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Ceridwen
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posted October 21, 2015 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I thought it would be interesting to locate the synastric DW´s which come from the same harmonic.

for example, a DW consisting of two trines (3rd harmonic) or a sextile and a trine (6th harmonic), or sesisquare and semisquare (8th harmonic).

And to see what happens with them in the composite.

IF the synastric orbs were reasonably tight and esp. if it was the same aspect (two squares, two quintiles etc.), then two things should happen in most cases:

1) the planets are in conjunction or opposition in the composite, if the synastric aspects were in a complimentary phase (waxing and waning).

2) the same harmonic occurs in composite, if the synastric aspects were in the same phase (two waxing squares will result in a waxing square in composite also).


If this does not happen, it might be that either the orbs were not tight enough,e sp. in terms of so called minor aspects; or alternatively it has to be really the same aspect, like a biquintile does not mesh with a quintile, though they are technically both 5th harmonic aspects, I am not sure about that yet though.


BTW since the composite is a midpoint chart and midpoints are actually an axis (far and near mp), it can happen that not the exact harmonic appears but the harmonix x2.

For instance instead of an expected trine we might see the sextile (3rd harmonic, 6th harmonic).

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LeeLoo2014
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posted October 21, 2015 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
another favorite of mine coming from Ceri

I'll be back with the data...

What do you think the significance is, for having same harmonic DWs? Just the composite result? ( a clue for unification?)

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Ceridwen
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posted October 21, 2015 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.

I think those are major themes, especially - but not only- if resulting in conjunction/ opposition in the composite.
If they are, it means the synastric background is one of complementing aspects (waxing - waning) resonating with the same harmonic, and I consider that to be of utmost relevance.
It also will be interesting to see which harmonics are strong, underlying the composite aspects, even if the composite shows a different aspect.
for example a synastric DW consisting of sextile and trine, can result in a composite square. So that would be a square vibrating with the 6th harmonic, which is something that intrigues me.
It`s like the union itself gives the energy and sometimes tension/ friction to push the supportive cooperative 6th harmonic energy into manifestation.
Like the people are not just thinking supportively of each other, but become ACTIVELY (squares in composite as action aspects) ASSISTING (6th harmonic synastry) each other.

For starters I really am paying attention to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th harmonic. 7th harmonic might be interesting, too (mystical at least) but astro.com does not show these aspects I think.

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posted October 21, 2015 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon trine Mercury DW = Moon conjunct Mercury and Sun sextile/trine Pluto = Sun square Pluto.

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posted October 21, 2015 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is really interesting Ceri and somehow we are on the same page these days as I discovered a tight DW conjunction in the 9th harmonic (with novile result in the Composite);

My Moon - 28'44 Scorp
His Uranus - 28'58 Scorp

His Moon - 2'59 Cap
My Uranus - 2'17 Cap


This ^ stems from the following 9th harmonic DW aspects in our natal synastry;

Moon/Uranus NOVILE (40 deg) - waning
Moon/Uranus TRI-NOVILE (120 deg) - waxing

(^ both aspects belong to the novile serie + globally "opposing synastry phases")

If we look at our natal Moon/Uranus phase, we get this;

- My Moon about 36 deg past Uranus
- His Moon about 44 deg past Uranus

(^ 80 deg or a bi-novile together to total this)


In the COMPOSITE this becomes an exact NOVILE (40 deg angle).

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posted October 24, 2015 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir,

Moon-Uranus, he? Like that. especially with the harmonious resonance in the 9th harmonic.

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posted October 24, 2015 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve finally come around to compile our harmonic DW and composite aspects;
well I used Solar fire for this, so that means only the usual astroids (Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Pallas) plus Chiron, BML and Astraea.
But I was checking all harmonic aspects (up to 12th harmonic), and was a bit surprised to see the 11th harmonic coming up so much.


The composite resulting aspect was not always of the same harmonic (or conj./opp) as the synastric DW, and I think the reason for that was that with a bit more orb it was rather picking up a higher harmonic at tighter orb.

Anyway here are the results:

(1) 5th harmonic
MC quintile ASTRAEA 1.29
ASTRAEA quintile MC 1.02

c: ASTRAEA conjunct MC 0.13


(2) 4th harmonic
NN square Mars 3.47
Mars square NN 0.56

c: Mars conjunct NN 2.21


(3) 11th harmonic
NN undecile JUNO 0.46
JUNO undecile NN 1.35

c: JUNO quinkunx NN 1.32

to be continued...

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posted October 24, 2015 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is Astraea important to you?

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posted October 24, 2015 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn`t know she was.

But well, I JUST noticed her being exact conjunct the composite-MC. That goddess is SURELY screaming for attention.
It was only from then, that I unravelled it backwards, realizing that she is not JUST on the composite MC-degree, but is on the RELEASE point of the Yod, involving Neptune-Mercury-SAPPHO in 11th sextile Pluto in 8th, quinkunx the stellium of EROS-PRIAPUS-DIONYSOS right on the IC; well Uranus is also near the release point, but I only thought there had to be *something* closer to the MC than the 4 degree conj. of Uranus, which is nothing to sneeze upon, btw!
It IS there and very very important, especially being chartruler and all.

This Yod might be even more important in terms of astraea, as either leg is activated by our natal Astraeas.

the Neptune-Sappho-Mercury-Boda (lol) portion is falling onto HIS n ASTRAEA (which is near his CUPIDO=)

the Pluto-ATLANTIS portion is falling onto MY ASTRAEA (which is near my APHRODITE).


Apart from that ASTRAEA is also on the trigger/ arrow point of a Kite based on an Earth Grand trine of


Venus on 16°01 Cap
(conj. Circe-Proserpina-Panacaea-Arthur from 13-18 Cap)


trine

EROS on 14°40 Taurus
PRIAPUS on 15°27 Taurus


trine
HAUMEA on 16°32 Virgo

with

ASTRAEA on 16°11 Scorpio
MC on 16°25 Scorpio

In fact there is a second Kite-arrow,
as PHOLUS on 14°55 PIsces
opposes HAUMEA on 16°32 Virgo


(we are missing a planet on mid Cancer for that to become a Star of David. I am sure there is such a planet, well my n Saturn is there, as is his son`s MC-ruler and NN-ruler Venus. lol)


And then ASTRAEA on the MC is also the Apex of another Yod


CHARIKLO on 18°18 Aries (conj. SN on 20°46 Aries)

sextile

DEJANIRA on 16°36 Gemini


quinkunx

ASTRAEA on 16°11 Scorpio


in this instance, the stellium of EROS-PRIAPUS-DIONYSOS on the IC becomes the release point (and Astraea the fuel to that Yod; reversed roles to the other Yod with the Neptune-Pluto sextile, which even though of course generational, in this instance is personalized through a few things, including the fact that MC is occupying its direct near midpoint)

So how am I NOT to take Astraea serious in this composite?


And it was kinda intriguing for me to see that this conjunction in the composite happens on the basis of an underlying 5th harmonic DW. Creative solutions, man (or woman), creative solutions to this one!

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posted October 24, 2015 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because a visual is usually better than words


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posted October 24, 2015 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW the astraea discovery chart itself is a Sagittarius with Aries-Moon.

And interestingly has a Sun-Union-conjunction, which prompted me to put in some pair-asteroids.

there is:
PSYCHE quinkunx CUPIDO 0°08
Jupiter opposite JUNO 1°14
DIONYSOS conjunct ARIADNE 0°16 (right on Psyche)
BACCHUS trine ARIADNE 1°10
(those two are easily among my favoured pairings anyway; anyone can fall in love once, but risiking falling in love AGAIN AFTER the first time sucked? THAT is bold!)

also
ENDYMION (on Cupido) conjunct SELENE 3°45
ENDYMION conjunct ARTEMIS 0°43
ENDYMION square DIANA 0°53

and oh WOW

ODYSSEUS conjunct PENELOPE 0°39
ULIXES conjunct PENELOPE 1°47


also

AMPHITRITE conjunct ATLANTIS 0°01 (20 Libra)
sextile POSEIDON 0°49

(Amphitrite was Poseidons wife, and I don`t have to go into the interconnection between Poseidon and Atlantis, right?)

Funny enough, the NN in the discovery chart is on 16°19 Scorpio

Well Astraea on itself is about putting things in balance (I read she very often combines two objects or planets in an aspect), relating to the JUSTICE-cards in tarot.
On the negative side she might be too stubborn to give up and stay far longer than she probably should have, because she just won`t let go or let up.
On the positive side she might be too stubborn to give up and sticks it out, because she just won`t give up.

She doesn`t easily back away or walk away until it`s over.
problem is sometimes she might not notice WHEN it is over.
Good thing is she stays even though it SEEMS to be over, when there really is still work to be done.

Difficulty is to differentiate between those two. lol

Ultimately however her purpose is really in bringing/ finding BALANCE, TRUTH and JUSTICE.

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posted November 11, 2015 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Because a visual is usually better than words


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wow! it looks like giving birth

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posted November 11, 2015 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm curious if we include the conjunction in 4th harmonic, do we pair it with this for your analysis? ( I would, but what do you think about conjunctions as part of pairs?)

example in my synastry (with a limit semisq, but still)

Moo.(LEO 14°43')-MC. (CAN. 1°37'): Semisquare (= 45°)orb= 01°55'
MC. (SCO.16°44')-Moo.(SCO.16°38'): Conjunction (= 0°)orb= 00°06'

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