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Petronilla
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posted November 01, 2015 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure if I posted something like this before - I did mean to - but are any of you interested in synastry between enemies?

Out of curiosity, I've done this a bit with the people I come across in historical research, and I've been intrigued to notice that people who hate each other enough to harm or kill each other - people who, in short, are sworn enemies - actually often tend to have the kind of synastry that everyone would call HOT HOT HOT if they were lovers.

As a modern-day example, I can think of two straight males who really don't get along. Not only is there a palpable antagonism between them - kind of an "off" chemistry: like when people seem to be from different planets - but they're also rivals, professionally and in love. Nothing has happened (yet), but you can somehow feel that if they'd had enough to drink and exchanged a few heated words, things would escalate quickly. Put them in a less civilized era and put swords in their hands, and they'd probably try to kill each other. And they're forced to work together, so that must aggravate the situation for both.

I won't post their synastry here as I'm somehow uncomfortable with posting the charts of people without their permission (don't know why!), but, surprise surprise... here we have "sexy" synastry again.

Mars conjunct Venus/SN (exact).
The Mars person's Pluto squares that conjunction (3 degrees). This Pluto is also otherwise very active: among other things, it trines the other's Mars (1 degree), conjuncts the other's BML (1 degree) and the other's Juno (2 degrees).
Eros conjunct Eros (2 degrees); Eros square Pluto (2 degrees).
The Plutonian person's Venus, Jupiter and Eros are in the other's 8th house.

And so on, and so on. There are also pleasant-seeming aspects (like Venus sextile Sun, Mars sextile Moon) and some less pleasant ones (Sun square Mars, Sun square Saturn (exact), Venus square Saturn).

But anyway, that pair is another example of what I've noticed in those enemies from history. The synastry is often heavily Plutonian, and also in other ways (Venus-Mars etc.) what you'd call "sexy". Have you noticed the same?

And what should we make of that? That intense passion always carries in itself the potential for equally intense hatred...?

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Petronilla
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posted November 01, 2015 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, must add one interesting tidbit about those two men: the "Plutonian" man's Nessus is opposite the other's Sun/MC (1 degree) and his Dejanira is conjunct the other's Vertex (almost exact). His Nessus is also quindecile to the other's Venus AND Mars, on both sides (both quindeciles within 2 degrees).

It seems a bit eerie, considering that the "Plutonian" man does want the other's career and woman... embodying Nessus in a way?

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Petronilla
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posted November 01, 2015 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Petronilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I keep talking to myself, but I thought of one historical example where one person deceived the other in the worst possible way - meaning, he secretly sided with the enemy and tried to have the deceived party and his family killed. It's the kind of case where, with hindsight, you wonder how on earth the deceived person could have been so blind and foolish as to trust such an erratic character, because there were plenty of warning signs along the way.

I can't find the charts right now, but I found it interesting that it was very "romantic" synastry. Very Venusian, very Neptunian - and with Eros involved too, if I remember correctly. The deceiver probably knew exactly which buttons to push to put a spell on the deceived one.

I just found it fascinating how the chart fit the reality of what happened so well: a very extreme real-life example of a Neptunian deceiver, but in a very non-romantic context.

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posted November 02, 2015 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have much time now. But I will read more carefully. It's an interesting concept. It seems to agree with the theory that relates all basic instincts. So sexual impulse could be related to violence somehow in cases where fullfillment isn't viable.

I mean the synastry has the "lover aspects" but since that's not the real-life situation the intensity of feeling manifestates as hatred or repulsion.

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