posted December 17, 2015 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Very interesting. Both your Suns are in each other's 6th house + composite Sun is also in the 6th house.

How do these placements manifest themselves? This would be useful coming from someone who's married for 22 years. Thanks

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From one Capricorn to another. Thank you for taking a look. The Sixth House appears to be the House of Service has a negative connotation when it comes to relationships. Indeed, ours is a marriage of responsibility and service to each other. We work well as a team in complementary roles in a cooperative venture. In stereotypical fashion, we organize, divide responsibilities, define goals and keep up on the details to ensure things are in order.

There is a popular belief that Sixth House denotes "imbalance" in a relationship and may end up with frustration. It is intuitive that if one partner fails to cooperate, the marriage would quickly spiral into exhaustion and decay.

Having said that, we are a traditionally conservative couple, even for our age group and we are used to assuming traditional gender responsibilities. I know that this would not bode well for many modern women, but it is the life that we happily lead. I'm the breadwinner. She's the nurturer of our children and she keeps the home. She handles all the "small money," such as all the bills, etc. I handle all the "big" money, such as the investments, mortgages, etc.

It is not that I dictate her career choice. She has advanced degrees and also was a corporate VP before she focused on motherhood. She's a terrific mother and she is success driven. I'm a banker.

The key to marriage is not to get yourself wrapped up in the romance forever. Before the ring is produced and the proposal is made, it is extremely important for the woman to lay down what she wants in life. This includes whether or not she intends to keep her career as a top priority and whether or not she wants children. If the man doesn't agree, then the woman would best walk away proactively. Otherwise, the union would be disastrous.

Alternately, the popular view with young men in these challenging times is that they expect their wives to pull equal weight in the money making. I personally know husbands who openly criticize their wives for not making as much money as they make. Then, I enquired whether the husbands play the same role as their wives do at home, doing the same amount of chores. There you go. Chauvinism can be a two-way street.

posted December 17, 2015 10:58 AM            

And I agree completely.

I do think that we -as astrologers (and dreamers )- often get all tangled up in the romance factor.

Don`t get me wrong, it is an important ingredient, but no romance in the world can make a happy successful relationship, if two people fail to communicate (3rd house/Mercury), cooperate and organize daily life (6thhouse / Mercury), appreciate each others values (2nd house / Venus) and have a shared outlook on their lifepath in very pragmatic terms (10th house / Saturn).

posted December 17, 2015 05:40 PM            

Thank you very much for your meaningful remarks. I stand ready to discuss my other aspects at further length.

I would also be much obliged if you could kindly share your Capricorn placements (since you know mine).

posted December 17, 2015 08:17 PM            

Oh, sure. My Venus too is in Aquarius But you have a cool strong Capricorn Mars, mine is in poor Pisces. My Moon is also in air sign - Aquarius. Overall it looks like you're a proper Capricorn (3 personal planets), which is great! Capricorns are so realistic and ambitious, and they seem to know what they're doing, always. This is coming from a messed-up Capricorn. I do feel like one, don't get me wrong (I doubt there's anyone out there who does not feel their Sun sign even a little) but what I feel is mostly Capricorn energy, not its qualities which is a shame. Also, 3 of my personal planets are afflicted by Saturn so no wander the force is not strong with my inner Capricorn.

Anyways, if you want to see my chart, it's here in this thread (me on the inside): http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003487.html

Your wife's Sun and Mars are in Leo, just like my soon to be ex-husband Yours looks like a generous woman (natal Venus Jupiter conjunction), mine too (at least with me) thanks to his Jupiter conjuncting my Venus. Wait..in fact your wife's Venus Jupiter conjunction squares your Moon. What do you think it means? I just don't want to guess wrong.

Oh I have another question, but it's about your natal chart. I noticed you have Pluto in your 7th house. Do you see yourself as dominant in relationships? Or somebody who tries to change their other half? You probably know what I'm hinting at. Pluto being the bully in 7th house..Is that true? I also read that it might not necessarily describe the chart person, it can point to partners he/she attracts. Basically, either you or your partner is Pluto. Of course your Pluto is retrograde and there's also Uranus in the 7th so that might not be the same as someone who has just Pluto direct in their 7th but still.

P.S. Love your Moons in the same sign. What a bliss living together!

posted December 17, 2015 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
YoursTrulyAlways,

Thank you for sharing. I find real life examples like this A LOT more useful than some standard textbook interpretations. It's wonderful to see how the dynamics of your marriage are so well shown by your synastric house overlays. I mean your Sun placements, Astrology seems to really work based on your description. It's always good to see some kind of confirmation like this - that it works. And it all sounds so positive and solid for your marriage because it's mutual, both Suns in other's 6th house. Had it been one-sided, it could have all been to one partner's advantage. But it's not nice

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posted December 17, 2015 08:20 PM            

Lotis White has this theory on secondary houses. With a Virgo DSC, the 6th house becomes the secondary 7th. She says, “The house symbolically linked to the DSC sign is the ‘SECONDARY DSC’ and it can function as an extension of the 7th house….. In terms of what you attract, what type of partnership experiences you have, and what you look for in a partner…. It’s like the secondary Dsc is an ECHO of the primary or original natal 7th house…. The first time an echo bounces it is the clearest and the loudest…. And this echo is shown by the house symbolically linked to the sign on 7th house cusp.”

Since your wife has Virgo in an angular house, specifically the IC, 6th house overlays are important. It could give her a sense of security. Plus, she has all those Virgo planets, AND her secondary 1st house is her 4th suggesting Virgo/6th house energy is a big part of who she is… the foundation of her personality. That’s my novice understanding anyways, so take it as such.

I personally find Lotis’ theory relevant. My moon overlays my husband 6th in the sign of his DSC; he’s a 3rd house Virgo sun, cap DSC. He also has a mercury/venus/Jupiter/pluto stellium, but in Libra, in his 4Th house. Similar kind of energies going on. We’ve been married 14 years, but not without some separations and minor indiscretions on his part. I too have a Virgo IC. He puts Uranus in my 6th. Maybe that explains all the times he has had to move out of the home! Lol. My approach to the relationship is a lot like what has been described, and I’m good with it. He on the other hand is subtly disruptive (Uranus). This actually explains a lot!! So therapeutic these forums can be!

Thank you for posting. Analyzing charts like these helps me to understand and distinguish the dynamics between the planets, houses, and signs and how they manifest… like what a gem sun/leo moon is like vs a leo sun/gem moon. That kind of thing.

posted December 18, 2015 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Your wife's Sun and Mars are in Leo, just like my soon to be ex-husband.

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I'm truly sincerely sorry the marriage didn't work out.

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Yours looks like a generous woman (natal Venus Jupiter conjunction), mine too (at least with me) thanks to his Jupiter conjuncting my Venus. Wait..in fact your wife's Venus Jupiter conjunction squares your Moon. What do you think it means? I just don't want to guess wrong.

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I see the Venus/Jupiter conjunction, and I also see that it squares my Moon. However, I've never been given that as an aspect because I think the orb is too wide. It looks graphically square but I think it's too far from 90 degrees.

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Yours looks like a generous woman (natal Venus Jupiter conjunction), mine too (at least with me)

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Yes, Venus Conjunct Jupiter. Physically attractive (she was a model), extremely popular, warm and friendly when she wants to be (cold and angry when provoked), dislikes conflict, talent for art (artist and fashion designer as a career), likes music and poetry, attracts nice things and nice people, big spender of social capital, lives in luxury, huge spender of money, etc.

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Oh I have another question, but it's about your natal chart. I noticed you have Pluto in your 7th house. Do you see yourself as dominant in relationships? Or somebody who tries to change their other half? You probably know what I'm hinting at. Pluto being the bully in 7th house..Is that true? I also read that it might not necessarily describe the chart person, it can point to partners he/she attracts. Basically, either you or your partner is Pluto.

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Just to be perfectly clear. The Mrs. wears the pants in the house. She's dominant. Therefore, there is zero possibility of "bullying."

This Pluto refers to my career. Partnerships refers to work. I'm a warrior at work, and I need to be given the dog-eat-dog world of banking. Only one in ten survive the first ten years, and even fewer move up the ladder. It's about being the boss at work and being powerful in a team.

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Of course your Pluto is retrograde and there's also Uranus in the 7th so that might not be the same as someone who has just Pluto direct in their 7th but still.

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That stuff is generational. Everyone my age has it, including my wife. No idea what retrograde Pluto does. Neither do I understand Uranus and the supposed sudden divorce stereotype implications. I personally think sudden divorce is nonsense. Otherwise, everyone my age is divorced. Wait... LOL

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:

P.S. Love your Moons in the same sign. What a bliss living together!

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Not so much of a bliss when its 1 am and I need to wake up at 5 am and we keep talking and pondering about nonsense.

posted December 18, 2015 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Since your wife has Virgo in an angular house, specifically the IC, 6th house overlays are important. It could give her a sense of security. Plus, she has all those Virgo planets, AND her secondary 1st house is her 4th suggesting Virgo/6th house energy is a big part of who she is… the foundation of her personality. That’s my novice understanding anyways, so take it as such.

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posted December 19, 2015 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
you should not underestimate the strong physical/emotional/intuition/psychic connections you have as shown Venus conjunct the node.
there are several stressful aspects but love has kept you together.
todd

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Could you kindly elaborate? I'm a bit lost. Please explain the stressful aspects. What are they?

posted December 21, 2015 09:23 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Are you referring to her Venus on my DC? And my Sun on her DC? Is that indicative of marriage? I don't see any North Node conjunctions.

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Todd is talking about the Composite, yo

posted December 21, 2015 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Todd is talking about the Composite, yo

venus on South Node

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Oh! Thank you!!

posted December 21, 2015 03:50 PM            

I loved that way you described how the sixth house in the composite works for you.

There are stereotypes floating around in astrology that certain houses activated in the composite are 'not good'. The 6th and the 12th houses have the worst reputation here. However, I'm a believer that all houses can be either good or bad depending on how they are utilized in the relationship. Automatically jumping to the conclusion that 6th or 12th house placements in the composite are not good is a mistake in my view. Depending on the couple, and how they're oriented, the houses that work well for them might not be those traditionally more glamorous ones. Although, you and your wife do have placements in the 5th, 7th, 2nd, and 11th houses, which are more traditionally pleasant houses and I'm sure they all work well for you in a way.

I'm not surprised this is a long lasting stable relationship because in the composite there is a strong Saturn/Venus trine. This adds a strong dose of realism and dedication to the marriage. Venus is also conjunct Neptune and this tells me that the two of you also have compassion and acceptance for each other. Mars is trine to Jupiter in the composite and this tells me that the two of you can be quite opinionated together, and will stand up for what you believe as a couple.

posted December 22, 2015 06:33 PM            

Honesty is the best if not the only way into any good maybe great relationship.

This thread was a teaching thread. Someone
likely began to post but instead left their computer to tend to their relationship when somber truth slapped them gently in the face.

HAPPY 2016 to all