posted January 26, 2008 11:25 PM            

Prince Charles and Camilla. They were a couple even though it didn't look like it to the world, even though they couldn't live together the way the wanted until recently when they were allowed to marry after some of the most horrendous and torturous drama a couple could live through. They're love endured all of these years.

posted January 27, 2008 05:26 AM              

However, I also see the good parts in their synastries.
For me it is not always about being exactly the SAME, but sometimes people need someone who is different from them, yet has enough similiarity to find a common ground.

The attraction pattern is pictured in the connections surrounding the 7th house, most probably.

Angelina has Capricorn on the cusp of the 7th house with Saturn in Cancer in 12th house exactly square Jupiter.
To me this shows that she would be attracted to someone with Capricorn (Saturn), Cancer (Moon), Pisces (Neptun e) and Sagittarius (Jupiter)-energies.
Now Brad has a stellium of Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars in Capricorn; probably the most important being here his Mars in Capricorn,s ince his Mars shows how he sees himself as a "man".

The ruler of his 1st house falls into the 4th house, which is the Cancer house; it is very necessary to him to build a home.

I don`t see strong Neptunian, Pisces or 12th house connections, so he may lack this energy a bit.

But he definitely has enough Jupiter-energy with Sun and ASC being in Sagittarius.

So I`d say he fits Angelina`s attraction pattern quite well.

His own attraction pattern:

DSC in Gemini with Mercury in Cappy in 2nd house conjunct Mars, Venus and Moon.

He needs Mercury (DSC in Gemini), Saturn, Venus, Mars and Moon-influence in his partner.

Angelina has a Gemini-sun, which also conjuncts his DSC (major attraction-factor!); Saturn squares her Moon, so she probably has some Saturnian influence, too.
Venus conjunct her ASC gives her Venusian energies.
Cancer - ASC gives her that lunar vibe, and she definitely has some Mars-energy with Moon and Mars conjunct in Aries.

Well, I`d think she fits his attraction pattern even better than he does fit hers.

I also would risk a glance at the aspects between the rulers of 1st, 7th, 5th and 8th houses for relationships.

Ruler of her 7th house (Saturn) opposes his 7th house ruler (Mercury) almost exactly.
Ruler of her 5th house (Pluto) opposes his 1st house ruler (Jupiter), widely squares his 5th house ruler (Mars).
Her 1st house ruler (Moon) conjuncts his 1st house ruler (Jupiter), squares his 5th house ruler (Mars), squares his 7th house ruler (Mercury) and trines his ASC.

This indicates for me a very stormy relationship, but one, in which two people are very much attracted to each other.

Also, in their case I think they might even welcome the "storms" now and then; after all Angelina has a stellium in Aries, and the ruler of Brad`s ASC is in Aries and his Mars is in 1st house.
Especially she would be probably bored to death with a calm, uneventful relationship.
Maybe it is sometimes too much of a storm for him, after all he has a STellium in Capricorn in 2nd house; he seems to be more in need of security and stability; but I guess he can provide this in that case, whereas she can provide the storms.

Seriously, I think maybe the only people who can handle an exact Mars-Mars-square are two Arians. lol

EDIT:

What I tried to track down up there is the astrological reason for their attraction.
It doesn`t really say anything about if they will make it in the long run.

For this one probably would have to compare Moon-connections, 4th houses, Suns and ASC and of course Saturn.
And then I would also look at Transits and Progrssions.
What will happen to them, when Transiting Mars is on 10° Cancer, triggering their exact synastric Mars-Mars-square?

posted January 27, 2008 06:33 AM              

Charles` attraction pattern:

DSC in Aquarius with Uranus in Gemini in 11th house opposite Jupiter.
Venus in Libra in 4 conjunct Neptune and IC.
(Venus also gives information about what you are attracted to, especially if you`re a man).

Let`s see what Camilla has:
She has Mars in 11th house - which would fit his DSC in Aquarius and Uranus in 11th house - question is only: is she able to express her Mars?
Mars is the old ruler of her 5th house, so I guess she actually is expressing her Mars (I think you will certainly express the rulers of 1st, 4th and 5th house, since those houses are so highly personal). Mars is part of her (sexual) lifestyle, and being in the 11th hosue, her sexual or creative expression is surely "unique", and that is exactly what Charles is seeking. Someone extraordinary, who is not like anyone else, and whom he can exchange ideas with - probably intellectual stimulation is for him a sexual stimulation,t oo.
Ruler of his 8th house is Uranus in 11th house, too; the other house that tells you something about sexual connections (among other things of course).

Camilla also reflects his Venus-connections perfectly.

His Venus in Libra conjunct Neptune / IC in 4th house - her Moon conjunct Venus in Cancer in 12th house. Her Sun, ASC-ruler, falls also into the 12th house.
What a romantic pairing! lol

Her Attraction pattern:
DSC in Aquarius, ruler in Gemini in 11th house.
Mars (her ideal man) is also in Gemini in 11th house.
So, for her it would need to be a Mercury-Uranus-man, someone with a rather unique intellectual capacity.

Charles has Sun and Mars in 5th house (opposite from the 11th). Ruler of intercepted 5th house opposite URanus.
I`d think that those oppositions would be a cause of great attraction, even though he is not EXACTLY what she needs or is seeking.

But only judging from the natal comparision there is some very unique (sexual) spark between them. Question is how do they deal with actually being TOGETHER? (Uranus likes a bit of distance, isn`t that right?).
Of course they also have this Venusian-lunar-neptunian connection between them, indicating a yearning to be with each other. So maybe it goes all well for them. Now at last.

On the synastric aspects between the rulers of the relationship houses.

HIs ruler of 5th house (Pluto) conjuncts the ruler of her 5th house (Pluto) and squares her intercepted 5th house ruler (Jupiter).
Ruler of his 1st house (Sun) trines her 1st house ruler (Sun).
Their ASC are conjunct each other.
His ancient 5th house ruler (Mars) opposite her 7th and 8th hosue ruler.

Hmm, to me this looks like they really have been in love or maybe still are.

DD

posted January 27, 2008 07:53 AM            

all "famous" astrologers have more complicated theories that dare to speak on bahalf of "bad" aspects and/or "bad" planets, but beginners never seem to listen or take those into account.

futher more, a search on this site would come up with kzillion of posts made by astrologers or more advanced "students" saying one way or another that "good aspects don't make the world go round", "good" and "bad" do not astrology make.

since I already know you're gonna a)ignore this post b)criticize me personally for making it, I'm gonna put aside the astrology, so let's talk semantics:

how do you DEFINE a "good" relationship?

posted January 27, 2008 07:57 AM              

That`s a brilliant question. And I think it`s the crux of it all.
It all depends on what you expect of a relationship, what you think is a good relationship for YOU.

DD

posted January 27, 2008 08:07 AM              

even though personally I would definitely agree, I think it really comes down to the natal charts.

Someone with a very soft, flowing chart, with much Taurus, Libra and Cancer influence with no, or almost no, tensed aspects, would probably be totally overwhelmed by a Venus-Pluto or Venus-Mars-square for example. It would hurt them, I think.

On the other hand, someone with some tension in their charts, would actually NEED such challenging aspects to even consider a relationship with that person.

posted January 27, 2008 10:28 AM              

As always you make excelent points and reached the good points in their "bad" sinastries,however:

Dont forget never the Draconics they are hugelly important and shows the patterns that arent so easily seen ( or arent there) uin the Tropicals.

I bet that those 2 couples have very good conections there that somehow explains why they stay together and happy besides all those challenging conections in tropical

posted January 27, 2008 10:52 AM              

yes, I would never ever underestimate the Draconics.
But as I know that not everyone is convinced of the Draco-connections, Itried to point out the strength in the tropical synastry.

But I agree, the Draconics add an amazing depth to a synastry.

BTW I answered your question about whom I feel connected to the most in the "Magi"-thread.

posted January 27, 2008 11:24 AM            

Just to repeat what Cristiname said, I really hope that the beginning astrologers here study what you've just done.

I can imagine how many of them make the mistake of seeing a square or opposition in a comparison with a person they are interested in and then reject them based on it, when they could be passing up a great relationship. Both of your analysis here are fantastic.

Do you do private consultations? I would highly recommend you to my friends and family members. Some of them are too close for me to look at their charts and I get fatalistic llooooll.

I love Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's comparison. With the strong cardinal squares they have, it makes me think that their relationship couldn't have started any other way except to rile up the world with anger and debate in the process. And you're right that he needs energies like hers to give him the pushes, shoves and pressured kicks in the butt that he needed to move his life and facilitator energies into the next phase. You could see during the previous year and the time when they hooked up that he was desperate to have a home and children. I think he was having a Solar Arc Pluto to his Moon if I remember correctly.

With all of her 9th house planets, she's got the gift for foreign policy, she's a force in the world.

It's funny you mention that only two Arians could handle an exact Mars-Mars square. My brother and I are both Aries. We are not twins but we were born exactly a year apart, our Sun's share the same degree, so you will understand that we have a tight orb Mars-Mars opposition. His Mars is in Aries (very active and angry guy) my Mars in Libra. Yes, we fought like cats and dogs but nothing too serious. My poor Mother, her Libra Sun is exactly opposite our Sun's and conjunct my Mars, opposed by his Mars. Needless to say we were a handful for her.

Back to Charles and Camilla, I think all those hardships over the years that they've endured are reflected in their comparison and I think that they have all mostly been worked out in order for them to marry one another in their 50's. They've definitely had more "space" than they ever wanted up to now. I'm sure you've heard once in a while about them having some tension, even after this marriage, but I think that people forget to take age into consideration. That we have different needs as we get older, we're willing to overlook certain ideals or ideas of perfection that we insist upon when we're younger, we understand the way the world works a whole lot better and willing to let our partners be themselves more as well.

Fantastic analysis', DarkDreamer.

Christiname,

That is a great question, what makes a good relationship. I don't profess to know and I think that's your point in asking the question. Everyone has different needs and desires in relationships. Some couples actually LOVE TO FIGHT and they'll tell you that, so if you pass up some of those tense aspects in their comparison, they won't have any challenging debates that they so crave.

Some couples need complete and utter calm. Some couples need lots of sexual activity and some don't want any. Some couples really just want to be power couples in a business sense and care nothing about the romance and all of these relationships are valid.

Thanks for a great topic, TripleCancer.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted January 27, 2008 11:37 AM              

Yup i also think that DD - you can rightly start to do some charts,you already know you have got a gift on this Area...and as Geocosmic Valentine said many astrologers just look at the basis,forgetting that each relationship has its complexity and its always diferent from one another even having the same standard conections -it depends on each person and how they are - thats why you always look at the natals 1st

posted January 27, 2008 12:14 PM              

thank you very much for your lovely compliments. It`s great to hear something like that.

Well, no, I don`t do private consultations, mainly because I never get to finish them. lol
I once did them for familymembers and friends, but it turned out that some of them asked me to NEVER do that again, because apparently it was TOO spot on. And my uncle doesn`T talk to us anymore since I did an analysis for him. But I hope it`s not the only reason.

But really the reason is that i think I`m never good enough and secondly that I never finish what I start. Must be all those mutable signs in my chart.

But thank you for your compliments anyway.
But of course if you have a special question or area in mind you want to have analysed, I could risk a glance and tell you my thoughts.

And yes I definitely agree on your analysis of Angelina / Brad and Charles / Camilla, Geocosmic Valentine.
Also, Uranus is not always a bad thing.

My dad`s Uranus is square my mum`s Moon and yet they have been married for over 30 years now. But my Dad has a Stellium of Sun, Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius and my Mum has Uranus in 1st house.

And oh surprise, their eldest child (me) has Moon in Aquarius, their eldest son has ASC in Aquarius and their youngest son has Uranus conjunct Moon and Jupiter.

posted January 27, 2008 08:49 PM              

if theres no sun to moon aspects that doenst make a bad sinastry or even if its a skuare or oposition it isnt bad either - at least theres a conection between the energies!

Look at my example,me and my love donesnt have that and we do love each ohter very much - and we have our moons skuared which its not seen as a good thing either BUT

iTS YOU who must know better - what do you feel and if you want and believe that its worth to live the challenges in the relationship - remenber what someone here at LL said: theres no bad conection that can doom a love relationship and no great aspect that can turn a happily forever relationship,if there isnt true love and commitment and effort

posted January 28, 2008 02:10 AM              

i love ur comaprisons too,
maybe we should start our own Astro - blog

i think i did the Brad- angelina synastry somewhere in june
here is the thread

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014181.html

drcao is about the spiritual fulfillment of a relationship, from an evolutionary perspective, also based on past life interactuions between the people.
for eg.
my dads draco karma conjuncts my draco sun exactly.

that means , theoritically he has been father or important male figure in a past life, and we are continuing that soul contract.
i did a past life regression and found we have been father- daughter 5 times

Draco is not so much about compatibility problems as much about resolution of them so both individuals move towards their Nodal and Pluto evolutuionary requirements.

posted January 28, 2008 02:12 AM              

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Asteroid Angelina in Brad's chart sits on 28 Cap exactly conjunct Angelina'a D.C. and Angelina's Draco Juno conjuncts Brad's Draco Angelina

Brad's Draco Valentine conjuncts Angelina's Natal Saturn and Karma
Brad's Draco Karma conjuncts Angelina's Natal Karma, Ascendent and Venus
Brad's Draco Vertex sits on Angelina's Draco Osiris!!

Angelina's Natal Vertex sits on Brad's Natal Ascendent at 11 Sag exactly !!!!!

BUT WAIT...
Angelina's Draco Vertex opposes Brad's Draco Venus
Angelina's Natal Karma exactly opposes Brad's Natal Moon.
Brad's Valentine opposes Angelina's Isis and Mars
Angelina's Draco Osiris sits on Brad's Node
Angelina's Draco Saturn conjunct Brad's Natal Juno!
Angelina's Draco Isis opposes Brad's Natal Saturn

posted January 28, 2008 02:13 AM              

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June's Isis conjuncts Johhny's Draco Ascendent
Johhny's Draco venus conjuncts June's Natal Vertex.*
Johhny's Draco Chiron conjuncts June's Natal Venus and Node
( healing his alcoholism with her love was her spiritual path ? )
June's Draco Chiron conjuncys Johhny's Natal Asc.
( she was his Healer )

June's Natal Saturn conjuncts Johhny's Draco I.C.
( another I.C. hit, this proves heavy Home Karma )*
Johhny's Draco moon opposes Juyne's Draco sun

Johhny's Draco Saturn and Karma exactly conjuncts June's Draco D.C.*
( he was bound by a karmic contract to be her husband )

Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris conjuncts June's Draco Saturn

Johhny's Anti- Vertex conjuncts June's Draco Venus*

June's Draco Saturn Conjuncts Johhny's Natal moon *
( they have shared a parent child relationship in a previous life as Saturn stands for father and moon is Mother zodiacally )
June's Draco Chiron and venus conjuncts Johhny's Draco Asc.

June's Draco Juno conjuncts Johhny's Natal D.C. *
( speaks for itself)

June's Draco Valentine opposes Johhny's Draco Isis and Osiris