posted November 04, 2015 03:18 PM            

We met last December and dated for a couple of months. Then he disappeared but kept popping in every so often keeping the communication alive. I tried to move things forward but gave up the idea realizing he was not acting like he wanted to progress things between us. I totally forgot about him and we pretty much didn’t talk in July and August. He reached out in Sept again but I was like whatever.

He revived our communication again about 3 weeks ago and we finally had a date. It was very comfortable and sweet evening. I felt he shared some personal things about him/his life and even said that he felt comfortable with me. We picked up right where we left as if we never parted although it had been 8 months since we last saw each other. We got intimate and it was just as amazing as when we first did it 8 months ago.

At that point, I thought I would give this guy a second chance as he started talking about us maybe trying dating and seeing where it goes, no promises of the wedding bells though….We’ve been texting since that date night but I am starting to sense that he is back to the same on/off, not progressing anywhere dynamic as it was when we first were dating. Our date was last Thursday and he has not made any plans to see each other.

So I am starting to feel upset and angry at myself for letting him whizzle his way into my life again and me buying into empty promises of a possibility of something between us. Thinking I should’ve just never let him back in the second time around but I can’t help but think that there is something between us that indicates that we are meant to be together. Like you know the feeling when you meet some people and then you never even think of them twice and wouldn’t even remember their names. But then there are those that you meet and you keep thinking of them and somehow end up coming back to each other like there is something….this is how it feels between us…

Question – am I being totally delusional here and just making this stuff up in my head about us possibly having a future together while all he really wants/wanted was to see if he can still have me when he wanted to or if there is really something that keeps pulling us together? It definitely feels fated that we have met and that the connection between us hasn't died out...

At this point I am getting very frustrated and trying to decide whether I should just cut him off completely for the sake of my inner peace or if I should let this drag on for a bit longer and see if he may change the way he’s been approaching this relationship. I would hate to remove him from my life if there are some strong aspects in our charts indicating that this could be a long term union (I am even thinking – marriage?!?).

Let me know if you need any other charts (natals, composite, Davison?) to better assess the situation. As always, appreciate everyone’s help!

I am on the inside the wheel, he is on the outside.

posted November 04, 2015 03:57 PM            

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Scorpio Venus action! Holy cow! I've been in your shoes before darling, and have felt the frustration you mention.

Ascendant vertex double whammy...crazy! Who's who?

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I am in blue on the inside the wheel, he is on the outside.

And yes, him being Sun and Merc Scorp adds to the whole double Venus in Scorp we have going on. I feel that he is very Scorpionic in a sense of being intense when we are together but being very aloof when we are not.

I can't shake off the feeling that he feels something so intensely for me that he is terrified to even dip his toe in the water with me because there is a possibility of feeling pain if things don't work out. I know he was really burnt in the past by a girl and I can see that it's still deep in his unconscious even though it was ages ago...

posted November 04, 2015 04:23 PM            

Sun/merc/nep in his chart fall into your 12. So that may cause some uneasiness to an extent. He's a slow mover in the trust department, and I think the cap moon adds to it. You know how that might play into things I'm sure with your own moon there. Neptune close to your ascendant MAY cause some delusion (is that right LL peeps?) But his chart makes me feel like he would be super cautious!

If you really want to try. Be patient. Take the initiative when you can. I'm not saying to be pushy cuz that probably wont help. Try talking to him...let him know you are happy he's back. Its tough girl! I know your pain!

posted November 04, 2015 04:45 PM            

But then he has a Scorp Venus and I would hope he'd be more forward with things b/c that's how I am. When I like someone, I am 100% zoomed in on them. So that's where my frustration comes. He doesn't seem to want to jump into this with both feet. WHY?!? It's not like we are strangers. We have known each other and even shared the most vulnerable parts of each other there is when we were intimate....so I am beyond frustrated

And yes, his bday is coming up and I was planning on taking him out to dinner but he already told me that his parents/family doing that (he is super close with his big family). I told him OK, how about the next day? And he said - "I'll let you know." WTF?!?! That really upset me b/c to me if a person I liked extended such invitation, I would be really happy to do that with them.

Here is our Composite Chart:

posted November 04, 2015 05:07 PM            

Thanks a MILLION!!!

Davison

My natal:

His natal:

posted November 04, 2015 05:54 PM            

Never, ever again. That's all I can say to that.

I've yet to determine if it's the ultimate empty-promises-fantasy-building ingredient, or if it just takes awhile to get off the ground. Never did for me, and we're talking a decade here.

Let's start with the obvious, though. Entering into anything with the feeling of 'I think we're meant to be together' MIGHT be why this is happening. It's just a pattern that's unlikely to lead to anything really all that great. It's highly possible he wanted to test the waters to see if he could get back into -- erm, your good graces, shall we say? -- and leave that at that.

Bloody LA men. The lot of them are so disconnected from reality, honestly.

As to the 'feeling fated', I've got to say, until you drop that feeling, you won't know for sure. Too many confounding variables, as they say, and we already know that you were feeling quite fated about another gentleman just a few weeks past -- if that.

These men also have a repeating pattern. They get a pass for 'secretly feeling intensely, but being too scared to take a chance, because of being burnt in the past, which is still driving their current behaviour -- even though it was ages ago.'

Remember that?

Even though, the entire theory is untested, and unfounded. It's all intuited, and based upon your feelings. And, as they say, one's heart has shiitake for brains.

I don't think it's them, so much as THEY are probably soulmates coming into your life to help you get off of a road that's leading you to feeling consistently unfulfilled and abandoned before anything's really gotten off the ground. You give way too much, then regret it, then -- because you're tired of beating yourself up, you find justification enough for it, which always gives them just enough of a pass, so that you can believe just enough in it -- and repeat the pattern. BUT with a new man.

If you enjoy sex, why not just let yourself do that? Why not enjoy sex with some fun partners with whom you have some good compatibility, so that you can enjoy a more casual relationship? Maybe your adherence to a strict set of principles that disallow ANY divergence is what's actually causing you to get locked into this pattern. Seems you're attracting men to you, for whom the last thing on their minds is marriage. But they certainly know how to dangle the bait long enough to get what they want.

I know -- it sounds terribly harsh, and I'm sorry for that. But these are the 'facts' as I see them. You're already susceptible to romantic fantasy, and it looks as if it might be causing some real problems -- preventing you FROM getting what it is you want, rather than bringing you closer TO it.

I suggest a protocol overhaul. Stop being a bride in search of a groom, and just let yourself live. You might be surprised. The TRULY right one might come along, because you've learnt an important lesson -- and are actually ready. Because I would caution anyone with this pattern against signing up in holy matrimony with someone. I'd worry they weren't quite seeing reality, and might end up making a bad choice. Ironic for a lunar Cap, but too much fantasy, not enough reality.

posted November 04, 2015 06:22 PM            

It was 11 October when you'd posted about Soul(mate) Man, whom you'd met online, and felt you were one person, unlike anything you'd ever known before, like it was The Real Deal. But, rather than meet you, he went with Party Girl, and that's been all we've heard of that.

That's technically 25 days ago -- four days off of three-weeks. And Disappearing Dude reappears -- like, I dunno, some demented Pokemon -- and I'm hearing a lot of the same spiel, as to why he's being a less-than-savoury individual, playing a lot of the same hands as Soul(mate) Man did.

Don't forget what you'd said, in that thread, directly referencing him, too:

'I think that the real lesson for me in this situation, above everything else, is to learn how to be patient and trust the Universe. The interesting thing is that that's exactly what I think this other Scorp I wrote about in another thread was sent into my life to do. The things I've experienced with both of them have made me very edgy and thrown me out of my comfort zone. Some things that I've said and done are not something I typically do and go against the general way I am when it comes to dealing with men and relationships. So I think he, just like the other Scorp guy, is a great teacher in current situation.'

You'd also mentioned that, with Soul(mate) Man, that he was burnt badly in the past by a woman he opened up to too quickly, and the emotional toll it took upon him has made him reticent to move forward -- with you. But, as far as we know, he's dating Party Girl -- yes?

Either the lesson wasn't learnt, and here comes the Disappearing Scorpio yet again, for another round, to see if MAYBE, THIS TIME, it's gonna hit. Just a theory. But it's not a bad one, considering the facts.

This is unlikely all the stuff you actually want to hear, but I think in order to assess the situation correctly, you need to take it all into account. You are a Virgoan, after all. It's critical analysis time. Put the Neptunian rose-coloured specs away, and look at this in the cold, hard light of day.

posted November 04, 2015 06:45 PM            

Just something that I want to mention in response to your reply. The "fated" guy that you referred me speaking on about a month ago, that is done and done. I felt what I felt and what I am feeling in this situation is nothing different. I think all who have looked at the previous guy¡¦s chart and this guy and my synastry with him can see that there is a proof and validity (planetary positions) to why I feel this way. Agree? I also want to mention that I have not had a serious relationship since 2011 and although dated here and there, I have not done much dating. So to you it may seem like every guy I post about on this board feels "fated"¨ or "the one" to me, but these are the only 2 instances that you happen to see within a month and your observation of me being romantically inclined is incorrect. I don't fall in love easily and have not been in years. This guy and the other guy just happened to come into my life around the same time, which is what you are seeing posted in this forum, but you fail to see that this has happened within 5 year span time.

Now as to sex. No I don't enjoy casual sex (not because I don't like sex, the opposite is true) and it's exactly for that reason why I don't just date and have fun. It's much more meaningful to me than just getting off and having some 1-2 hours of passion and blowing the steam with someone I am not connected on ALL levels. I think I had touched on this too in my previous posts. Being a Venus in Scorpio that is the only way I would want to become intimate with a man having "body/mind/soul" connection. And it's for that reason that when I "select" a man that I would like to date, I am seeing something in that person that makes me feel/believe that this is the person I would like to consider building something together.

I am not 25 anymore and I don't want to just date for the sake of dating. Done that and it was fun when I did it. Now I want substance, beyond superficiality of I like you, I like you too, let's go to dinner and have sex afterward. Yes, I want to get married and have a family. What's wrong with that? I don't think that makes me the bride looking for the groom. You may see it that way, I don't. I just don't want to pretend that I am not looking for a serious relationship by casually dating someone and waiting out for months and months on end to see if something may pan out without really knowing where that person stands. I would not mind doing that and taking the "let's date and when we get there, we'll get there" approach with a man who is on the same page as me - wanting a meaningful relationship. Sorry, I just don¡¦t have time to just date. With that approach, dating one guy for 2-3 months, failing to progress anywhere, dating another guy, failing to progress and so forth, it won't be a far-fetched fact that I will turn 45 and be wondering what the hell went wrong. We all have our prerogatives and how we approach things. Some women date casually and don't mind sleeping with men in hopes of it turning into something serious one day. For some it works, but from my personal experience and experience of my friends, it doesn't. I don't prescribe to that approach now although I did in my 20's for the past 10 years and it never really worked out for me. Plus you know how it is in LA, it's 10 times harder to find a man who doesn't have commitment/emotional issues (not saying I don't but at least I am aware of them and I have worked long and hard to get where I am today as a woman).

Anyways, back to my post. I would like to know the specifics of our synastry. I would appreciate input on any important/significant aspects that you guys may see in our charts. In short, does it make sense for me to be patient and continue with this guy since I wanted to give him a second chance, or do you see that it would never progress anywhere, just like it didn't the first time around, and I should really consider those aspects and cutting him off completely?

posted November 04, 2015 06:49 PM            

They're all going to be duds until you change your pattern. Or, though it's ... odd to be essentially quoting a notorious serial murderer -- look at your game, girl.

posted November 04, 2015 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'd say go with your intuition.

They're all going to be duds until you change your pattern. Or, though it's ... odd to be essentially quoting a notorious serial murderer -- look at your game, girl.

You and my husband's girlfriend share a birthday, so I've studied 'your' solar return. Trust me on this one. There are reasons this is happening.

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Aubyanne, again, you are not helping with "look at your game" and " there is a reason why this is happening" lol

Can you please be specific? Why is this happening? What do you see in my/his chart that points to this dynamic?

Trust me, if I could decipher between my intuition and my mind chatter, I would not be posting on here

posted November 04, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Either the lesson wasn't learnt, and here comes the Disappearing Scorpio yet again, for another round, to see if MAYBE, THIS TIME, it's gonna hit. Just a theory. But it's not a bad one, considering the facts.

This is unlikely all the stuff you actually want to hear, but I think in order to assess the situation correctly, you need to take it all into account. You are a Virgoan, after all. It's critical analysis time. Put the Neptunian rose-coloured specs away, and look at this in the cold, hard light of day.

You've GOT to see some repeating patterns here.

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Yes, I see the patterns. I also know why I keep attracting/getting interested in the guys of this sort. That's my childhood issues and issues of abandonment with my dad and my first love. So I get that on the intellectual level, and that is most likely my soul's lesson - to learn to love myself and never look for love outside of myself.

I get this on the intellectual level and believe me I have been hit hard with these realizaitons in the last year or so. Yet, as a human, someone who has the emotions, after all, common, I can't separate my mind/emotional body from my astral/soul body, I want to experience things and understand why this is happening and how to go about it. If I could separate the two, I would never be visiting this type of boards or asking others for their input. I would just know everything that happens that same second and know why and how to deal with it without it letting affect me as a human being. I am NOT that evolved

posted November 04, 2015 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Trust me, if I could decipher between my intuition and my mind chatter, I would not be posting on here

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That's where I'm trying to help out, specifically.

The truth is, I've been doing this stuff for a relatively long time; 25 years. In that time, I've had my mind blown, and my heart broken. I've learnt its limits. Since the curious girl at age 9 who fell in love with the movement of the planets 'through' the zodiacal belt, I've become the wisened pro who no longer abides by its dictates exclusively. Especially since I became the 'cautionary tale', thanks to my whizzbang composite being a total delusional dud. To paraphrase the talented research astrologer iQ, 'astrology is 95% adept at correctly assessing twin flames; but there will be that statistical anomaly that returns the false positive.'

Hi there. How ya doin'? Mine was the statistical anomaly. Nice to meet you.

We won't even get into all of the heartache, pain, and YEARS I suffered under this weird delusion that he was 'the one' somehow. And intuition has NEVER been 'my thing'. I'm the hardcore sceptic. I used to be a debunker. I've come a long way since then.

So, what can astrology DO?

Well, barring that -- and bearing that in mind -- it can do quite a lot. Within reason.

It CAN'T tell you this is the one for you. It CAN'T tell you this is the one you're going to marry; it CAN tell you if there's potential for it. Of course, you've also got to realise, statistically-speaking, you're going to share that potential with plenty of whom you'll never marry as well.

So, what's the deal?

I like to do something called multidimensional astrology these days; I look at all levels of calculation systems -- the Draconic, for what we're striving towards; the sidereal, for where we've been; and the tropical -- for what's here in the now.

The TRULY exceptional cases, I've discovered, will have MAJOR hits -- statistically improbable hits -- across all three domains.

Otherwise, those that I call 'tropical soulmates' are the ones that are the soul-connexion version of single-serving friend, (thank you, Palahniuk). They're here to impart a lesson, and off they go. But, oh, man. You KNOW when you've got, like, a quarterback versus a third-stringer.

Sun conjunct Moon!
Eros conjunct Psyche!
Isis conjunct Osiris!
Vertex on the Ascendant!

HOLY CATS ... THIS HAS TO BE REAL!

... Yeah, no. Sorry to disappoint. Send in the clowns.

(Oh.)

The Universe is ... erm -- cheeky -- shall we say? Bit of 'tough love' there, when it wants to REALLY make a point, and it seems we are JUST. NOT. GETTING IT.

Yeah. THAT's when it starts going for broke. Sending in close proximal soulmates. Those who'll take our breath away, and make us pinch ourselves.

' ... is this real life?' Only kind of. A very nice facsimile. But, no, we're still in the Matrix, Neo. We're not out of the maze.

The best means I've found of navigating and bloody SURVIVING this labyrinthine obstacle course is to take my hands off of the wheel. Completely. Go zen. No expectations. Just let it roll, baby. Let it roll.

I'm not saying that's THE approach to take; I'm saying it's working (mostly) for me.

But I've been too shunted around by close-promixal soul group, and karmic soulmates to really place too much stock in the datasets yielded by our birthdata. These days, it's a multi-tiered method. I go with intellect, then intuition, then the charts, and, above all -- the common-sense test. Are these people together? Is there any likelihood that X is feeling what Y is feeling? There's a lot of doubt? Well ... that's an issue.

Because, OH, have I played the 'he's feeling secretly intensely, he's just too scared to act on it' game. I've got THAT merit badge, thank-ye-very-much. Lot of blood, sweat, and tears for that one. And it's tough to say whether it really, truly was worth it.

So, these days, I observe the potential present in the charts. Then I see what's really going on, per the individual posting them -- their account of reality. Some things are obvious. Some require a bit more digging.

Given your solar return aspects, (now, mind, your Ascendant placements are different, so the houses will be, too) and all of this happening smack in the midst of a big eclipse cycle, I'm seeing kaaaaarma-karma-karma-karma-karma. In other words, you've got to clear THOSE stages before you even get to the final 'boss round' -- as it were -- and break the loop.

Hence, why I'd suggested coasting for awhile. At least until May. Elsewise, best laid plans could become your new concern, as things finally start to come together, only to crumble apart, because they weren't built upon the right foundation, with solid footing.

Now, if you're purely interested in things like, what does his Scorpio VENUS mean to your Cap MOONS, then there are very talented and wonderful astrologers here to give you the skinny on those.

But I operate on a whole new level these days. I go for the jugular, and take no prisoners. Fool me once, Universe ....

posted November 04, 2015 07:48 PM            

And I had no idea you were such a skilled astrologer, wow! I can barely know what to look for in a simple synastry chart, forget Composite and others...and you are talking about something I had no idea existed.

Anyways, of course I am with you on that one needs to use common sense and assess the situation based on what's true for him/her at this present moment of the relationship and then look at other aid materials to make sound judgments.

That is why I am posting here. I see the pattern with this guy, I now understand my personal dynamic that has prevailed through my past relationships and what some of the lessons of those and current relationships are. I analyze, I compare, I reflect, I try to single out the main points, learn the lesson, be grateful, move on, live, love, do good, fall in love again, feel, learn some other lessons and so it goes...

So with that, I definitely take into account that I should just let go and trust God (another karmic lesson my soul has in this life time) and with time, I know I will do that as that's what typically happens once I've done enough analyzing, agonizing, forcing, not excepting, excepting, allowing and so forth. I may not get it in day one, may be slow than some, but definitely quick to become aware of the overall picture of a situation and what needs to be done at the end.

And now I am wondering if you would be so kind to give me your professional advice as an astrologer since you seem to be far more advanced than me and others on some other boards that I have visited. Would you be able to outline some main/interesting points on our synastry that you would want me to know in order for me to move on/move forward or simply have some sort of a resolution of this case?

If you know, and something tells me that you might, what lessons I may need to learn through this and seemingly similar other relationships, please let me know. Even if it's your personal opinion. I am always open to other's points of view.

And what transits are you talking about? For me or for him?

posted November 04, 2015 08:52 PM            

1.) Yeah, you guys have pretty good synastry
2.) However, he, like the other dude, treats you as dispensable, so it's useless to look at synastry as a solution to their behavior
3.) Great synastry means nothing in the macro context of shifty interactions where a genuine, agreed upon relationship has yet to be established
4.) Soulmates often do not have flawless synastry
5.) Flawless synastry doesn't mean that a bad situation is salvageable
6.) In these past two cases, synastry has been a way for you to cope and justify the shady behavior of these two guys

Honestly, no one here is trying to call you a clueless, lovelorn idiot. It would be terrible if anyone tried to imply that! You are an extremely intelligent, capable woman and no respectable astrologer wants to lump you into the pile of people facing unrequited love. You want answers - but as Auby is tactfully pointing out, there is nothing any of us can say to get into his mind because synastry/composites simply cannot provide that.

Although, in defense of Vertex/ASC double whammys, me and my boyfriend have stood the test of time with them

Auby mentioned transits.. I think they're pretty important to analyze here. This man has a massive stellium in Scorpio. Saturn just got finished dumping a three year-long acidic shower of responsibility onto this stellium, and yet.. the man is still playing childish games with you and possibly others. This seems to be a question of deep seated personality flaws rather than transits considering Saturn is now in Sagittarius.

You, the Capricorn Moon in the earlier degrees, are going through transiting Pluto conjunct your Moon. You met someone with their Pluto on your North Node with a giant, Pluto-ruled stellium in Scorpio. Perhaps this is indeed a karmic relationship - karmic in that patterns are being repeated, and Pluto is trying to teach you a lesson about your intuition (Moon)?

Your Chiron RX loosely conjunct his Saturn RX... also a karmic placement. Chiron is the "wounded healer", Saturn is a ruthless, unfeeling God of Time that would rather eat his own descendants than face death, short sighted in the fact that one lives an eternal life through their progeny. This is in your 5th house - the house of one-on-one interpersonal relationships, sex, recreation, procreation. The theme of "lessons" pops up again in this synastry.

His Sun/Neptune/Mercury falls in your 12th house. He will always be elusive to you, and you will never truly "know" him. He will always be mysterious and baffling. Mercury, the ruler of his Pluto, sends the messenger God into your subconscious. Another Plutonic theme.

posted November 05, 2015 01:21 PM            

Athenaia, thank you for your kind words. I didn't think Aubyanne or anyone else on this forum ever had the attitude of putting people down. I will definitely look into reading up on Pluto transit as well as Chiron/Saturn aspect.

I was wondering if you and others can tell me more about particular aspects that I think are important but I am not sure (?)

Obviously, it's been mentioned over and over again - ASC/Vertex double whammy. Is this something really that bad?? I mean judging by Aubyanne's reaction to that aspect, I thought this guy and I were doomed, lol. Is this some sort of a restrictive aspect that blocks a relationship from moving forward?

Also, are these of any significance (I could not find anything in the internet that would give any good insight):

1) My Moon in his 7th House
2) Moon/Juno double whammy
3) My Moon on his DC
4) My Psyche conjunct his Sun & Mercury
5) His Pluto conjunct my NN
6) My Sun on his IC (what is IC and DC - any importance at all?)
7) My NN on his MC and his NN on my MC. Asking because I thought NN is the direction where one would be going in their life but I am not sure if MC is anything worth noticing in this case...

Any of the House overlays in our synastry important at all??

posted November 05, 2015 02:38 PM            

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Obviously, it's been mentioned over and over again - ASC/Vertex double whammy. Is this something really that bad?? I mean judging by Aubyanne's reaction to that aspect, I thought this guy and I were doomed, lol. Is this some sort of a restrictive aspect that blocks a relationship from moving forward?

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Quite the opposite. It's more like BIG ol' mallet of fate coming in and KNOCKING you unconscious. Good lord, is it ever felt! It also feels completely inescapable. It's very THINGS-ARE-HAPPENING; this is BIG-AND-IMPORTANT! PAAAAY ATTENTION!

I've had it with two people, from what I can recall. My ex-producing partner -- and my first monster. Actually, I think I've got a 2º conjunction with one of my oldest besties -- so, there's that.

I'd say the ASC-VERTEX link will simply be a giant waving flag, which draws your attention to the rest of the synastry. It's fated. Sometimes, the lessons are really hard; sometimes the friendship is lifelong, and sometimes, you're stuck together.

I'd say it's an extremely variable, but very, very potent link.

posted November 05, 2015 03:10 PM            

Still, would you please give me your opinion on the aspects that I mentioned. I don't know if any of those are even important? It's just they jumped at me but again, I am waaayy too new to astrology...

posted November 05, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Thank you for your input, llewsacm. I was thinking that b/c he has Cap Moon, he appears rather unemotional, I know I appear that way to a lot of people but that's a protection mask coz I actually feel deeply, just don't want people to see it. So I want to believe that that's what causes him being rather distant, plus being a Scorp Sun and Cancer ASC....Don't they feel like 50 times more than other signs? lol

But then he has a Scorp Venus and I would hope he'd be more forward with things b/c that's how I am. When I like someone, I am 100% zoomed in on them. So that's where my frustration comes. He doesn't seem to want to jump into this with both feet. WHY?!? It's not like we are strangers. We have known each other and even shared the most vulnerable parts of each other there is when we were intimate....so I am beyond frustrated

And yes, his bday is coming up and I was planning on taking him out to dinner but he already told me that his parents/family doing that (he is super close with his big family). I told him OK, how about the next day? And he said - "I'll let you know." WTF?!?! That really upset me b/c to me if a person I liked extended such invitation, I would be really happy to do that with them.

Here is our Composite Chart:

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posted November 05, 2015 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Still, would you please give me your opinion on the aspects that I mentioned. I don't know if any of those are even important? It's just they jumped at me but again, I am waaayy too new to astrology...

As always, appreciate your input!

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No worries. I think Athenaia hit the nail on the head, and perfectly expressed my take on your situation. These aspects and placements are meaningless until something actually warrants our attention to them -- as far as I'm concerned.

MOON in the other's 7H? Sure, it can be good. I've had it with lovers, enemies, and friends. MOON/JUNO DW? Had that one, too. Can be great in the right circumstances, or brutal in the wrong ones.

MOON on DSC? Shows that the MOON is directing their emotional energy into the house which rules marriage and committed relationships. Seeing as it's a dual placement, we'd assume that there's a mutuality there. In the context of an active committed relationship, I'd look to see HOW these aspects and placements are operating in that regard. I'd give them more focus, because they're 'classic relationship' aspects according to some. Although, I'm always a bit reticent to agree, given how often we can see the 7H / MOON in other circumstances -- for example, a defendant and the opposing counsel. In which case it's now more 'the house of open enemies'.

Curiously enough, in astrology, the 7H rules both our spouse and anyone who's openly declared themselves our enemy. Funny, no? So transits to my husband's 7H are both indicative of me, and also the opposing counsel in the lawsuit he's currently fighting.

PSYCHE conjunct SUN is another double-edged sword. I've got this with my husband. He knows JUST how to hurt me, as it feels as if my most vulnerable parts are right there at the surface with him. In the instance of PSYCHE/SUN, I'd say tread extremely carefully, until you know this is someone you can trust. Because paper cuts will feel like lacerations across your soul. I've had to seriously toughen up, to be able to withstand what he considered 'minor things'.

So, it's another one of those extremely 'context dependent' things. In a trust relationship where SUN is acutely aware of the impact it can have upon PSYCHE -- it could be interesting. Maybe creating incredible art, or they use it together to become activists.

This power must be used for good and not evil, in other words, otherwise PSYCHE takes the hit. (And boy, can it hit. I ended up in therapy.)

I get annoyed with everyone touting JUNO links as being some kind of 'perfect marriage' thing, too. God, no. JUNO is not simply about marriage. JUNO is about right relations in any committed relationship or marriage. It's about making sure you're 'getting yours' in the relationship, and aren't being taken advantage of. So, whenever I see JUNO in a dual aspect, I know that these are factors which will become an issue.

Rather than think, 'oh, these guys will marry,' I think, 'oh, issues surrounding equality are going to be a factor, if they ever become involved where there's a commitment to one another.' Hope that helps clarify some of the 'Juno' business. Plus, so many people will feel shocked and betrayed when their JUNO-heavy relationships are a dud, or proved to be hell rather than heaven. Even good aspects to JUNO -- like trines and sextiles -- aren't a guarantee. But they MIGHT show there's a greater ease in resolving these issues.

I've heard a lot about PLUTO/NN. None of it that good, to be honest. A lot of what you're describing. Lots of volatility which results in a deep transformation for the NNODE. Almost as if PLUTO comes in to gut them in some way, so that they can go on towards circumstances better suited for them. I know it's not what you want to hear, and please don't quote me, but this is what I've picked up from those who've written about the aspect. I'm not sure what orb they were using, though.

For me, orbs ALWAYS matter.

SUN on the IC may actually be what's causing a big issue between you. It's a super sensitive part of the chart -- even may more so than PSYCHE. Any time something hits our IC, we feel naked, exposed, and extremely vulnerable.

And, honey, if you're hitting his IC, and he's treating you like a booty-call, that's a BIG clue regarding his current level of emotional maturity. There's this unconscious sense that the SUN is going to illuminate everything we hide about ourselves -- not in a 12H sort of way, where we're even hiding it FROM ourselves. More like the Ivy Leaguer who came from the slums, and doesn't know his paternity. It can really wreck those carefully constructed images we've erected in order to appear 'better' to the world.

The SUN is like a blinding flashlight; it highlights anything it touches. And if it's his IC that's being illuminated, it's like walking into someone's home and finding stacks of newspaper on the floor, covering other stacks of newspaper on the floor, in which animal fecal matter is sandwiched between them.

Because we ALWAYS opt for the worst case scenario.

Now, I'd be immediately wary of a man with whom there's been sexual relations, but he's flipping out about the potential of real emotional vulnerability and bonding. Danger, Will Robinson. I won't say he's a player, per se, but I WILL say that he wants to get off without consequences. And that's hardly the sort of man you're looking for.

Finally, your NNODE on his MC, along with his PLUTO, shows some link between the previous PLUTO relationship, and all-things-MC -- the public eye, one's career, our most 'public face'. The antithesis of the IC; it's where we're OUT there, rather than behind closed doors. I guess if he's about to make a huge career overhaul, or has a job which deals in Plutonian themes -- the mass media, crisis management, the criminal element (like law enforcement), or even 'death and taxes' -- the combo could potentially lead you into a growth position.

In all honesty, depending upon the orb, that MAY end up being the reason why you met. Something about his career could prove instrumental in getting you further along in your own life where you're looking to go.

Now, since it's a dual-placement -- you both have NNODE-MC between you, this is mutual -- minus PLUTO. HE could benefit from you in this professional or vocational sense. Something about YOUR career, or direction in life, could prove very important to his own spiritual development -- which is really what the NNODE is about.

posted November 05, 2015 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:

He revived our communication again about 3 weeks ago and we finally had a date. It was very comfortable and sweet evening. I felt he shared some personal things about him/his life and even said that he felt comfortable with me.

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your composite shows psyche at 1cap25. mercury was square to psyche on 10/6 to 10/11/15 and mercury was exactly conjunct the node on the 9th and 11th of October as it formed a station on the node changing form retrograde to direct motion during this period.

this transit of mercury would correlate to his appearance and the soothing and prescient words he used to woo you back.

posted November 05, 2015 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
this transit of mercury would correlate to his appearance and the soothing and prescient words he used to woo you back.

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Actually, it's a LOT simpler than all that.

tSUN hit their cSUN, at 1º applying. It's basically been steadily sweeping along the range of that Libran stellium they have there.

In my opinion, around 27 October (tSUN at 04º Scorpio) is when I'd expect to see him starting to drift, and 'plan' his exit. Namely, because it touched off of cVENUS, and there's nothing until cMARS.

But, in support of your December theory, tSUN conjunct cMARS (+/- 3º) could certainly bring him back around, early mid-December -- 10-13, somewhere in there.

Then, after tSUN hits the cMOON, about a month later (13 January 2016), with that tMERCRx 0º conjunct the tSUN, I'm thinking he'll make his final appearance, and then exeunt stage left.

posted November 06, 2015 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I like this dude Todd. Todd, you are straight to the point! No bs man...gotta love it. 😊

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thanks llewscam.
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glad there are some here who appreciate straight forward interpretations and are not simply using this as a social forum for their friends