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Aquarian Moon
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posted November 13, 2015 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you deal with this energy with another person?

I am the Mars. It's not always an issue, but when I get angry at him, the feeling is unpleasant. I have overwhelming feelings of wanting to verbally tear him apart. Rationally, I don't want to do that. We have mutual friends. After speaking with a friend, I understand that he is triggering my shadows.

Is there a way to overcome this without feeling victimized over and over again?

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yungang_grotto
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posted November 13, 2015 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What signs are Mars and Pluto in? I have found that a constructive/positive/sexual outlet for the energy must exist in this combo, or it is destructive and explosive... it's just too much energy to be contained

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posted November 13, 2015 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What signs are Mars and Pluto in? I have found that a constructive/positive/sexual outlet for the energy must exist in this combo, or it is destructive and explosive... it's just too much energy to be contained

Thanks for your reply! My Mars is in Leo, his is in Scorpio.

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posted November 14, 2015 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Readytochill     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquarian Moon:
Thanks for your reply! My Mars is in Leo, his is in Scorpio.

I have Mars in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio natally so anyone from my generation will be Pluto. I agree with yungang_grotto that a positive outlet is needed. I only get super angry with my love interests so it works out perfectly. When I feel that intense emotion about to come out, I can release it sexually. It can scare them at first, but from my experience, they're pleasantly surprised. I suggest knowing a bit beforehand what they will and will not tolerate.

If you're experiencing this with someone platonic, take a few deep breaths and remove yourself from the environment. Take a breather. Maybe hit the gym. Anything active.

I definitely understand. It can be totally hard to deal with.


I thought we were talking natally (used to hanging out in the Astrology 2.0 section) Oops

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yungang_grotto
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posted November 14, 2015 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquarian Moon:
Thanks for your reply! My Mars is in Leo, his is in Scorpio.

Mhm.. That was the combo I had--I was Pluto in Scorpio and his Mars was on my Leo MC.

This particular square in those particular fixed signs is supposed to be the one of the hardest aspects to deal with. So take heart... you're doing well, considering!

Know that Pluto is likely actually feeling attacked and defensive, even if it seems like they are coming from the depths of hell with all of its arsenal...

This combo is most difficult in a non-sexual relationship. The instinctive anger is very intense. I would perhaps advise the ninja move of avoiding fights at all costs. You may have mutual friends.. but it might be best not to engage at all if you can help it.

That said there is likely something useful and karmic about this combo. He may indeed be revealing shadowy depths which you may indeed be righteously angry about. It might be somehow therapeutic or necessary for you to be made aware of these things but processing them with trusted friends might be healthier than ripping him apart. I know how hard it is to feel victimized by others. Sometimes it really seems they need a good talking to but in my experience it rarely makes a big difference if they're really bad at consent or abusive and insensitive and selfish in general Really not sure about your specific situation but it's calling some things to mind.

I don't honestly know how best to proceed except to take that which is useful to you and learn from it? Not knowing details I'm not sure what to say. I haven't the key to this aspect...

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posted November 14, 2015 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm starting to think that the existence of 4th harmonic aspects between people in the world act as essential stabilizing, building block energy on a global/universal Avandia thigh.

Ok i wanted to write scale but Avandia thigh is way better...

Anyway, it seems like each of the harmonics, 1 thru 9--and beyond I suppose!-act as essential building blocks for our society and collective growth and understanding

The 4th is a particularly cumulative aspect, having gone beyond the perfection of a triplicity (tao=one, yin/yang=two the ten thousand things=3)... into the territory of everything becoming stable, visible, and contentious by its very existence on the earthly plane. I think this is an earth number, yes? A yin number. It is not ignorable, it will always be manifest--and the existence of this tension keeps the whole show running.

I know this is a bit out there and maybe I'm not explaining that well and my thoughts are half-baked ( ), but I'm just thinking about the need for all these different kinds of energies and interactions on a kind of psycho-ecological scale, where the dynamics of energies everywhere keep the whole structure of the collective psyche greased and running.

So you might be working with issues which are playing out on a grand scale in the collective psyche. With hard aspects between personal and transpersonal/outer planets, that's usually a given. There's something triggered in your interactions which brings itself to bear powerfully for many people in many contexts--and with a Mars Pluto square it is an issue of power-over, power-under. The way that a very strong force can undermine as well as ignite our life force and drive. The lesson is to learn to channel such forceful energy in a masterful way, but this isn't easy unless there is a LOT of communication and willingness between the two parties.

I'm interested to hear *how* he triggers you, but that's maybe a difficult question--as there are likely strong instinctive issues, the charge of the situation may be somewhat sexual, there could be undercurrents or reminders of abusive behavior and violence.

Maybe my Pluto squares your Mars too! Maybe it would be easier to work it out in a more diffuse atmosphere though. It sounds like your friend has helped you a good deal.

With these sorts of questions it's helpful to have a look at the chart to see potential ways out of the dilemma, wise courses of action, things to focus on, etc. It's all there...

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posted November 14, 2015 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We keep a high awareness of the big picture and where what we're "fighting" about fits in that picture.
Usually, it's not that serious. We also BOTH drop that need to always be "right", to "win", or to get the last word.
More times than not it's me (Pluto) who angers her without intending to. Which means also that I know exactly how to push the buttons and I'm extremely aware of when she's angry but trying not to show it.
So it's taken some hyper awareness on my part to not accidentally keep pushing her buttons.

I think this is **possibly** where they get that "Pluto has the upper hand" from. Not that Pluto is equipped to dominate but rather equipped to draw out mars aggression with little effort.

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posted November 15, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yungang, it is platonic. Thank you for your insight. Also, please don't quote as I intend to edit later.

I feel as though the issues started when I spoke a idea that intercepted his idea. Then, I felt his energy feeling a bit off around me. Like, he was not fully comfortable sitting in my car despite the presence of other people. I understand to some extent that could have been getting on the wrong foot.

Then during our second meeting, I was having a off day emotionally. The area we were sitting in did not inspire openness and was not feeling good to begin. He picked that up somehow barked at me to speak up while I was talking. Now I am not a fan of men forcefully trying to dominant me at all. My motto is be nice or be gone, but because there were other people around, I did not retaliate. I look I gave him was like a million bee stings, but I spoke up and said my piece. My highly empathetic friend told me he felt my anger surge to the ceiling. I got over it that day, but his dominating nature triggered a previous helplessness (my shadow) I felt when being at the mercy of others. That is something I have to work at on my own. I cannot blame him for that, but the realization that it can happen again makes me feel uncomfortable. I suppose also the fact that he is gentle with other women really confuses me at to why he felt the need to be so rough with me.

I don't like fighting, but I will fight if need be. I have Mars sextile Pluto in the natal chart. If I can get over this, I can use this energy to heal. It's the 1992 babies, their Pluto squaring my Mars. I like you guys just fine. Hell, I have a friend with this energy where we have DW Mars square Pluto and she is pretty awesome. There could be something else lingering in our synastry.

I definitely agree with you and see how this is playing out in my life to force myself to work on this issue I have. I had issues with overly dominant women in the past, too, but now I appreciate a dominant woman and can admire her without feeling intimidated by her presence, as long as she is operating at a higher vibration. I have my Saturn return to thank for that.

If you are interested in seeing the dynamics of our platonic acquaintance, here is our synastry chart. Take note that I do not know if time of birth. The truth is we run in the same circles and will see each other quite a bit in the near future. I want to understand this and overcome this in order to not be a slave to knee-jerk angry reactions.

Anyway, the chart. I'm on the inside:

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posted November 15, 2015 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DopGang:
We keep a high awareness of the big picture and where what we're "fighting" about fits in that picture.
Usually, it's not that serious. We also BOTH drop that need to always be "right", to "win", or to get the last word.
More times than not it's me (Pluto) who angers her without intending to. Which means also that I know exactly how to push the buttons and I'm extremely aware of when she's angry but trying not to show it.
So it's taken some hyper awareness on my part to not accidentally keep pushing her buttons.

I think this is **possibly** where they get that "Pluto has the upper hand" from. Not that Pluto is equipped to dominate but rather equipped to draw out mars aggression with little effort.


Awareness is definitely the answer with this energy. I like how you can have a relationship with a person who may share other positive connections with you, but still be aware of not pressing her buttons. I found that Pluto does this so easily, without really thinking about it. The Mars just seethes and seethes, cries, or throws down depending on the sign and house it the Mars is in.

It's just so interesting to see this in action, despite sacrificing my comfort to get firsthand knowledge. At least, we are highly aware people. If he were dangerous, or vice-versa this energy would be a disaster waiting to happen.

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posted November 15, 2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Readytochill:
I have Mars in Leo square Pluto in Scorpio natally so anyone from my generation will be Pluto. I agree with yungang_grotto that a positive outlet is needed. I only get super angry with my love interests so it works out perfectly. When I feel that intense emotion about to come out, I can release it sexually. It can scare them at first, but from my experience, they're pleasantly surprised. I suggest knowing a bit beforehand what they will and will not tolerate.

If you're experiencing this with someone platonic, take a few deep breaths and remove yourself from the environment. Take a breather. Maybe hit the gym. Anything active.

I definitely understand. It can be totally hard to deal with.


I thought we were talking natally (used to hanging out in the Astrology 2.0 section) Oops


I can relate to the natal energy, but not the square. I have the sextile. Your self-control must be so solid to handle that in your life.

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posted November 15, 2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mars person feels the aspect?They have that with some many people.
That intrigues me.

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posted November 15, 2015 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
The mars person feels the aspect?They have that with some many people.
That intrigues me.

I think so.
I don't have a mars square with Leo Pluto people, but every dang one of them just gets on my nerves! Except my mother but we had to do a lot of adjusting as I became an adult. LOL

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posted November 15, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquarian Moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
The mars person feels the aspect?They have that with some many people.
That intrigues me.

Oh yeah. Mars gets angry. 0 to 60 in three seconds angry.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 15, 2015 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure I've experienced the square, but I know I've got the conjunction. He's MARS, I'm PLUTO, and it's 0º.

I'll agree; it's a hotbed of everything. Or, as we've lightly jested to each other, a tea-party picnic on a (mostly) dormant volcano. There's always this underlying current. For the longest time, (we're talking years here) we could not channel it into a sexual outlet to save our lives. And we were actively trying to do so -- so, it was damned frustrating, and disappointing.

We've slowly come to the mutual opinion that we'd probably murder each other without it. Well -- here, we'd just engage in a slow burn that led to utter decimation. Really not a good set of circumstances, so, no matter how difficult it's been, we were absolutely dedicated to making it work.

I often have blamed the PRIAPUS-BML conjunction for this unconsciously searing, smoldering experience. But the MARS-PLUTO could legitimately be the case, too. Especially as each is our lunar dispositor.

Employing distance and then discharging the energy may absolutely be what's necessary.

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posted November 15, 2015 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian moon:

Get it lol

I did not knew much things about this bad side of pluto/mars.Of course i heard some comments about abusive relationships but mostly about sex

Dopgang

lol

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posted November 18, 2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunar Pisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
The mars person feels the aspect?They have that with some many people.
That intrigues me.

Mars will feel it, but really a lot of how this aspect plays out is how the Pluto person handles their own Plutonian energies. Some people do not handle their Pluto well, and that's going to be a problem when they come across someone whose personal planets make a sensitive aspect with. This happens with any outer planet--outer planets project their energies onto other people's personal planets when they come into aspects--but Pluto is significant in that its energy is about power, and more specifically, psychological power.

Sometimes people are not aware of how their Pluto energy impacts others--I have had to deal with this, especially when I was younger. People are easily intimated by me or feel I'm trying to push myself onto them when I'm not. I just have that kind of intense Pluto vibe because Pluto is in my first, and it's taken me a long time to understand how that affects others and to communicate better so people now I'm intense but not someone who needs to dominate others.

But sometimes people like the affect their own negative Pluto expression has on others because it gives them a sense of being in power. They are essentially being bullies and this guy kind of sounds like one. He may not always be like that with everyone but with certain people who are sensitive to his Pluto, he may get off to pushing their buttons. It's pretty immature, really. And as another Pluto-strong person, I really detest people like that, people who use their Pluto to push others around. I respect the OP's restraint. In the same situation I would have not be so...nice about it.

But not everyone will express their Pluto the same way, due to both their own personal placements and their own maturity and life experiences that have shaped their personality. Some people will be very balanced with their Pluto energy and with such people, even "tough" aspects with other people's personal planets aren't much an issue. In aspects with another person's Pluto, Pluto will always have the upper hand, so if that person has good awareness and control over their Plutonian impulses, things will feel very different for the other person. They will feel it, but it won't feel like the Pluto person in trying to screw with them, you know?

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posted November 18, 2015 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. I feel it's evenly matched.

I'm an ex-profiler, he's a former psychological operator.

Thank God we met in these circumstances. I can see why he's kept to himself for so long. He has plenty of respect for women, and is a bit of a feminist himself. But the sort of woman that could entice him out of his preferable solitude would not only need to be capable of matching wits with him -- but, frankly -- be able to win, too.

Hey, spooks are undoubtedly top-notch manipulators -- and, among them, he belonged to the most elite. But I'd been used to tangling with homicidal maniacs and guys who wanted nothing more than to twist me as tightly as they could. I can hold my own, though. If I couldn't, it'd be a problem.

And that's a very binary situation. Either you end up a target, or ....

He's MARS, of course, and I'm PLUTO. 2° conjunct my SUN, at that. I can say, it's definitely felt as this underlying energy. This potent thread running beneath everything.

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