AA meetings for about a few years is now sober for 15 years and still. my dad abused me and my brothers physically for many years but I had it WORSE then both of my brothers. i was absurd physically emotionally and mentally by my dad and my mom was very controlling and abused me emotionally. my mom obviously felt very awful to have had my dad abuse me this way and so it stopped when i turned 18. anyways.....that's there synastry.

the wedding event chart is VERY interesting as transit vertex was activating my dad's vertex AND asteroid boda and my mother's venus and mars stellium.

Also they've got the classic aspect of SUN CONJUNCT SUN but a wide sun and sun conjunction in synastry HOWEVER it is PARALLEL EXACT and i always like to allow wider orbs with the luminaries involved especially if a personal planet is involved with a luminary given that it is either parallel or contra-parallel from other astrologer's research here on LL and elsewhere.

posted October 20, 2015 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
"And Lee, you're so right. It's like transits come and shake the tree, and good trees may stand and weak trees may just collapse on the power lines and get fried to death there."

Like my recent break up! Composite Saturn return and.
... blammo!!!

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some couples stay together and become stuck in a rut ... Such situations are hardly "strong" trees to me.

I think venusian couples tend to stay together even if they trigger their saturn/pluto issues. Neptune also.

Sometimes people stay together because of saturnian issues, or strong 10th composite that makes public image so important. Gosh, I know so many old couples who stay together just for name-sake ... It's depressing.

Interesting enough, I have seen couples who stay 15-20 years with grand cross in composite. Then they divorce. But that's still long.

posted October 20, 2015 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
I have read somewhere that no matter how harsh the transits you experience, if divorce is not in your natal chart then it won't happen.

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posted October 20, 2015 09:45 PM            

Your mom's Saturn on your father's Karma-NN...hmmm...must've been hard to pull away. Then her moon on his Neptune.

Well the whole synastry is telling.

posted October 20, 2015 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
some couples stay together and become stuck in a rut ... Such situations are hardly "strong" trees to me.

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Right. I meant the marriage itself is strong.

Like with my husband, we have a tight kite formation...it's just hard to break that apart. Plus Venus conjunct Saturn synastry and some other stuff.

posted October 20, 2015 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh angel, that is too sad. I'm so sorry your childhood was like that. Just makes me physically ill to think of what that would be like.

Your mom's Saturn on your father's Karma-NN...hmmm...must've been hard to pull away. Then her moon on his Neptune.

Well the whole synastry is telling.

Marriage really sucks so bad sometimes...

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yeah tell me about it! the synastry is very interesting.......
also you don't have to feel bad! honestly its all good now between me and my father i understand he went through a lot of horrible things while growing up he was also abused as well physically by his drunk dad and mother and he was also molested by his nanny when he was 3 years old for 5 years. his mom caught the nanny bothering my dad at the age of 8 and kicked the nanny out of there home. he's got a rough past my dad and i don't blame him and honestly wish the best for him.

posted October 20, 2015 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
some couples stay together and become stuck in a rut ... Such situations are hardly "strong" trees to me.

I think venusian couples tend to stay together even if they trigger their saturn/pluto issues. Neptune also.

Sometimes people stay together because of saturnian issues, or strong 10th composite that makes public image so important. Gosh, I know so many old couples who stay together just for name-sake ... It's depressing.

Interesting enough, I have seen couples who stay 15-20 years with grand cross in composite. Then they divorce. But that's still long.

In the case of happy people, I think mystic rectangle in composites encourages the couple to work out everything together but still keep the passion/excitement alive.

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That's really interesting about the mystic rectangle. I suppose you might've noticed grand trines in composite causing the self-protective ruts?

I want to note that the first portion of the post you've quoted was not written by me, since you seemed to be responding mainly to it-- though I don't know why it's so important to clarify and I wish it weren't.

I was actually in the middle of writing a post which kinda corroborated what you've said re: it not necessarily meaning 'strength' (then my phone died)... i can't do it again but i was similarly citing reasons certain people's natals/composites may predispose them to stay in relationships despite many signs/transits etc which seem to demand a change. This is a kind of sickness and it's sad indeed... though I don't know why the world works in the mysterious ways it does, or the many and varied reasons any individual does what they do. There are sooo many things which could play into the need for relationship overwhelming other sensibilities...

I think it's so vitally important for us, as social animals, to feel that we have at least one tribe member/mate, who is solidly there to support us and be an actual body... it's understandable that people stay together despite less than ideal circumstances..

It's really hard to extricate myself from relationships at the worst of times so I'm actually patting myself on the back at this point in my life, having recognized an untenable situation and ended it with relatively little drama... well. .. mostly I've ended it anyway. Usually I'm down in no uncertain terms just how bad it is for me and am FORCED to get out

posted October 20, 2015 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Right. I meant the marriage itself is strong.

Like with my husband, we have a tight kite formation...it's just hard to break that apart. Plus Venus conjunct Saturn synastry and some other stuff.

Well I love him and don't mean any harm when I say that I don't think I was cut out for marriage...

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Aww.. I hears ya..

I personally have a kite in composite with this guy I'm in the process of breaking up with, involving Juno, Jupiter, Pluto-South Node-Ascendant, with Neptune at the apex... the kite seriously activates both our natals.. For instance, his Saturn is on the composite ascendant (and his, and my ascendant, aaand the composite south node/Pluto).

It's really hard to truly break away. They don't call it glue for nothin.

posted October 20, 2015 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I personally have a kite in composite with this guy I'm in the process of breaking up with, and his Saturn is on my ascendant (and his, and the composite ascendant, aaand the composite south node).

It's really hard to truly break away. They don't call it glue for nothin.

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oh that sucks yungang hmmmm i have a kite too in my composite but i also have a yod in my composite hmmmm yod's go figure.

posted October 20, 2015 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Like... jeez... MY Saturn is at the apex of the Kite, conjunct the composite Neptune by 2 degrees. And my Uranus is not far behind, just 4 degrees off.

I'm kinda just realizing/despairing/delighting in how very gluey it all really is. Argh.

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oh man i understand actually i have a the finger of god - yod in my synastry with my girlfriend now. but yeah i have to check what's going on in our composite as far as the kite goes hahaha !

saturn uranus and neptune must be heavy.

posted October 20, 2015 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Like... jeez... MY Saturn is at the apex of the Kite, conjunct the composite Neptune by 2 degrees. And my Uranus is not far behind, just 4 degrees off.

I'm kinda just realizing/despairing/delighting in how very gluey it all really is. Argh.

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Yeah sounds very gluey!!! :-/

I just started listing all the glue in my relationship...and fervently missing my husband, who is not here. That's how much glue there is.

But we are so different, it's ridiculous.

@angel

I'm so glad that you can sympathize with your parents AND yourself...glad you seem to have mended those wounds...though, I still wish you had an easier life.

posted October 20, 2015 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
oh man i understand actually i have a the finger of god - yod in my synastry with my girlfriend now. but yeah i have to check what's going on in our composite as far as the kite goes hahaha !

saturn uranus and neptune must be heavy.

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I wonder whether the yod and kite are related, aspect-wise, and how.... you're having a very hard time given the difficulty being physically together eh? That's so difficult I do hope things get worked out. I'm sorry I haven't had anything to contribute in terms of the charts for visa applications, it's all a bit beyond me but I applaud your efforts!

Saturn, Uranus and Neptune... yeah. Hmm. I'm just really thinking about it in an investigative mind frame for the first time.

you know how sometimes you just go "glue, check!" And don't really think into it any further- ie. what KIND of glue? And why? And what exactly is stuck together anyway?... Yeah, I'm totally guilty of that.

I guess my Saturn on that all important composite Neptune might be saying I have some responsibility for the spiritual tone of the relationship.. or maybe I restrict it's expression... or maybe I ground it... mm I don't know. Uranus too. I just dont know right now. This is a ramble..

posted October 20, 2015 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah sounds very gluey!!! :-/

I just started listing all the glue in my relationship...and fervently missing my husband, who is not here. That's how much glue there is.

But we are so different, it's ridiculous.

@angel

I'm so glad that you can sympathize with your parents AND yourself...glad you seem to have mended those wounds...though, I still wish you had an easier life.

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I totally miss my wrong-for-me guy too... especially when I think about the glue. Those pretty, pretty patterns... sigh.

posted October 20, 2015 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah sounds very gluey!!! :-/

I just started listing all the glue in my relationship...and fervently missing my husband, who is not here. That's how much glue there is.

But we are so different, it's ridiculous.

@angel

I'm so glad that you can sympathize with your parents AND yourself...glad you seem to have mended those wounds...though, I still wish you had an easier life.

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thank you so much faith ! i appreciate it so much i also i would love to have a peek of your marriage synastry if you can

posted October 20, 2015 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I wonder whether the yod and kite are related, aspect-wise, and how.... you're having a very hard time given the difficulty being physically together eh? That's so difficult I do hope things get worked out. I'm sorry I haven't had anything to contribute in terms of the charts for visa applications, it's all a bit beyond me but I applaud your efforts!

Saturn, Uranus and Neptune... yeah. Hmm. I'm just really thinking about it in an investigative mind frame for the first time.

you know how sometimes you just go "glue, check!" And don't really think into it any further- ie. what KIND of glue? And why? And what exactly is stuck together anyway?... Yeah, I'm totally guilty of that.

I guess my Saturn on that all important composite Neptune might be saying I have some responsibility for the spiritual tone of the relationship.. or maybe I restrict it's expression... or maybe I ground it... mm I don't know. Uranus too. I just dont know right now. This is a ramble..

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yes it is very hard really it is especially given the fact that she's got a natal chiron in her 9th house squaring her NN in the 6th god it just really aches me it makes me feel it will be impossible for her to move anywhere that is overseas...but who knows maybe its just something that is karmic and challenging.

its okay yungang i know our synastry can be complicated especially the composite to really tell what is going on cause i see red flags but i also see so many promising connections in our synastry.

YES exactly! like what kind of glue is it??? glue is beautiful seriously it can bind a couple for a looooooonnnngggg time but what kind of glue are you in for??? and who owes karma??

its okay you can ramble ! i understand a lot trust me. hmmmm i would have to see your composite to have an overview of it and give you my observation and opinion did you post the chart anywhere on LL? if your not in the mood to share i TOTALLY understand really

posted October 20, 2015 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
That's really interesting about the mystic rectangle. I suppose you might've noticed grand trines in composite causing the self-protective ruts?

I want to note that the first portion of the post you've quoted was not written by me, since you seemed to be responding mainly to it-- though I don't know why it's so important to clarify and I wish it weren't.

I was actually in the middle of writing a post which kinda corroborated what you've said re: it not necessarily meaning 'strength' (then my phone died)... i can't do it again but i was similarly citing reasons certain people's natals/composites may predispose them to stay in relationships despite many signs/transits etc which seem to demand a change. This is a kind of sickness and it's sad indeed... though I don't know why the world works in the mysterious ways it does, or the many and varied reasons any individual does what they do. There are sooo many things which could play into the need for relationship overwhelming other sensibilities...

I think it's so vitally important for us, as social animals, to feel that we have at least one tribe member/mate, who is solidly there to support us and be an actual body... it's understandable that people stay together despite less than ideal circumstances..

It's really hard to extricate myself from relationships at the worst of times so I'm actually patting myself on the back at this point in my life, having recognized an untenable situation and ended it with relatively little drama... well. .. mostly I've ended it anyway. Usually I'm down in no uncertain terms just how bad it is for me and am FORCED to get out

For this reason I think transits must play a very important role in helping us find our way out of unhealthy unions--but I can see how our natal charts give us the extra push and pull towards the light...

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Ahh... I responded to you as a way to contribute to the conversation. I think that a long, happy marriage is rare. Sometimes, for the sake of tradition, people go so far as to sacrifice their happiness. I am a child of divorced parents and a highly Uranian one at such, so ... I guess it plays in my perspective. As always, I just want to discuss, really.

There are also quite a few marriages around me that are based on abusive relationships. And people are stuck in the rut because one partner is mentally problematic and the other partner is emotionally weak ... That's judgmental for me to say and I can't say that I've always cut things off when I should. But any relationships that broke off due to transits probably have certain amount of incompatible energy waiting to be awaken.