posted November 22, 2015 10:04 PM            

I know there are a few of you here who know a few things about this! Won't you please enlighten me as to the workings of the quinqueundecile/11th harmonic in synastric comparisons? In your personal experience, or in general, how are they felt, what are their effects? I've turned up a bit of dirt on the Internet and I did find an LL thread discussing them in terms of twin flame relationships but I'm wondering just in general how they play.

posted November 23, 2015 01:42 PM            

Don't get me started on how I miss my SF, though. I had the very first edition ever produced when I was a young teenager, and could make that programme do handstands. I was a faithful user of it for over a decade, pouring God knows how much into their pockets, finally letting it go in 2011, when I made the switch to Apple.

PORT TO MAC! FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, ASTROLABE.

I'd be sunk without Astrodienst and Astro Gold on my iPhone. But I MISS MY SOLAR FIRE!

So. THAT being outta the way ...

Glaucus has got some good thoughts on the 163º aspect, culled from both David Cochrane and Zane Stein.

I see it this way.

The quindecile shakes it up. It's like the tension created in the tectonic plates following a quake; it's buzzing and humming with potential energy, and in this tenuous, potentially volatile position. The longer it's 'lodged' like that, the more potential builds, and the bigger the quake will result.

That's a quindecile for me. It's locked in this state of obsessive potential.

The 163º, or 'kinky undies' -- because I'm cheeky like that -- is the aftermath of the quindecile. You may immediately wonder why I'm looking at 163º as following 165º. I'm thinking, personally, the opposition has happened. The tension built, the earth shook, and NOW it's in this lodged position -- which is the quindecile. Somethin's gotta give.

That potential to give lies at the 163º mark -- on our slow and steady way back to 0º. So, I've come to see it less as 'the result of the unrest' of the quindecile, and more of a potential release for the energy that's been building since the opposition hit.

The aftershock.

It's when everything's shifting back into proper place -- or it can. The quindecile's pressure has finally given way to -- RUMBLE -- the quinqueundecile's 'demands' to return to centre. Or, in the case of many things, to shake it up a bit, as an attempt to return to normalcy.

The kinky undies.

The pressure and tension gets released in some bold, rebellious, often unconventional, and even technologically advanced way -- depending. The quindecile has forced us to consider stepping out of our ego-syntonic comfort zone and taking on challenges that have been presented since the opposition. It's as if the quindecile allows us to throw up our hands and shout 'FINE!' Mercy! Uncle! Whatever, just make it friggin' stop!

And we get ourselves the kinky undies. The thing that -- nope, we never thought we'd consider, and yep, we'd said we'd probably never, EVER do. And, yep -- we do 'em. Slip right into those babies and hope for the best. Or just grip the mattress and think of England. Many other factors depend upon many other factors, or course.

posted November 23, 2015 07:54 PM            

Yes you're right i never thought i would and do not think i ought and yet there's this distinct possibility...

posted November 23, 2015 07:57 PM            

Looks like my Mars and Venus are conjunct in the 11th harmonic--that's Aries not Libra--and my Mars is nearer his Mars, at 17°01... yeesh. His Amor is 17 somethin' too.. and my Moon-Nep is conjunct his Juno.

posted November 23, 2015 08:05 PM            

I think v.8 might be somehow inferior to the early versions. I've heard a lot of fondness for the earlier ones. I am enjoying it more and more though, as i learn how to navigate it and create asteroid files and stuff--but--

SOME OF THE ASTEROIDS ARE WRONG!

posted November 23, 2015 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
my take on the 11th harmonic is that they represent a level of adept ship. 10 is a number of completion and 11 is the application of the complete knowledge taken to the next level or plane.
the 5/11 between a mars and venus implies that the emotional interactions will not simply be emotional but a concern for a higher meaning of the relationship will be present.this implies that such connection is concerned with how the emotional interactions can have a higher mastery of the social conditions surrounding them.
but as a 11th harmonic needs a certain spiritual/mental evolution, when this is not present in the individuals the the 11th harmonic reverts to a 2nd harmonic and much stress and obstacles in the relationship can be experienced.
todd

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that makes good sense in this case, todd. I think we're both explicitly committed to keeping things on that spiritual plane and transforming ourselves through the relationship in conscious, subtle ways. Things did degenerate into the tension you speak of with this person many years ago but we've both matured a bit and are coming at it with some wisdom and experience under our belts... both seem pretty interested in applying ourselves creatively to the relationship to see what God can come of interacting. So far it's supportive. But as you said in that other thread, his natal Saturn opposing his Mars/Mercury falls along the nodal axis of the composite and my Asc/Dsc and he isn't to be depended on exactly, though there is something transformative in it for him. I'm not looking for anything solid right now anyway, as transiting Uranus is opposite my natal Venus... I really see his struggle crystal clear though. ... I'm learning maybe about real sympathy/real caring... not so much using people to satisfy my own needs ..

posted November 24, 2015 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
So would a conjunction within 9° in a ninth harmonic chart count as a novile then, etc.? Because yeah there's that Sun-NN conjunction in the 9th harmonic but it's 3 degrees wide. That's legit?

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yes conjunction in the 9th harmonic chart with orb of 9 degree equals a novile/binovile/trine/quadranovile at about 1 degree in the natal chart.

posted November 24, 2015 06:18 AM            

very interesting take on the 11th harmonic!

Out of curiosity I was checking the 11th harmonic aspects in the synastry with Mr Sag and Lancelot, too.
I had noticed that in the synastry with Lancelot the 11th harmonic aspect appeared as second part of the DW`s between Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars)

Anyway I am just listing those close 11th harmonic aspects here with 2 degree orb in the 11th harmonic chart, which means they will have an orb of approximately 10 minutes in the natal charts. Which is pretty tight I think.

With Mr Sag
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his planets first:

IC-Moon
Venus-DESC
Jupiter-Aphrodite
Saturn-Amor
Uranus-Sun
Pluto-IC
SN-Sun
Vertex-Venus
Vertex-Pallas
Juno-Juno
Karma-Juno
Vesta-Anteros
Valentine - Lilith

with Lancelot
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Jupiter-NN
Pluto-DESC
Amor-DESC
SN-Chiron
Ceres-NN
Ceres-MC
Eros-Uranus
Priapus-Mars
Aphrodite-Sun

in this synastry the 11th harmonic aspects between his Moon and my Sun, and his Venus and my Mars are under half a degree, so well within orb. Just thought it was noteable that the same harmonic occurred in these sets of planets, and especially with the role reversal.
(the other aspects are a sextile between his Sun and my Moon, and a square between his Mars and my Venus).