posted November 27, 2015 03:53 AM            

Ta-da!

Was so smooth about it! Not. Anyway we hung out and had the most fantastic all encompassing conversation (LL should use video chat already, it's 2015! ) much hilarity and enjoyment and telling all about our lives and feelings bringing up really good things/memories/stories/associations.. deeply personal widely applicable).. just generally across the board deeply engaged. Good stuff! I mentioned to him about his Mars/Mercury on my descendant and of the incredibly thin membrane between i and you i was feeling, that axis is so fascinating. It isn't linear at all--we bleed into one another.

The composite Moon is conjunct Amor.. I thought so but now seeing it at the end of the twelfth house and with the degrees at 18 and 19 it just feels even more intense.

So his MC is very near my IC and vice versa (o course).. can't remember all I've heard about this one but I think there were positive reviews..

The composite is interesting... AND his Moon is 0 Aries, conjunct my Mars and square my Saturn/Uranus and, 8 degrees wide--so quite?--squaring my Moon!

My Psyche and my Sun/Moon midpoint are on his descendant (1' orb), as well as quite near his Jupiter (2') and Uranus. All of that is trine my Eros @ 13 Aries (which is in my sixth house... lol I'm ananimal!)..

So excellent, his Jupiter/Uranus descendant--he's such a skilled relater, so eloquent and careful and brilliant, got his stuff to work through but so do we all! I love him through all of it, like friends do). anyway I really deeply appreciate him and it is super reciprocal and kind. He really is a champ relater.

We put our Junos in one another's fourth houses. I'm just happy to have such an amazing friend back in my life.

We're both ultra Neptunian and 12th house centric, him even moreso with many personal planets there.. and his Moon square his Neptune (which is conjunct my Saturn-Uranus). The composite also focuses on the 12th. This makes good sense to me. It's been a particularly other worldly and yet encompassing and beautiful journey, the difficulties we went through have only helped us increase empathy with the world and within our own hearts...as we expand outward and experience, you know?

My PlutoMercury just framez the composite MC.

And here's an article about Moon conjunct Mars in natals which describes the course of our relationship over the last 5 years EXTREMELY accurately. Like, to the letter almost. It's strange!

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Moon and Mars contacts involve the psychological relationship between instinctive and emotional patterns with an ability to act decisively by applying a consistent will directed toward achieving aims. The conjunction indicates you have strong emotions and feelings which influence perceptions and decisions. Their intensity may often feel uncomfortable and frightening, especially in situations of heightened passion or confrontation. You are aware that unleashing these energies often results in displays of temper, emotional outbursts, and anger, and that your sometimes belligerent style of disagreeing with others is actually a form of self-defense. Being overly sensitive to others' reactions and having emotional anxiety can create a mental state where you imagine that others criticize or plot against you. Before such situations are proven real, you are ready to retaliate. Until a deeper integration and understanding of these energies occurs, you may find that contentious relationships continue. Those erratic and volatile emotions help to stimulate inner agitation, and this friction spills over into your exchanges with others. While you want to form better relationships, there are often problems with co-operation and trust, at work and in intimate partnerships. You are both attracted to and repulsed by emotional intimacy, often unable to deal with powerful feelings due to emotional immaturity; and others may sense these raging feelings and withdraw from closer contact. Rejection strikes into your deepest core. Reacting against the pain, you often strike out verbally with unkind words designed to damage and wound, or throw childish temper tantrums when needs are denied. You are liable to brood on any rejection, often continuing to criticize someone to friends for a long time afterward. Perceptions of losing erode a fragile self-esteem. One of your major problems may be self-preoccupation; concerned with your private emotional world, you fail to recognize that others have needs too, and that they are also emotionally sensitive. Your world is egocentric and revolves around your desires, expecting others to serve your needs, and rejecting attempts at compromise. Being unaware of these tendencies is no excuse; failing to acknowledge that others have an equal sensitivity is a denial of reality. If you react against criticism, then so do others from you. You need to realize that others' needs are as important as yours. Compromise between all concerned is necessary to minimize conflicts. Emotional reactions distort your perceptions and evaluations, influencing choices, decisions, and actions; and sometimes these may contradict rationality. This apparently negative portrayal of Moon-Mars conjunctions can, however, be transformed into a more positive approach. Much depends on an honest appraisal of your relationships, and of how you deal with inner difficulties, especially identifying how you project emotional frustrations onto others close to you, making these relationships fail to satisfy and later collapse. These intense feelings can be directed toward positive aims designed to shape constructive action. If you consciously attempt - even for a short time - to project yourself into the position of others and to imagine how life is from their perspective by seeing through their eyes and feeling through their heart, then your egocentric world may be transformed, and your latent sympathy and understanding awakened. Moon and Mars can work successfully together, once inner adjustments are made; and feelings of personal anguish and frustration are reduced by developing awareness of others' needs. Then you may discover a new meaning and purpose to life. There can be a crusading spirit about this energy supported by powerful, assertive Martian qualities, which can increase persistence and opportunities for eventual success. This could initiate a real transformation.

Source : Planet in aspects, Robert Pelletier"

^^this was just spot on for us. When you get so specific it's unlikely you'll be accurate 100% of the time... but when you are hooo boy! Amazing. I dunno. It wo r ked for me!

posted November 27, 2015 04:06 AM            

Our Suns are in one another's sixth. There is a strong feeling of willingness to work here... it has been difficult but the continuous willingness to work towards understanding one another and it is quite joyful. I think the mutual house relationship of Suns and Pallas sort of describe this for me. We are really learning from one another. I think there's a resonance between the 6th and 9th, 3rd and 12th.. anyhow.

His Moon in my 5th, my Moon-Nep in his 8th!

posted November 27, 2015 09:24 AM            

And it's so cute that you go on and on!

My friend is dating a man with with moon in early Aries tightly conjunct his ex-wife's Mars, they were together over 40 years.

I had moon-Mars in synastry and it collapsed relatively fast under the weight of its own pressure (and this was in Gemini, which doesn't love pressure.) But I like this in your reading!

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Moon and Mars can work successfully together, once inner adjustments are made; and feelings of personal anguish and frustration are reduced by developing awareness of others' needs. Then you may discover a new meaning and purpose to life. There can be a crusading spirit about this energy supported by powerful, assertive Martian qualities, which can increase persistence and opportunities for eventual success. This could initiate a real transformation.

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posted November 27, 2015 11:38 AM            

"Your love is selfish love!"

He found it hard to forgive me saying such a thing... he's very sensitive and proceeded to try to teach me how to be careful in some kind of condescending ways which were well intended... I get it... the Saturn ascendant thing.. anyway, though I made as many verbal and textual amends as possible, over the years we never regained the same level of friendship and intimacy until recently (and where we're at now is deeper than it was by far and more mature), but we have both very much mulled over that whole concept of selfishness in relationship and I'm still learning how to honour the other really well...

A huge component, woven throughout our whole conversation last night, was just how important doing for others is, small kindness, compassion... how important connection is... There's a pretty deep seated and hard won acknowledgment of one another's individual reality and right to exist in our own rights and have needs... and interact with the world in that loving way.

posted November 27, 2015 12:11 PM            

His Vertex is at 4 Scorpio, 2 degrees off my Ascendant... and so that means too that what we have here is a double whammy Vertex-Karma conjuction. The Vertex Ascendant should maybe take precedence in my mind but the D/W is a thang eh

Edit-oh I guess Ascendant-Vertex double whammies are also a (normal?) Thing. My vertex is 8 degrees wide of his Asc. Seems that's how it goes, because math?

posted November 27, 2015 12:34 PM            

With transiting Uranus opposition my Venus right now and getting ready to hit my DSC in a couple years this is just my speed.

posted November 27, 2015 07:25 PM            

Yes, been thinking of that a lot lately.

So this relationship does not have romance potential? Sorry to put you on the spot but if you said that, between the lines, I missed it.

"Edit-oh I guess Ascendant-Vertex double whammies are also a (normal?) Thing. My vertex is 8 degrees wide of his Asc. Seems that's how it goes, because math?"

No I don't think so. I am almost positive I have a Vertex-ASC double whammy with my father, but he's the only one.

posted November 27, 2015 07:45 PM            

So I'm really unsure about whether i should think in romantic terms here... but as you can see above there are certain factors, astrologically speaking, which lend themselves to a pretty hearty crush. We had such a fantastic time the last two nights... I like and admire him, it's mutual, supportive n loving. But inconsistent--not to be relied too heavily upon--and fragile maybe... too early to tell... and he does that thing where he's in love with multiple people and stuff. So i don't know how deep in to get. Except that on a spirit level I feel pretty connected.. nourished and excited. That's always how it is in the glow or uniting/reuniting, excited friendship. I have lots of friends who I just adore talking to and being with. Just so happens he is a big ol cutie pants.

I think it's a good opportunity to keep things friendly for a long period of time. Something I've been promising myself I would do, and which I know is more his speed too... last time I didn't know how to bide my time (I was like 17, 18 at the time)..

We spoke openly last night of unhealthy relationship patterns and all the ridiculousness and I don't want to see either of us getting in over our heads here... he is exceedingly careful in general (but also extremely romantic and so darn cute/deep/passionate, all the things). I'm going to be guarded as possible. I'm clearly obsessing a bit at the moment, just part of the learning. Trying to observe myself within it more and more. the composite is 12th house heavy (aaagain), so there's to be lots of honesty ideally, right? Sigh..

lol it's complicated..

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In regards to vertex asc d/ws i just thought maybe if there's a conjunction to one ascendant there will be to another as i found a thread on here where everyone with a vertex/asc synastric conjunction seemed to have wide double whammies.

posted November 28, 2015 12:37 AM            

Just noticed the composite asc. is conjunct my Valentine-Alma-Achilles... sigh. Sense, makes it.

posted November 28, 2015 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
... I guess Ascendant-Vertex double whammies are also a (normal?) Thing. My vertex is 8 degrees wide of his Asc. Seems that's how it goes, because math?"

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posted November 28, 2015 07:24 PM            

Does the prime vertical move?

@yungang,

Thanks for telling us more about this relationship ~ really sounds fascinating in all its complexity, especially since you have such a keen eye for all the details, and can take us on a tour of the dynamic.

Who needs movies and novels when there is LL?