posted December 26, 2015 04:38 PM            

I'd like to offer to copy out interpretations from "The Combination of Stellar Influences," by Reinhold Ebertin, as I'm able, for anybody wishing for interpretations of midpoint pictures in their synastry, composite, etc. who doesn't have this book handy.

Edit: or from this other book that's good and is already in digital form...

In case somebody doesn't know this yet, there is a way to pull up a midpoint grid for your chart using astro.com, under Pullen/Astrolog it says "Aspect/midpoint grid chart." If you've been wondering about midpoints and chart comparisons, just open this grid in a new window and have the planetary positions of the other person and the compsosite handy to compare and reference. Look for conjunctions, oppositions, and squares too, if you like. I weigh the conjunctions and oppositions more heavily but have noticed the squares coming into play as well.

This won't work for bringing up the composite midpoints unfortunately.

I've just taken the time to copy some of Reinhold Ebertin's interpretations for natal midpoint pictures, which seem to translate quite well to interpersonal astrology, as they pertain to aspects between myself and my friend, D. It is by no means a complete list, just what I've done this afternoon. Might add more as I go, and use this thread for reference.

K's Midpoints to D's planets

Jupiter/Dragon's Head= Sun
Good fellowship, a sense of social justice Finding a partner. A happy union with a man.

Sun/Moon = Asc
A frank and open behaviour toward other persons, desire to make new contacts, an association, a friendship, sociable, meetings with other persons.

Sun/Neptune = Descendant (opposition) - read as Ascendant
Difficulty advancing in life, a negatively inclined environment. An association with weak or sick persons.

Moon/Venus = Venus (opposition)

Venus/Neptune= Venus (opposirion)

Saturn/uranus= Moon (square)
Strong emotional stress and strain, state of depression, inconstancy. Sudden desire to liberate oneself from emotional stress, separation from females.

Venus/Jupiter= IC (opposite MC, read as MC)
-Ability to radiate one's inner happiness, demonstration of gladness and warm heart when meeting others. A union between two people which is founded on deep affection.

Venus/Vertex= IC (opp MC, read as MC)

Moon/North Node= MC
Cultivation of individual soul unions. The initiation of a soul union.

Venus/Pluto= Pluto

Venus/Pluto= Saturn (conjunctions)

Venus/Mercury= Pluto and SAturn

Saturn/Juno=PLuto, Saturn

Uranus/Juno=PLuto/Saturn

Sun/Venus= Vertex (conjunction, tight 0'18)

Moon/Juno= Vertex (conjunction, tight 0'30)

Venus/North Node=South Node

Venus/South Node=Nodes (Square)

Pluto/MC=Nodes (square)
Desire to gain leadership by force in a community or group of people. The power of influence over other people.

Mercury/MC=Nodes (square)
Desire to let other people know one's opinions, tendency to seek friends with the same interests in life.

D's Midpoints to K's Planets

Sun/Venus= Pluto, Mercury (opposition)
(PLU: Strong excitability in love life can easily lead to excesses. A fateful love union.)
(Merc: Idea or concept of love, thoughts of love, tendency to express one's ideas on love problems, artistic trends of thought, love dialogues).

Venus/Pluto=MC
(Ego-conscious direction of the sexual urges, strong feeling of love, artistic creation. Deep feelings of love (karmic union).

Saturn/Chiron=MC

Chiron/Vertex=MC

Venus/Saturn=MC
(Emotional inhibitions or inhibited desires, the state of being unsatisfied in love, irritability, jealousy, reserve, urge to seek solitude. Separation in love.)

Venus/Vertex=MC

Mercury/North Node=Jupiter
(Cultivation of social contacts, a person who conducts lively correspondence with others, the beginning of far-reaching associations. A successful business partnership.)

Mars/North Node=Jupiter
(Working well with others, sociable, sharing joy and merriment with otehrs. Successful teamwork, a happy union, desire to become engaged or marry.)

Moon/Mars = Venus (opposition, exact)
(a passionate nature, sex desire, desire for children. The wish to become a mother, creative activityy, urge to create, shape or mold something).

Moon/Mercury=Venus (opposition, one degree)
(the feeling of love, sense of beauty, understanding of art. Love in youth)

Chiron/Juno=Venus (opposition, two degrees)

North Node/MC= Venus (opposition, two degrees)
(Urge to reveal one's innermost feelings and inclinations in personal associations. The capacity to love with one's whole heart)

Venus/Juno=Venus (opposition, three degrees)

Moon/Vertex=Venus (square, tight)

Moon/Saturn=Venus (square, one degree)
(Changes of mood, inhibitions in love expression, lack of self-confidence, teh capability to renounce. Resignation, inclination to stand alone in love or marriage ,illegitimate associations, disappointment in love).

Jupiter/Ascendant= North Node
Appreciation of a beautiful and harmonious environment, love of pleasures and social meetings. A festivity, happy associations.

D's Midpoints to Composite

Moon/Jupiter= Sun (conjunction)
(Optimism, happy and contented, peace-loving nature, social outlook, learning and erudition. The wife who is happy with her husband.
Moon/Jupiter= Venus (opposition)
An abundance of feeling, harmonious nature radiating happiness, an artistic sense. A female artist. A happily loving woman.
Moon/Uranus=Sun (conj.) and Venus (opp)
Juno/South Node=Sun (conj.) and Venus (opp)
Neptune/Juno=Sun (conj.) and Venus (opp.)
Moon/Asc = Sun (square)
Juno/North Node= Sun (square)

K's Midpoints to Composite
Asc/Vertex=Moon
Jupiter/Asc=Moon
Juno/MC=Descendant
Jupiter/Pluto=Descendant
(read as ascendant: Prudence, far-sightedness, organizing talent, desire for power. Personal advancement)
Mars/Jupiter=North Node
Good cooperation with other people. A happy union, an engagement.
Venus/Jupiter=Venus
Chiron/South Node=Venus
Mars/Vertex=North Node
Moon/Mars=Asc, Moon
Establishment of one's rights or privileges within the family, taking over leadership. Contact with a women, with the wife.
Mars/Neptune=Moon
Feelings of inferiority, sensitivity, nervous weakness. Weak, sick, or moody women, crooks. Danger of infection.
Saturn/North Node=Sun

Compposite Midpoints to D's chart: (all conjunctions here, and not a comprehensive list)

Sun/Moon= MC
Venus/Mars= Asc
-A lively expression of feelings, an affectionate nature. The revelation of love, a physical union.
Jupiter/Juno= Sun
North Node/Vertex= North Node
North Node/Asc= North Node
Moon/Pluto=South Node
Upsets in association or in teamwork caused by peculiar emotional reactions and lack of adaptability.

Composite Midpoints to K's chart:

Sun/Mars=NN
-Cultivation of good fellowship, desire to succeed in teamwork, joint plans or undertakings. Confederatin and association in working or fighting for certain objectives. Marriage community.
Juno/Uranus=NN
Venus/Asc=MC
-An affectionate and harmonious person, a sense of beauty, an appreciation of art, artistic inclinations, beautification of the environment. Union with another person through the bonds of love.
Venus/Vertex=MC
Jupiter/MC= Moon
-Cheerful soul and temperament, confidence, the joy of expectation, a harmonious temperament and disposition. A happy relationship with females.
Moon/Saturn=Moon (2 degrees)
Moon/Ascendant= Sun
-One's attitude to the other sex, to living together in association with another person or to blood relations. Tendency or the urge to seek personal contacts.

posted December 31, 2015 06:31 AM            

EDIT: Ah, I get it now. On the left are the actual aspects, on the right the midpoints.

THANK YOU, great thread!!

posted December 31, 2015 06:46 AM            

My SO Sun/Moon Midpoint is conjunct Composite Moon (3 degrees orb)

Is this significant or normal because the Composite is already the Midpoint Chart of our Planets?

His Sun/Neptune and Venus/Neptune Midpoint conjunct Composite Venus exact.
Not good?

His Moon/Pluto Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun exact.

My Chiron/Venus Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun exact.
(oh oh)

BUT my NNode/Venus Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun with 3 degree orb.

posted December 31, 2015 03:02 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
My Sun/Moon Midpoint is conjunct Composite Sun (2 degrees orb)

My SO Sun/Moon Midpoint is conjunct Composite Moon (3 degrees orb)

Is this significant or normal because the Composite is already the Midpoint Chart of our Planets?

His Sun/Neptune and Venus/Neptune Midpoint conjunct Composite Venus exact.
Not good?

His Moon/Pluto Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun exact.

My Chiron/Venus Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun exact.
(oh oh)

BUT my NNode/Venus Midpoint conjunct Composite Sun with 3 degree orb.

NNode/Pluto Midpoint conjuct Composite Sun with 1 degree orb.

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IMO Neptune in Midpoint pictures does not have to be bad. Venus/Neptune is very romantic and with other stabilizing factors this could have him seeing through rose coloured permanent contact lenses... heh... but there might be a risk of disillusionment.. still, sounds like a good connection from this info.

The Sun/Moon to composite Sun/Moon means you have Sun Moon conjunctions in synastry, if I recall correctly. Is that so?

posted December 31, 2015 03:19 PM            

Disclaimer: Guilty rant about orbs ahead:

posted December 31, 2015 04:25 PM            

But yes, the 1 degree midpoints are the ones we need to focus on, even though we might be tempted by wider midpoints, just because they look so much more beautiful.

However, what I also think is take a note of the "cascading midpoints", you know if one after the other hits similiar spots.

Like in my chart

Jupiter/Neptune: 25°34 Cap
Jupiter/ Node: 25°41 Cap
Uranus/Chiron: 25°41 Cap
Mars/juno 26°04 Cap
Moon/Venus 26°37 Cap
ASC/Juno 27°00 Cap

I think it definitely is worth a knot in the memory if such cascades happen (provided the empty spots between them does not exceed 1°)

posted March 07, 2016 05:46 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think 2 degrees is still within almost reasonable range, especially if two of the planets are Sun, Moon or an angle.

But yes, the 1 degree midpoints are the ones we need to focus on, even though we might be tempted by wider midpoints, just because they look so much more beautiful.

However, what I also think is take a note of the "cascading midpoints", you know if one after the other hits similiar spots.

Like in my chart

Jupiter/Neptune: 25°34 Cap
Jupiter/ Node: 25°41 Cap
Uranus/Chiron: 25°41 Cap
Mars/juno 26°04 Cap
Moon/Venus 26°37 Cap
ASC/Juno 27°00 Cap

I think it definitely is worth a knot in the memory if such cascades happen (provided the empty spots between them does not exceed 1°)

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posted March 09, 2016 02:28 PM            

I think it gives a really intimate and complex picture of a person's psychological map when you can see which of their midpoints conjunct other midpoints. Like, they operate these two things at once, in the same place. To get to their Sun/Venus you may need to go through the Saturn/Asc first, get my drift?

posted August 14, 2016 05:53 AM            

Though all the books on midpoints I have read so far (and it`s been quite some. lol), while several of them being very good, it seems to me like there is still a bit missing. I don`t know.

But then again, honestly speaking if we can combine symbolism of two planets, then we know what a midpoint *can* be about.

posted August 14, 2016 08:31 AM            

Like for MOON/MC it says

"These points denote your capacity to combine qualities such as mothering, caring, sensitivity, support, and sympathy into your overall personal development and behavior. Your uncertainties over how to mature and grow independently, how to gain respectability from others, how to improve your reputation, and what your personal rules of conduct and behavior may be, are mirrored here."

posted August 14, 2016 08:41 AM            

Anyway, Moon/MC as soul comes from the idea of the cosmobiologists (Ebertin and Witte and so on) that the MC is signifying the Self, not just the public image you have, but really

"The soul of the native per se, the so-called “ego”, therefore the most important point In the horoscope. The “I”, the spiritual. Intellectual and social Impressions. The minute, the moment."