posted December 23, 2015 05:14 AM            

This is my chart, tell me what you see. And of course, leave your chart too.

(please use standard aspects, and some love asteroids which you think are more important for your love side of the chart)

The most interesting part is a summary of methods we use for this evaluation. What do you think they should be, an overview of all methods suitable for this?

I'll think about it too.

Here I used the first basic method: natal chart with some love asteroids with the transits for 1st of January

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 23, 2015 05:23 AM            

- general romance planets with transits/configurations - such as Venus
- love rulers/personalized love planets activity - for example, in my case Saturn, as DSC planet and also chart ruler, always plays a role
- angle conjunctions which seem romance related (connecting them with love rulers and houses)
- and something that seems to play an important role, intense activity of the love asteroids (usually the ones I have on my chart here), especially Juno and the Eros trio (Eros, Cupido, Amor)

and last but far from the least, overlays

Any more suggestions?

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 23, 2015 05:50 AM            

I`ll be back and will be playing (though Iw ill have to clean up my appartment a little before ).

posted December 23, 2015 05:54 AM            

You too? I was just trying to do as little as possible, and let the others work, I'm such a busy astrologer after all

posted December 23, 2015 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Did you notice we start the year with an Eros-Psyche-opposition, though it is not exact, but still close enough to make me take notice.

Eros 13°57 Sagittarius
Psyche 12°45 Gemini

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posted December 23, 2015 07:24 AM            

Tr Valentine right on your natal MC - so love and romance will be in the spotlight next year and very very visible, maybe even signifying a consolidation of a love, sort of making things official with your MC involved.

What I also noticed, even though it is not directly a love asteroid, you have a Pallas-Return (approximately), and being on the ASC it is of course in the spotlight, too.
here in this instance Tr Pallas activates a Grand Cross with Valentine, Cupido and Chiron.
You might realize some patterns concerning your loverelationships or how you yourself approach love and romance. With Chiron it might be patterns that leave you vulnerable and have caused pain in the past, but which have the potential to be elevated to a higher level, transformed and used for healing, so that love can thrive.

I suppose someone with angles or personal planets on one of the corners of that Grand Cross, might be a catalyst for that.

Of course the transiting Jupiter-Node-Moon (though a bit wide) on your natal Sun and approaching your Union might also be indicative of a relationship being very much energized, emotionalized and pulled into the future, especially with Sun being the ruler of your intercepted 7th house.

I think with Alma-Saturn-Eros all on your PoF-NN, a committed soulconnected erotic relationship will be what is going to make you happy and pull you towards your future.

I am not sure how the both of us will experience the T-square of the transiting Uranus-Pluto-square (the final hit!) involving both our Saturns so tightly.

For you Saturn connects the relationship axis itself (ruler of ASC on the DESC), for me it connects the 2nd-8th axis (ruler of 2nd in 8th).

Pluto is heading towards your ASC, so be prepared for atotal makeover.

Tr Uranus on the cusp of 3rd house will probably involve your style of communication, possible relationship with siblings, but I do also think of the 3rd house in terms of relocation maybe (?). Or being broadcasted in the media. lol

Tr Neptune activates the T-square of your Ceres-Pholus to your Venus and squaring your Neptune, with Tr Union also being conjunct your Neptune.
Great spiritual potential, however you will need to keep your feet on the ground and asess the relationships realistically, not getting swept up in dreams and fantasies too much, or letting a relationship become "platonized", though hopefully with eros so nearby that is not going to happen. But it will more get a tantric feel.

However, in the worst case scenario Neptune tends to dissolve things, and it usually starts innocently enough until it becomes an avalanche and inevitable. It does nto need to be like that of course, but I have seen it, so I wanted to mention it nevertheless.
Let`s just go for the spiritual option.
(of course I do have that set myself, just for me it affects Mars-ASC, and there is no T-square, well my asteroid Lilith is on 6 Virgo. lol)

posted December 23, 2015 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Youhoo! and this is circling our NNs, mine is at 14 deg. Sag, and for you, it is on 7th/1st...I'll be back!

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Yes it also sort of hits my Draco Psyche on 13°52 Gemini

posted December 23, 2015 07:33 AM            

in the box Vertex-Pholus

And additionally

16 Psyche
433 Eros
1221 Amor
763 Cupido
447 Valentine
1585 Union
3811 Karma

At least I think these are the ones I put in there, you could also do

1388 Aphrodite
2101 Adonis
h21 Lilith
h22 Priapus
h13 true Lilith

posted December 23, 2015 05:54 PM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 24, 2015 03:42 PM            

TrNN is going to conjunct natal Venus in December of next year, so you could begin a romance towards the end of the year that is likely to be very karmic, especially given the Pluto-Saturn opposition. It'd be interesting to set up a chart to coincide with this transit.

posted December 24, 2015 03:49 PM            

With Neptune hitting your intercepted 3rd house, connected to your DSC, and on your Jupiter Juno stellium connected with Ceres, your 5th ruler and your ASC, I am going to see a theme of fertility here, of blooming of your intercepted house. If it's not actual fertility (although this would be a good year for it), I think a love archetype, connected with themes of true nurturing, true masculinity vs femininity, true soul marriage (yet brought into a tangible day to day form, just like Juno Jupiter, and also Ceres and Mars are), this archetype of what your ideal mate is finally going to take its most polished and refined form, the truest form compared to your own nature, and with Neptune here, there is a chance of seeing this mind image, this archetype you have been carrying inside and looking for outside, taking a concrete form - and another symbol for it would be Mars, when it comes to actually seeing this Arthur manifest (or was it Lancelot, after all? lol) . There is an entire story of preparation for this moment, for the whole path of the square.
For you this square is also waxing by comparison to your ASC, so it is in a manifestation form of applied maturity and "I know what my dream is, I know what I want (Mars)" from your ASC to your DSC, whicch actually creates a mirroring effect of the inner groom into the outer groom.

This of course also coincides with Saturn transiting your sign on many levels...Sag!!!!! - forming a "dogma" here, positively described as a crystallized image of the desired partnership, which we all know that when it's ready, so does the manifestation occur, and Neptune, working with Saturn here, can make it happen.
What is amazing about this, applied to your chart, is that you have this moment already written in it, you have an almost perfect BQ between those in your natal chart, am I right? and there must be, apart from the symbolism, interesting geometry with your BQ and the tNeptune nSaturn trine, tSaturn conj nNeptune. The trine to Saturn is wide, yet happening, and gaining momentum, creating a continuum of the theme, which I see as the most intriguing; this wide trine, while applying for the years to come, makes me think of the story which may begin now, unfolding, and a trine we know, it's a long and smooth story.
Clues about how the dream could manifest, about this mystery man, are to be found in the 3rd house, and in connection with Jupiter Juno and Ceres, so it is related to a partnership initially based on communication, short travel, neighborhood, but I also see school, teaching, caring here. Your daily activities.

Other remarkable love transits I see and how I think they may manifest:

tJupiter sq your Sun DSC ruler duo, and also Saturn approaching...that's actually a marriage, marital relationship possible event. With this duo, you may feel a need to balance personal limitations, a need for sobriety and realness (applied to your Venus, mostly) * Saturn - with outright expansive expression of your whole Sag combo, your personality -Jupiter - I think you will strike the opposite sex with the impression of being a fine wine sometimes turning into bubbling champagne. Of course there is still a long way until Saturn reaches your Sun/Mercury, but transiting the first house makes it with impact of everything around your ASC, and you are a first house person! lol and a Sag!

tVenus Union at the beginning of the year cnj Mars youhoo! hot hot hot free as a bird, nothing in its way: I see glamour here, and sudden transporting artistic events, with Neptune, and attracting like honey, the bees Venus starting point is Amor, so in the mood for love, and a serous increase in sex appeal, projected from an intense desire for merging, but tAmor conj Juno, this is very lovely, for you're only ready for love and a partnership based on love is possible. With this combination here, and considering the Mars Uranus conj, I see a coup de foudre happening this year, for sure, with the Uranus touch, as you like it. And we shouldn't ignore, as a herald, the Messenger of the Gods, your DSC ruler, at the beginning of the year, messing around in this combination, and tVenus being your 5th ruler, conj Mars .

posted December 24, 2015 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
Well, if you do become involved romantically, it does not look like it will not be a light and casual matter given trPluto's opposition to nSaturn, and the t-square with Uranus Ceridwen mentioned. It looks like any relationship entered into is going to be a catalyst for significant changes and perhaps self-inquiry?, "a clearing of the decks," maybe as a prelude to the 1House Pluto transit.

TrNN is going to conjunct natal Venus in December of next year, so you could begin a romance towards the end of the year that is likely to be very karmic, especially given the Pluto-Saturn opposition. It'd be interesting to set up a chart to coincide with this transit.

LeeLoo, have you looked at your solar return for 2015-2016?

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Hi, Peony So nice to see you!

posted December 24, 2015 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Peony So nice to see you!

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Good to "see" you too, LeeLoo!

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Indeed, heavy stuff in there for me, all work, no play lol just kidding. Saturn and Pluto have been my playground for ages, my favorites toys. Maybe I manage to bring what I learned about their tricks on relational level> I should be able to do this, with Saturn conj DSC, and Pluto as it is (for example conj Mercury, my double love ruler, 5th and 8th)

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I can only laugh when you refer to Saturn-Pluto the way you do, or maybe you're being ironic!

I see now, yes, the Mercury-Pluto and Mars-Pluto conjunctions in Libra, Cap rising and Saturn on the DESC. Interesting, I don't get this vibe from you in our interactions. I notice your Leo Moon, maybe because my Sun and ASC are conjunct. Anyway...it'll be interesting to hear how you weave what you know into the relational sphere. I'm sure others would benefit as well.

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Pluto conj ASC often leaves many people behind, and sometimes an entire life, it could be a radical change, when no one recognizes you anymore, so you need new friends, a new identity I think whatever my love life is, it must be part of this scary, yet fascinating scheme

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Cap risings as I recall tend to be introverted and more intellectually active, not outer directed or ambitious like Cap suns. I'm wondering, although this is off topic, as you're putting your work out into the world, is it possible this will have an impact and that this is what the Pluto 1H transit might be about? I'm also thinking of the Saturn transit to your natal NN, which is very auspicious, professionally speaking and making these kinds of connections or relationships.

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I studied this SR some time ago, but I have to remind myself what's in there. I think the SR should be an important part of this analysis.

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Definitely.

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What about your chart?

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You mean the Solar Return?

SR Saturn squares SR ASC-DESC
and squares SR Venus

SR Moon squares SR nodes.

But, as I was saying to a friend recently, who but a 12H Venus can wait lifetimes for the one they love to come around! lol

posted December 26, 2015 06:37 AM            

It`s so profound and extensive what you wrote I do not know where to start to respond.

"and all giants squares per transits, is that their planetary energy becomes very real, tangible, concrete with the square and sometimes we can even notice actual physical manifestations, such as physical symptoms lol. "
That is an interesting thought.
Yes, I think that is why they tend to be so often "event-aspects".

"No, they are buzzing around the corner like an ER car, an alien, estranged part of ourselves we know we need to claim once and for all."
Interestingly that is exactly the image I suddenly got 2 or 3 days ago in terms of squares, how you are moving along (from conjunction to opposition) and they tend to catch you sideways and offguard. Well they are 90° after all!!!
While you are looking straight ahead something`s bumping into you from the side.

(I actually noticed that in the Age Harmonics for Mr Sag and me; I am going to have an Uranus-MC-conjunction in my AGe Harmonics next years, which is squaring his natal Venus-Juno-opposition, most exact to his Venus, though, and that is in accordance with the progressing "theme" for the last years, I tend to always be Uranus in some strong aspect, usually square, to his planets, and mostly currently to his IC-MC-axis. Yeah, mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. lol

It just made sense, he also has in his Age harmonics a Venus-Uranus-square, with my natal Uranus being opposing his h Uranus and conjunct his hVenus widely at 2 degrees, it`s mostly the Uranus-thing I guess. lol).

But well I did not want to get into that, just observed it and realized what the square means in general terms, something that just crashes into your side while you are going your way, and then you somehow have to deal with the impact. lol

But of course yes it is something very tangible, though in terms of Neptune I wonder what it could be. lol

"Neptune sq, the distillation of a dream)
With Neptune hitting your intercepted 3rd house, connected to your DSC, and on your Jupiter Juno stellium connected with Ceres, your 5th ruler and your ASC, I am going to see a theme of fertility here, of blooming of your intercepted house."
While I of course would like to have some positive development in my own life, I can see this one so much related to my brother becoming a Dad this year!

In fact his Sun is conjunct my Jupiter. lol
And his Sun, Mercury and ASC falling into my 3rd house (Sun and ASC in Pisces), and his girlfriend`s Sun, Mercury and Venus also falling there, and their composite Sun-Mercury-Venus of course, too.
So I guess it is an apt manifestation.

"What is amazing about this, applied to your chart, is that you have this moment already written in it, you have an almost perfect BQ between those in your natal chart, am I right?"
Yes, Saturn is biquintile Neptune in my chart.
And it is very clear to see how much of a Saturnian theme the next years will have, right now Tr Saturn being on my n Neptune-NN exact.
But also how my natal Saturn is being hit, by the opposition of Tr Pluto and the square of Tr Uranus. Not easy I suppose, but important.
Well yes, I do dread the Pluto-Saturn-aspect certainly, but what can I do? It`s there if I dread it or not.

" and there must be, apart from the symbolism, interesting geometry with your BQ and the tNeptune nSaturn trine, tSaturn conj nNeptune."
hmm let`s see

T Neptune 7 Pisces
n Saturn 17 Cancer
t Saturn 10 Sag
n Neptune 10 Sag

hm I do not see it

As a side note interestingly Tr Saturn is conjunct my brother`s natal Moon-Jupiter-URanus-conjunction and square his n Sun (at 5 degrees applying) - wow, he really has got to take over responsibility!

his girlfriend has Uranus on 13 Sag and her SN on 9 Sag.

" partnership initially based on communication, short travel, neighborhood, but I also see school, teaching, caring here. Your daily activities."
Well despite me seeing that in relation to my brother now, I will keep my eyes on my neighbourhood, short travels, communications and the like.

"Of course there is still a long way until Saturn reaches your Sun/Mercury, but transiting the first house makes it with impact of everything around your ASC, and you are a first house person! lol and a Sag!"
Yes, and I totally felt the transit over my ASC-degree, almost to the minute!

First hit of Tr saturn to my n Mercury will be in february 2017.

In the preparation phase for the peak of my pMars conjunct n Venus (in november 2017).
it will enter the 1 degree applying orb in june 2016 (and is already at about 1 and a half degre applying)

"hot hot hot free as a bird,"
Yes, free as a bird, hehe.

posted December 26, 2015 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:

But, as I was saying to a friend recently, who but a 12H Venus can wait lifetimes for the one they love to come around! lol

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This is it! While reading your SR aspects, this is what I was thinking, and then you put it into words yourself. It looks like an into-your-face activation of the Moon/Saturn archetype.