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comdoc
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posted October 26, 2015 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Recall that these cycles and their sequential segments are fractal: that is, they are similar (they correlate) due to their relative positions in the complete cycle. Aries and 1st House are both the initial #1 segments of 12 part total whole...while Pisces and 12th House are both final #12 segments of the complete cycle.

In human relationships, harmonic resonance and natural attraction occur when a prospective partner has placements that correspond with the native's birth placements. This takes place most powerfully with First Harmonic aspects (Conjunction), second in power with Second Harmonic aspects (Opposition), and powerfully with Third Harmonic aspects (Trine).

For example, Leo Sign placements most powerfully resonate with 5th House placements. Leo Sign placements resonate second most powerfully with 11th House planets. Leo sign planets resonate third in power with 1st House and 9th House planets.

Sun, Moon, Ascendant are the Big Three in relationship synastry. We can use this principle of interrelated segments of different length cycles in synastry analysis. For simplicity, let's limit our discussion to First and Second Harmonic interaspects (conjunction and opposition). Self and Other. In relative order of power: Likes attract and Opposites attract. Here's an example.

Male Native was born with Aries Sun, Gemini/Cancer Moon, and Leo rising. Therefore, prospective partner's primary and secondary resonant placements include:

1st House Sun 7th House Sun
IC Moon MC Moon
5th House planets 11th House planets

Male Native's natal placements are 9th House Sun, 11th House Moon. Prospective partner's primary (most powerful) and secondary resonant placements include:

Sagittarius Sun Gemini Sun
Aquarius Moon Leo Moon

This interrelated segments technique can also be applied to romantically paired planets Venus and Mars. Male Native above was born with 1st House Leo Mars, and 10th House Gemini Venus. Therefore, prospective partner's primary and secondary resonant placements include the following:

Leo Venus Aquarius Venus
1st House Venus 7th House Venus
Capricorn Venus Cancer Venus
7th House Venus 1st House Venus

Capricorn Mars Cancer Mars
3rd House Mars 9th House Mars
Gemini Mars Sagittarius Mars
10th House Mars 4th House Mars

Let's use Mercury and Jupiter interrelated segments pair for enhanced communication between the prospective partners. Prospective partner's resonant planet pairs for 1st (most powerful) and 2nd Harmonic synastry aspects.

His Aries Mercury in 9th House. Sagittarius Jupiter in 5th House. Therefore her resonant synastry planet placements are:

Sagittarius Mercury Gemini Mercury
1st House Mercury 7th House Mercury
Leo Jupiter Aquarius Jupiter
9th House Jupiter 3rd House Jupiter

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yungang_grotto
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posted October 26, 2015 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lovely, thank you!

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posted October 26, 2015 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YG, you're most welcome!

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Lovely, thank you!

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posted October 26, 2015 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting, thank you

I had only did the superficial digging into the house affinity before but your analyses run deeper.

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posted October 27, 2015 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You'll also find resonance with dwad degrees and dispositor relationships. Some things are deeply hidden, and only present via the dwad or dispositors.

For example, my 6H SNODE is in Aquarius; that's never grabbed me much, outside of intermittent health anxiety stemming from psychosomasis (psychological and emotional issues becoming physical through tension or fears of underlying disease). In the grand karmic scheme? Not much.

However, I have a huge karmic stellium located around my MOON-URA conjunction; URA, being my SNODE dispositor, is a direct link to this particular stellium, showing how it's influenced as well as influencing.

This is, of course, tremendously insightful in synastry, and all interpersonal astrology.

My boyfriend and I have a very complicated sexual relationship, being two asexuals that are actively in love with one another, yet don't demonstrate it in the ways which most do. It can become confusing, even misleading, with both of us feeling as if we aren't quite making contact. Yet, neither of us can let it go or give it up, either. We're both dedicated to continuing to try, come what may.

I've recently come to explore how much this bizarre connexion yet 'crossed wires' may be present in our Erotic profiles.

His Aries EROS can be very impulsive, and is often driven to pursue whatever is presently desired, very quickly -- almost as if he's got to do so before his better sense or inhibitions shut down the whole pursuit. Mine, in Scorpio, can range wildly, going to the extremes of seeking total union to the point of egoic annihilation, or seeking complete solitude, nearly going celibate for lengthy periods, in an effort to maintain control, and not surrender my personal power.

The fact that his EROS is 5H, and mine is 3H, is almost inconsequential. Yes, I do seek to explore through research, texts, and focussed self-driven study, my own as well as others' sexuality, and I actively communicate about it. He is a very playful lover, almost regressing to a more adolescent state -- fumbling, carefree, and 'pleasure-oriented' rather than goal-oriented. (But that came as a result of our work together.) But that's not a disconnect as much as it's merely forms of expression.

When we really get down to it, he's practically psychic in the ways he reads me in a manner I've never known before him. I also have a deep intuition with him that allows me to understand the many layers of his psychology or body language.

Scorpio is the higher octave of Aries via Pluto and Mars; but that's not it, is it? Kind of.

The key is that his EROS is disposited by his MARS in Libra; my EROS is disposited by my PLUTO in Libra.

These are exactly conjunct in our synastry. And it's Libra which operates both as a blessing and a curse; this subtle but profound linkage. We are polite, considerate, and also cerebral with one another, often to a fault. We're obsessive about consent, both naturally oriented towards asexuality, and, above all, can never be 'rude enough' to allow ourselves to truly sexually engage. We value our polished, proper conduct above all -- and often to the detriment of our erotic relationship.

And thus we end up in a bizarre quasi Victorian trap, unable to let the Libran go long enough to tap into true primality. Yet, we want to; we both become terribly frustrated and wondering what's wrong. And yet, it's also the Libran which allows us to avoid a great many argument, while also being clear communicators, deeply diplomatic, and constantly concerned about fairness and equality.

I would've missed this entirely, had I not been paying attention to the dispositor relationship. I've found it can be surprisingly revelatory.

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posted October 27, 2015 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh yes, dispositors are so crucial, I'm realizing this as well.

It's so interesting to read your interpretation. Because these passionate planets/asteroids/signs' dispositors are in Libra, consent is paramount in what would otherwise be read as totally impulsive libidinous energy.. and neither of you can be so 'rude' because of the Libra energy restraining you from that kind of unrestrained animalistic gorging... Beautifully interpreted, understood, integrated--and complementary

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posted October 27, 2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 27, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh.. bizarre quasi-Victorian..

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posted October 27, 2015 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Auby and Orange. I also use dwads and dispositors. Didn't mean to imply that only cross cycle placements correspond with harmonic resonance.

In the last few days, did a scan of about 2 decades, searching for cross cycle matches. However, the scalar synergy values came up short (about 75%) of Pattern Completion results. Looking for placements that turn my natal Cradle and Kite aspect mandalas into Grand Sextile (Star of David).

So far, I identified 3 candidates, born 5 Dec83, 30Sept88 (my fave), and 31Jan95. Would love feedback on the synastry comparisons and midpoint composites.

Already posted 1983 comp, but no response so far. Would love to share what I've discovered--but not absent any replies. No fun talking to myself.

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posted October 27, 2015 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was hard to understand what that one thread was about, at first. I would like to explore the resonance of those charts with yours, because it would obviously be a good educational exercise and because you've put such energy into it, etc! I haven't much time right now but i will take a closer look.

I'm born Nov 13 88 *eyebrow raise* .. I know that's not the same as September 30 though

Interesting line of exploration though, that's for sure!

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posted October 27, 2015 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's so desirable about the Grand Sextile though? It's nearness to a kind of aspect completion perfection? That's a beautiful dream..

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posted October 28, 2015 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ahh yes, dispositors are so crucial, I'm realizing this as well.

It's so interesting to read your interpretation. Because these passionate planets/asteroids/signs' dispositors are in Libra, consent is paramount in what would otherwise be read as totally impulsive libidinous energy.. and neither of you can be so 'rude' because of the Libra energy restraining you from that kind of unrestrained animalistic gorging... Beautifully interpreted, understood, integrated--and complementary


Thanks, Yun. I remember once when he's said a few months back that we 'need to be less considerate of each other' in this regard. He's done a great many things which have had me shaking my head, thinking, soooo Libra MARS. Oh, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't appreciate it; his politesse, extreme gentlemanly conduct, to the point of being 'postmodern Victorians'. But, yeah, when it's about sex, that's ... not so hot.

Something really clicked with the dispositor relationship, though; the realisation that so much energy from our EROS placements are being tempered, altered, or otherwise shifted into our MARS-PLUTO conjunction. That tells me it's karmic, too, as well as linked to the base dynamics of our whole relationship, with the 0°-0°30 conjunction to our composite ASC. The same conjunction to composite URANUS-DESTINN is intriguing, too; almost as the unconventional nature, the up and down, the flip-flopping, is all part of the karma and very fated.

URA rules our IC, furthering that message; but then that also means we're playing chicken with it, as URA is 0° conjunct the ASC -- from the 12H. It's all right there underneath the surface, and yet it is right there.

With, of all things, EROS. The MOON-EROS conjunction is right on the IC, 4H side, but in Aquarius. It's like this crazy cerebral loop that's so hard to break out of. It all returns to either those degrees -- 22°-23° Libra, and the MARS/PLUTO or Uranian and 'Erotic' energy.

Maybe the trick is to follow the actual conjunction. Now, composite URA disposits to VENUS -- on REGULUS, conjunct SUN-JUPITER. Ultimately, the basis remains rooted in our friendship and genuine warmth and affection for one another? I'll buy that. It truly does. Even in these confusing times, we still love each other deeply. And not in a platonic sense, either; we're just as much in love -- it just doesn't express itself through sex. It's definitely complicated. And now we're getting into early Virgo energy, so, it's going to be about helpfulness, quiet appreciation, well-meant criticism, and the desire for purity and health. So, yeah. There's also that!

Now, synastrically, my PLUTO disposits to my 12H VENUS (Virgo again) and his MARS curiously disposits to none other than his VENUS in Leo -- which is close to, but obviously nowhere near conjunct my VENUS. Still, there's an odd 'camaraderie' amongst our Venusian energies. Perhaps due to his being 9H, with my Venus dwad in Sagittarius; it's about deeper philosophies, no-labels, and searching for greater meaning and purpose -- for both of us.

Another potent aspect of any partile conjunction (or within a 3° orb max) is the likelihood they share the same dwad; especially if it's a 1°30 conjunction. That is, unless they're right on the edge of one dwad into the next. In our case, the 0°30 orb is just before the change, placing both in Gemini. So, ultimately, communication, learning, study, knowledge, versatility and experimentation has been the best way to make sense of our 'MARS-PLUTO issues' -- which double as EROS issues.

But -- 11°SCO'48 and 28°ARI'56 yet again share a commonality: the Pisces dwad. So, while our Eroses just don't seem to be able to REALLY get it together, there's a lot of quirky 'unity' amongst them, related to their dispositors -- the MARS/PLUTO Libran energy, and the dwads -- the Piscean energy.

I'm sure somewhere in there we'll find a way to achieve some sort of consistency. At least, I hope!

Interesting how my husband's MARS is in Pisces. So, my Eros (both of ours) has a Piscean flavour that empathises with his Martian energy. Huh. That's really very cool.

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posted October 28, 2015 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa, I LOVE Dragons!

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It was hard to understand what that one thread was about, at first. I would like to explore the resonance of those charts with yours, because it would obviously be a good educational exercise and because you've put such energy into it, etc! I haven't much time right now but i will take a closer look.

I'm born Nov 13 88 *eyebrow raise* .. I know that's not the same as September 30 though

Interesting line of exploration though, that's for sure!


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posted October 28, 2015 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, I love the extreme level of sheer resonant power that's incorporated in Grand Sextile aspect formation. Personally I enjoy ease and flow from all the sextiles, trines, and the two interlaced Grand Trines. They help resolve the challenges represented by the two oppositions.

I've developed a way to measure Scalar potentials--and, of all the major aspect formations, the Grand Sextile potential is the greatest.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What's so desirable about the Grand Sextile though? It's nearness to a kind of aspect completion perfection? That's a beautiful dream..

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