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Faith
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posted December 11, 2015 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's just say you were asked to design a model of a trusting relationship, using astrology.

How would you build that, what kind of aspects would you include?

Imagine you were asked to select five astrological criteria that, if met, would probably generate a trusting relationship.

Which five criteria would you pick? And why?

If your answer is, "I wouldn't do that, it's beneath the dignity of astrologers," my answer is, "Imagine you are a serf astrologer answering to a king who will imprison you if you don't answer."

There now. What would you pick?

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posted December 11, 2015 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, I've noticed that trust can be built on reliable experiences with another. This could correspond to Saturn interaspects.

Earth as an element can be relied upon in the material world. So strong Earth influence in the partner.

Slower moving planets generally have longer lasting effects. Therefore, more reliable over time. Generational characteristics generally can be trusted.

Interlocking geometrical aspect pattern completions can be cohesive, and trustworthy.

Synastry aspects which generate familiar feelings (like easy aspects between Sun and Moon) can generate trust.

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posted December 11, 2015 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you comdoc

I agree with you on all these...I had something else in mind but these are good.

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posted December 11, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, from a spontaneous heart;

NUMERO UNO;
- GREAT progressed synastry aspects!

2;
- an interesting (geometric) pattern between both Suns and Moons (like an opposing phase / midpoint-to-midpoint alignment etc.)

3;
- At least ONE tighttt conj/opp in Composite! (no asteroids or outer-to-outers)

4;
- at least one Moon Vasya (the magnetic variant) to the other's ~ and NO vedha/rajju dosha!

5;
- Saturn/Mars aspect (doesn't matter in which dimension [geo/dec/helio] or WHICH aspect .. as long as it's there)


Great thread faith! Curious what others would make of it..

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posted December 11, 2015 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, mir!

Hmm I never thought of Mars-Saturn as a big deal before...but I have Mars sextile Saturn with a few of my good friends

Okay I think my five would be:

1) Angular conjunctions: angle-to-angle, angle-to-planet

2) At least one tight aspect between the luminaries

3) Strong composite (stellium or geometric; sun-Venus conjunction; not scattered or too difficult)

4) Draconic-to-tropical conjunctions

5) Scorpio/Pluto/8H positive aspects

ETA: It's not to say trust cannot exist without these criteria 'Just shopping around for dependable criteria.

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posted December 12, 2015 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no astrologer, but I can tell you the aspects I had with people I trusted the most. Trusted intuitively, that is. Not counting the examples in which real life experience made me come to trust those people.

1. Moon - moon conjunction: Muy sympatico. A feeling of coming home.
2. Sun - moon trines : instant comfort. You kid around like old buddies even though you've only just met.
3. Moon - Pluto: A more intimate kind of 'trust'. It comes riddled with its own complications, but there's never a doubt that these two 'know' each other emotionally. In the negative manifestation, this 'knowing' is used to manipulate and thus undermines trust. But hey, that's for later. The point here is, we trust our Moon-Pluto synastry partners with our deepest, most fragile emotional selves.
4. Moon/Venus in the 8th: There's a fierce loyalty about this one. The house person is very quick to rush to the defense of the planet person against any threat, real-or-imagined. Caveat: the house person may not trust the planet person as much as the planet person trusts them, IMO. But that's just because they're afraid of losing them, then the paranoia kicks in.

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posted December 12, 2015 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like everyone else I want to say strong harmonious Saturn aspects, or Saturn conjunctions.

Also, since the Moon rules our inner sense of safety and security I think Moon/Moon soft aspects and conjunctions would encourage trust. Even just both people having their Moons well supported in synastry would do this. For instance, Moon trine Mars would make the Moon feel safe because of the other person's fiery nature. Moon trine Saturn would make the Moon feel safe because of the other person's responsible attitude.

Strong Pluto in synastry when it's expressed in a healthy way can also encourage trust. Pluto in synastry can make people feel fanatically loyal, like what they have with the partner is sacred, private and worth fighting for. However unhealthy Pluto synastry can do just the opposite and make people paranoid, possessive, and suspicious. There's fine line here. You have to be very honest and mature to make it work well.

Strong well aspected Sun and Jupiter also make for trust. Jupiter is about integrity and a sort of no-holds-barred straightforwardness. Positive Jupiter synastry makes you trust that the other person is transparent with you (even to the point of bluntness) and that they will do the honorable thing by you. A strong well aspected Sun in syanstry encouages trust because it allows the Sun person to express their essential sense of self around the partner, without fear of rejection. The Sun person feels free to 'glow'.

Positive yin/yang aspects also encourage trust. Mars and the Sun in aspect to Venus or the Moon. The person with the feminine planet is able to trust the strength and leadership of the masculine planet person, and the person with the masculine planet is able to trust the feminine planet person's loyalty and support of them. This is usually best in romantic relationships if the guy has the masculine planet, but it can occasionally work well when the female has the masculine planet (especially if there is a yin/yang aspect double whammy).

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posted December 12, 2015 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will play but will mention them as I think of them and feel confident in my analysis. For now:

1. Moon parallel or contraparallel Moon
I have the CP with my dad, the P with my ex boyfriend and the CP with my ex lover. Interestingly I don't have it with my husband but we have Moon CP Pluto.

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posted December 12, 2015 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ETA: It's not to say trust cannot exist without these criteria 'Just shopping around for dependable criteria.

LOol


Yea.. Moon parallel Moon


For some strange reason I never got any harmonious - trine/sextile - saturn aspects in my romantic synastry. While I know it's pretty common.
One exception currently; Saturn sextile Mars but that's really all there is (no red line either). I seem to be almost totally done with (harsh) Saturn in the longitudes. Reality doesn't speak against that.

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posted December 12, 2015 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. luminaries in aspect to each other and/ or to Jupiter or Saturn

2. Jupiter is big in inspiring trust, and Saturn, too, in a different way

3. natal resonance pattern

4. Soft aspects and conjunction of personal planet to Chiron
(I guess this one is not often mentioned, but I do feel a lot of trust with the aspects of Sun-Chiron, Moon-Chiron and also Jupiter-Chiron)

5. Ceres in aspect to personal planets or Jupiter

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posted December 12, 2015 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
In the negative manifestation, this 'knowing' is used to manipulate and thus undermines trust. But hey, that's for later.

Great answers Elysia, thank you!

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posted December 12, 2015 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lotis, that was entirely brilliant.

I wanted to comment, but it's all so good, I can't pick and choose. Thank you!

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posted December 12, 2015 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hypatia238:
1. Moon parallel or contraparallel Moon
I have the CP with my dad, the P with my ex boyfriend and the CP with my ex lover. Interestingly I don't have it with my husband but we have Moon CP Pluto.

That's lovely.

My moon is around 0 declination...is yours?

I don't know if I've ever been with someone who has planets there. My father's Uranus was there, I think...but that's all.

Need to meet more people.

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posted December 12, 2015 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
For some strange reason I never got any harmonious - trine/sextile - saturn aspects in my romantic synastry. While I know it's pretty common.

Ooo the best is yet to come...once you try Saturn you never want to be without it.

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posted December 12, 2015 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on the Saturn though.

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posted December 12, 2015 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
2. Jupiter is big in inspiring trust, and Saturn, too, in a different way

Is it that Jupiter makes things exciting and happy?

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
4. Soft aspects and conjunction of personal planet to Chiron
(I guess this one is not often mentioned, but I do feel a lot of trust with the aspects of Sun-Chiron, Moon-Chiron and also Jupiter-Chiron)

Okay. But I kinda want to forget Chiron exists...I mean...heal already! Move on...turn the page...

quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
5. Ceres in aspect to personal planets or Jupiter

I love this one. Yes. I agree.

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posted December 12, 2015 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Depends on the Saturn though.

I agree...and I was just kidding. Saturn has such a bad rap, it's odd that we see its value in synastry.

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posted December 12, 2015 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Is it that Jupiter makes things exciting and happy?"
Yes, that is part of it. Though exciting, not as Uranus does, but just giving that feeling as if anythings possible.
Expansive. Supportive.

Though having said that you don´t want someone to support your bad behaviour or expand on the weaknesses you have. Jupiter can do that, too.

"But I kinda want to forget Chiron exists...I mean...heal already! Move on...turn the page..."
Haha.
To say it with Anne Ortelees words

" Mars inconjunct Chiron. This wound is going to hurt for a while. Hunker down and take care of it as well as you possibly can."

(from her fb page).


I happen to like Chiron, and that despite him being part of a Thor`s Hammer in my chart. lol

Oh let`s wait what I am going to say about it, once Tr Uranus will - ONCE AGAIN- transit my natal Chiron and squaring my Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp

1st.
Tr Uranus conjunct Chiron: 22nd june 2015

2nd
Tr Uranus conjunct Chiron: 30th august 2015

3rd
Tr Uranus conjunct Chiron: 2nd april 2016

(follwed 3 weeks later by the square to my "axis of destiny" )

I love Ceres synastry. At least in her positive manifestations.

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posted December 12, 2015 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Though having said that you don´t want someone to support your bad behaviour or expand on the weaknesses you have. Jupiter can do that, too.

Me? What bad behavior?

I don't know how Uranus is going to tinker with my 23 Aries Chiron...should be interesting at least.

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posted December 12, 2015 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, for me the exact hits were not bad. I just realized that each of them hit just one week after (and hence was in the applying phase during) when Mr Sag told me to simply forget that I am shy and come to this fanmeeting nevertheless and the second one was just at when the meeting actually took place.
Nothing else to synchronistically have coincidede with BOTH dates so exactly, so I guess that must have been it.

But it were pretty good days, the exhausting stuff happened later, possibly when Tr Uranus had returned tosquare my Saturn once more.

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posted December 12, 2015 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A part of an article on Tr Saturn leaving the 12th house has gotten stuck in my mind as well:

"Saturn’s transit through the last house in your chart can trigger a long goodbye...

you get an influence that compels you to leave behind what you’ve outgrown, or what’s outgrown you. ---

Even if you think you’ve met the love of your life, and they act as a catalyst for the demolition of your existing relationship, know that it’s very difficult to build something new when the old structures are still dissolving. Often, when Saturn passes over your Ascendant, the catalyst relationship ends along with the old relationship. You’re a different person once Saturn crosses your Ascendant, and you’ll feel more settled as it becomes obvious what the new rules are. You’ll know by this point who’s going to stay in your life, and who isn’t.
Saturn over your Ascendant will bring new responsibilities. Maybe you’re on your own for the first time in many years. The great thing about this point in your life is that you have a firm base to move forward from. Unlike the confusion of the 12th House years, there’s an absolute starting line. You may not be sure what lies ahead, because 1st house transits are absolute beginnings. You may not want to contemplate a new relationship, or you may be ready to get out there and start dating. Whatever state you’re in, know that 12th House Saturn’s long goodbye has cleaned out the old baggage, and you’re ready to start fresh." http://sasstrology.com/2015/06/the-long-goodbye-12th-house-saturn-transits.html

For me that crawling over the threshold, the entering into my 1st house happened on 26th november.

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posted December 12, 2015 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
LOol

For some strange reason I never got any harmonious - trine/sextile - saturn aspects in my romantic synastry.


Oh yeah, me neither..

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posted December 12, 2015 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ceri

Really? Tr Uranus on Chiron sounds good then! Getting my hopes up. Not that...I even have anything specific to hope for. LOL

Oh maybe because of this...

quote:
it’s very difficult to build something new when the old structures are still dissolving.

We natal 12H Saturn people understand this all too well....

Back on topic:

I love what you were saying in email about the novile/9th harmonic.

Perhaps I should have including matching degrees, and matching last-digit numbers in the degrees, as one of my top five.

What do you think? Is it worthy?

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posted December 12, 2015 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith,


"r Uranus on Chiron sounds good then!"
It seems to have been to me.

Of course now that I think of it, coicidentally, that means Tr Uranus had been aligned with the composite nodal axis, making an exact conjunction to the SN and opposing the Amor-Cupido(Mars) conjunction on the NN, which also falls onto his natal Pluto. Not exactly there yet for him though.

The first exact hit of Tr Uranus opposing his natal Pluto will be in april 2016.

26th april: Tr Uranus opposing his n Pluto
28th april: Tr Uranus square my n Vertex

Isn`t that funny?
Well of course that is because his Pluto is very very closely squaring my Vertex-axis in synastry.
(and my EROS and Sun/Moon-mp).


"I love what you were saying in email about the novile/9th harmonic."
Thanks. Did you watch the video?
It inspired me to take a look at our 17th harmonic and yes, including the compatibility, and it`s a shocker. lol


"What do you think? Is it worthy?"
I think so. Resonance is always worthy.

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posted December 12, 2015 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
That's lovely.

My moon is around 0 declination...is yours?

I don't know if I've ever been with someone who has planets there. My father's Uranus was there, I think...but that's all.

Need to meet more people.


My SUN is at 0d44 N and my MC is at 0d34 S so your moon parallels or contraparallels my Sun and IC/MC.

My Moon is at @7d53 S declination.

Interestingly in longitudinal my Sun falls in the 9th and conjuncts tightly my MC but it also parallels my IC so interesting combo there.

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