posted November 10, 2015 11:37 AM            

Draconic

His pluto trine my Proserpina

My pluto trine his Proserpina

Synastry

His Pluto conjunct my Proserpina

My Pluto conjunct his Proserpina

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posted November 10, 2015 01:56 PM            

Proserpina opposite Pluto -1°39

Draconic

His pluto trine my Proserpina - 0°57a

My pluto trine his Proserpina - 0°55a

Synastry

His Pluto conjunct my Proserpina - 1°02s

My Pluto conjunct his Proserpina - 1°03s

Composite

Pluto conjunct Proserpina - 0°01s

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Orbs?

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posted November 12, 2015 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
You're familiar with the myth, right?

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posted November 13, 2015 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Yes I know about the myth but what does it mean when this aspect is in every chart?

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I'd really need you to upload actual charts. This is a bit too vague. It might be something as simple as with how slow PLUTO moves, and these individuals being born close together. I really would have to look at the charts.

posted November 13, 2015 01:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'd really need you to upload actual charts. This is a bit too vague. It might be something as simple as with how slow PLUTO moves, and these individuals being born close together. I really would have to look at the charts.

Otherwise, it's pretty straightforward. If you find these aspects appearing in near-exact orb in every one of your relationships, that myth should be something you study in great psychological depth, as it's trying to 'tell you something' about your own life, attachments, and patterns of relating.

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posted November 13, 2015 01:58 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
No he and I are not born during the same year he is 13 years older than I am.

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Funny! That's the age difference I've got with my boyfriend, actually.

posted November 13, 2015 02:03 AM            

Davison

Draconic

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'd really need you to upload actual charts. This is a bit too vague. It might be something as simple as with how slow PLUTO moves, and these individuals being born close together. I really would have to look at the charts.

Otherwise, it's pretty straightforward. If you find these aspects appearing in near-exact orb in every one of your relationships, that myth should be something you study in great psychological depth, as it's trying to 'tell you something' about your own life, attachments, and patterns of relating.

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posted November 13, 2015 02:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Funny! That's the age difference I've got with my boyfriend, actually.

But I thought you were referencing several synastries in which that is occurring? I'm a bit confused now. Is it one synastry, or many of them with a repeating pattern?

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posted November 13, 2015 02:06 AM            

You've got it 'in every chart'. Not with every one you've studied. Okay, THAT makes a LOT more sense.

Well, 'every chart' is just a calculation of the same date. So if you've already got a dual conjunction in synastry, you're going to have a tight aspect, usually 0º, in composite. And Draconic. And the Davison. That's just how the math works.

posted November 13, 2015 02:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ahhhhhh.

You've got it 'in every chart'. Not with every one you've studied. Okay, THAT makes a LOT more sense.

Well, 'every chart' is just a calculation of the same date. So if you've already got a dual conjunction in synastry, you're going to have a tight aspect, usually 0º, in composite. And Draconic. And the Davison. That's just how the math works.

So, are you asking why you have a PLUTO/PROSERPINA theme?

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posted November 13, 2015 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Yes why do we have the Pluto/Proserpina theme? What exactly does it mean? Proserpina was innocent and Hades kidnapped her wasn't it something about everything happened to her in order to help her grow? When I think about it this aspect does seem fitting. But what happens in the end? In the myth Proserpina was married to Hades and had to stay with him in the underworld part of the time. So they never actually completely separated from each other. Only for awhile when she was able to spend time on earth. is this how it plays out in synastry as well?

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In synastry, it's leaving behind childhood, or the familiar. It's essentially evolving; especially becoming a sexual being, and an independent individual. Persephone became Queen of the Underworld in her own right. But, yes, there are sacrifices that must be made in order to acquire such power, prestige, and honour.

As it's dual conjunctions, you're both equally in the role of both Persephone (Proserpina) and Hades (Pluto).

posted November 13, 2015 04:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In synastry, it's leaving behind childhood, or the familiar. It's essentially evolving; especially becoming a sexual being, and an independent individual. Persephone became Queen of the Underworld in her own right. But, yes, there are sacrifices that must be made in order to acquire such power, prestige, and honour.

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posted November 13, 2015 06:52 AM            

Between my chart and the chart of The Person That I Have To Deal With (father of child, accidental pregnancy), we have:

Synastry
His Pluto conjunct my Persephone, 1.44*

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Pluto conjunct Persephone 1.48*

Draconic
Nothing much here, except a square of 6* (way too wide) but his Pluto is at 1 Libra (SN) and my Persephone is on his antiVertex (0*). Which I take to mean that the roles are something that we should/will work to get away from.

In my case, bearing in mind that I looked them up in the first place because the myth seemed to resonate with my experience in some ways, there's a hefty mutual, physical fascination which I spend my life fighting, his coming into my life was the advent of some massive changes (none of which I was particularly thrilled about when they occurred), our relationship is very changeable and can go from being incredibly warm and helpful to extremely civil-but-frosty and he tends to make the decisions - I am more reactive and work on distancing myself when appropriate.

Oh, and my mum doesn't like him. She feels that I should've moved closer to my parents when I had our child, rather than staying here so that he could see him. Hello Ceres.

Oddly enough, in the rest of our charts it's my Pluto that's going crazy on his, but his does currently have Pluto transitting his sun sign, in the 5th.

So, all-in-all, I tend to feel that the whole Pluto-Proserpina/Persephone myth is pretty potent and dynamic! In your case, though, I think that a) Proserpina is much more proactive and liberated than Persephone and b) the mutual DW-ness means that it's two-way, rather than indicative of a massive nasty power-imbalance. So I would imagine that it's rather nice.

I'm just going to steer clear of pomegranates in future.

posted November 13, 2015 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by FireandSpiritandDew:
Oh, and my mum doesn't like him. She feels that I should've moved closer to my parents when I had our child, rather than staying here so that he could see him. Hello Ceres.
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I'm just going to steer clear of pomegranates in future.

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posted November 13, 2015 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I like that!

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posted November 13, 2015 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
In synastry, it's leaving behind childhood, or the familiar. It's essentially evolving; especially becoming a sexual being, and an independent individual. Persephone became Queen of the Underworld in her own right. But, yes, there are sacrifices that must be made in order to acquire such power, prestige, and honour.

As it's dual conjunctions, you're both equally in the role of both Persephone (Proserpina) and Hades (Pluto).

Do you feel as if you've both experienced dramatic transformations in your life since your relationship begun? That you've each grown and evolved in ways you hadn't before? Where you're both 'taking each other down into the Underworld' ?

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posted November 13, 2015 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I didn't know sex had anything to do with it is that also a part of the myth? He and I aren't in a relationship we met online and live in different states. However we have met in person and we were intimate. The sexual experience I had with him was new to me. Also he does motivate me when it comes to becoming a better person. So the dual conjunction means that we are both acting as Hades and Persephone so I could be having a effect on him as well?

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Yeah, it's really sexual - different versions disagree about whether it was a rape or an over-enthusiastic seduction, but either which way he basically kidnaps her, isolates her from her family and forces her to be his wife. Proserpina becomes powerful in her own right on the back of it, but I think remains quite subserviant to him. Persephone is just miserable, so far as I can gather, but gets six months off a year to spend with her mother.

posted November 13, 2015 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by FireandSpiritandDew:
Yeah, it's really sexual - different versions disagree about whether it was a rape or an over-enthusiastic seduction, but either which way he basically kidnaps her, isolates her from her family and forces her to be his wife. Proserpina becomes powerful in her own right on the back of it, but I think remains quite subserviant to him. Persephone is just miserable, so far as I can gather, but gets six months off a year to spend with her mother.

It's pretty dark, and has themes of coercion, power and sexual obsession in it. As I said, I think that if it's balanced in your charts then it's less of an issue. And, of course, if you're comfortable in it and feel safe.

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posted November 13, 2015 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
The myth really doesn't have a ending. So how would it play out for the two people who have it in synastry? Would the two people always be in each others lives? Being as though Persephone never actually left Hades.

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posted November 13, 2015 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by FireandSpiritandDew:
I don't think that any synastry or chart can tell you that someone will always be in your life. I'd say your charts indicate that certain elements of the myth will be present for as long as the relationship continues.

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posted November 13, 2015 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
The elements will be present even though it's a friendship? I'll be reading over the myth but I'm not sure what parts of the story I should compare to our synastry.

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I'd say the parts of the story that ring a bell! I only looked up Proserpina and Persephone because I read the myth first and saw some similarities, if I hadn't I might have remained in blissful ignorance and focused on other things.

The way that I see it, story is only really a trope or a meme, written to clarify an idea about one particular type of relationship, or one particular element in a relationship as a whole. The other aspects between other bodies in your chart will give you an insight (possibly a stronger one, as Proserpina/Persephone are really only teeny-tiny asteroids).