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doublewhammy
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posted January 13, 2016 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm the libra rising with the inner chart.
[IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/solunardoublewhammy/synastry_zpssbfh6n0r.j pg[/IMG]

composite...
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posted January 13, 2016 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate more closely to this story than I care to admit. It's a curse and a nightmare..and can potentially tear your world apart. Are both birth times exact?

The chart is too hard to read in this format. Can you re-post it using astro.com?

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doublewhammy
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posted January 13, 2016 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi tgem, thanks for responding. I was just about to delete it and try to forget about it when I saw your post! my chart (libra rising inner wheel) is exact, his isn't as his mother is guessing at the time. but he definitely fits with gemini rising. so frustrating not to know exactly. thanks for any advice you can offer!

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doublewhammy
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posted January 13, 2016 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also intrigued about your own story if you feel like sharing?

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posted January 13, 2016 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted January 13, 2016 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speechless at that synastry! Not only that but you both have Mars/Neptune DWs and Venus/SN DWs! Not gonna pass any personal judgment on the situation, but given the charts, I'm sure this is an awfully loud siren song for you. Hope more professional astrologers can chime in with their take.

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posted January 13, 2016 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been dealing with the same situation for the past 5 yrs.

I feel your pain.
I don't seem to have the synastry though, so I don't know what it is.

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posted January 13, 2016 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegrinning_cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the most amazing Synastry I have ever seen.
EVER.

I'm so sorry that it happens under these painful circumstances!

But such a constellation is very rare.
My guess would be that you will not manage to avoid each other...and maybe after some time your partners will understand that.

Love happens. Sometimes there is nothing you can do about it.
(This is my Neptune speaking, hopelessly romantic)

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posted January 13, 2016 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My lunch just fell out of my mouth.

That's a DW haven!

Good luck on this one 😳😳😳

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posted January 13, 2016 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaceyLeigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it will eventually break itself up. This doesn't look too promising for a long-term romantic relationship. Sun opposite Uranus is very unstable. Hard aspects to Saturn (Mercury/Saturn double whammy, Sun opposite Saturn and Mars square Saturn) indicates a very restricting, oppressive feeling in the friendship. Opposing Venuses, on a personal level, you wouldn't have much in common. Your love styles don't match up. Mercury squaring sun arguments might arise due to ego problems. Moon squaring Mars you would eventually wear on eachother's nerves because Mars is insensitive and the moon is too sensitive. Pluto opposite Venus is a pretty domineering aspect to have in synastry. Mix it with hard Saturn and Uranus and you're kind of looking at a disaster. Also, it looks like other than the conjunction to your sun, his moon is unaspected, is that true?

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posted January 14, 2016 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, thanks so much to all of you for having a look. It makes me feel better that there probably is something going on with the synastry - and that there might be a way out of this spiderweb I’m caught in the middle of.


Here’s our aspect chart for the synastry. I'm down and he's across - I think!

[IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/solunardoublewhammy /Synastry%20Orbs%20amp%20Aspects_zpsjivwyqhn.jpg[/IMG]

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posted January 14, 2016 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. Astrology aside here.

It's kind of like, "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". I'm not innocent myself.

I'm not being judgemental when I say this: you're focused on you and him to the point that other things get blurred out. Where other people become obstacles, rather than people with feelings. (I know this from experience)
Not to say 100% that you're discarding others but simply that you're losing focus.

So do this please. Spend a day, a few moments, a few days, a little each day. When you're alone and when you're with them. Clear your mind and widen your view. Remove yourself mentally and put yourself in the shoes of his wife and your bf. Think about the value of feelings and respect for them.
Is it worth causing hurt/anger/pain to two other people?
From what you say, neither his wife or your bf have done anything wrong to deserve to have their worlds rocked like that.

Just really, sort of meditate on them. Think about that.
I've made these mistakes.

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posted January 14, 2016 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This relationship is extremely karmic; I have never seen a venus/SN DW before, but you also have some hard saturn aspects. What worries me is the saturn/neptune square. This aspect has been deemed one of an extremely dangerous relationship. You two were most likely married or lovers in a past life and one of you was tragically taken away from the other...maybe was killed, died unexpectedly etc. it is absolutely a soulmate relationship with conjunctions to your angles. His venus/puto/NN sitting almost exactly on your ASC is an absolute doozy. And he has other planets in your relationship houses as well. His moon in your 8th will drive you nuts with sexual emotions toward him, but his Chiron in your 7th will bring tremendous pain for you... He has definitely picked up on your feelings for him! Not only does your moon conjunct his Mercury (which is a telepathic link) his 12th house moon is widely opposite your neptune (which is a telepathic link as well.). His 12th house moon alone, probably gives him psychic abilities/prophetic dreams etc.

Do you have any idea if his mom indicated his birth time was fairly accurate? Like within an hour or two?

If you like, you can add the following asteroids to your synastry and composite so we can get a better look at the nature of this relationship between you two: karma (3811) eros (433) psyche (16) Amor (1221) Valentine (447) juno (3) Union (1585) and alma (390).

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posted January 14, 2016 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would never hurt them, they make me happy. I couldn’t cause that amount of pain. what I’m looking for is confirmation that there’s a reason I haven’t been able to just ignore it - I do believe there really could be something karmic there.

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posted January 14, 2016 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome. I'm glad that you didn't take it wrong.
As for astrology. I think I'm average at best but I agree with everything said so far.
The Venus opposition, Venus/asc, Sun/moon dw. All very powerful. Karmic? I don't know. I sometimes think we can find indications but I'm always hesitant to say positively.

Included in this is that I also agree with Saturn/mercury dw. I feel that this will keep you from speaking of it to him. The timing will never be right, you can't get him one on one, etc. Things of that nurture. Then, if you were to be together for some reason you may feel that each is restricted in speech. That you may feel judged for expressing your thoughts.

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posted January 14, 2016 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I have a lot to say about this... This might not be as easy to get away from as you think. Do you know how to add the vertex? Also, can you post the composite with the asteroids as well. You might want to add Isis (42) and Osiris (1923.). Those could really prove interesting.

When you go to astro. com, click on the "additional tables" and post the aspects grid. I'd really like to see the declinations.

P.s. And yes this is absolutely karmic! His karma asteroid is sitting right on top of your juno/IC conjunction! And if his angles are correct, your karma is sitting on his MC.

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posted January 14, 2016 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
looking at the composite mars is conjunct to pluto and square to the venus/node conjunction. this is a intense sexual and emotional psychic connection.but you are aware already of the destructive nature shown by the mars/pluto conjunction. it really would destroy your life if anything came of this because thought the venus node shows exalted inspired love, the mars/pluto is purely instinctual and nothing good could ever come from this
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posted January 20, 2016 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

synastry with astroids
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synastry aspects grid (i'm 8th house sun/ 1st house moon)
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composite with asteroids

comp with asteroids table
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posted January 20, 2016 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah. tgem, here's the vertex synastry chart. It's an area I know little about so I'll learn from anything you say!

[IMG]http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/solunardoublewhammy/synastry%20ve rtex_zpstsgegosf.gif[/IMG]

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posted January 20, 2016 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok well my first guess is that your angles are most likely a little off in your composite. Your asteroids definitely confirm a soulmate relationship and not a light one either. The two soulmate asteroid pairs I wanted to look at were Eros/psyche and Isis/Osiris. What's key here is your very wide Isis/Osiris conjunction in Your composite 1st. It's wide at 5 degrees (I prefer closer orbs like max 3 degrees) but your Osiris is interestingly enough conjujct the Royal Star Regulus at 29 LEO.

My guess is that your composite sun/moon conjunction is most likely in your 1st (quite possibly conjunct your ASC) which pushes your Isis/Osiris into the late 1st/2nd house of soulmates. It also then pushes your composite saturn into your 12th which would make much more sense. And I have some speculations about your composite Union then sitting in your 11th house.

I came to this conclusion by studying each of your natals. You BOTH have the soulmate pairs in your own
natals, which isn't that common. You have a wide eros/psyche sextile and a very wide Isis/Osiris conjunction by sign in Cancer. He has a wide Isis/Osiris conjunction in Libra on his Libra stellium AND a tight Eros/Psyche square. That's why I wanted to look at the declinations as I suspect some of these might be parallel which would be very significant! Your composite Juno is also sitting on the Galactic Center 26 Sag which is notable as well.
You included the "aspect" chart but not the declinations. They are all the numbers/degrees listed at the top of the page. The column says "DECLINATIONS." Anyway I am suspecting even more quite a special synastry here, but I hesitate to dive deeper without further investigation. You can also try adding asteroid Alma (390) which stands for the soul.

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posted January 20, 2016 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi doublewhammy
well it look like your are bound by destiny to push this to it's manifestation.
Jupiter on the ascendant gives a potential for marriage. it can be friends or business/education matter also , but here with mars square the node the desire bodies are deeply meshing so marriage seems the course you are following. and you are fully aware that this will entail destruction of other's emotional lives, potentially.
as the venus/Saturn midpoint is opposed to Uranus.
with moon tightly conjunct to the sun , and with mars exactly sextile the sun and moon, Neptune sextile to mars and trine to the sun and moon emanates soothing, emotionally healing and spiritual calmness internally. this pattern shows the greatest sensitivity not just to the physical, emotional and psychic wellbeing of each other the aura.
this pattern can be associated with psychic healing abilities manifesting in one or both.

though I can't get rid of the feeling you are playing with fire by even eliciting more input.
Saturn is square to pluto which shows no matter how ethereal and idelkas6ic your feelings, he is cold and will not reciprocate this level of sensitivity. Saturn square to pluto is dark and distance . the selfishness precludes emotional intimacy.
that you images of marriage are futile is shown by the Saturn/pluto midpoint conjunct Jupiter.

the midpoint of the mars/Venus square is at 25scorp17 and square Osiris, with eros opposed to isis.so there may be a deep spiritual sensation of bringing forth new individual destinies through the molting of relationships.

I can only wonder if you have doubled whammed in the past.

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posted January 21, 2016 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ yeah but as OP mentioned, she doesn't have his exact TOB so most likely the composite ASC is off. Therefore there's good chance jupiter isn't on the ASC, although I do feel it still probably sits in their 1st which is nice . However, that being said, I do definitely see the potential for marriage here, but I see it with the composite Juno on 26Sag opposite saturn which we know is the karmic planet. And even if the angles are a little bit off, juno most likely still sits in their composite 5th house of romance. Also, I keep going back to that saturn square neptune in the synastry. That's more of an indication to me this relationship has to come together, for better or worse. They have unfinished business to take care of.

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posted January 21, 2016 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
looking at the composite mars is conjunct to pluto and square to the venus/node conjunction. this is a intense sexual and emotional psychic connection.but you are aware already of the destructive nature shown by the mars/pluto conjunction. it really would destroy your life if anything came of this because thought the venus node shows exalted inspired love, the mars/pluto is purely instinctual and nothing good could ever come from this
todd

Hmmmm, I respectfully disagree on this one: yes, Mars/pluto CAN be destructive, but you have to look at it in the context of the individual chart. First, the conjunction is in the sign of Libra and most likely in their 3rd house of communication. I do think there could be heated argurements/fights here, but Libra is also the sign of balance so it could be about learning to balance their communication between eachother. Second, my gut tells me Mars actually rules their MC and thus Pluto would rule their 5th. So looking at the conjunct house rulers, I would say you're looking at a extrmely sexual, romantic..possibly even very creative future between them. They also could be destined to have children together since chidren are represented in the 5th house.

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posted January 21, 2016 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doublewhammy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey there will never be an 'us' because for all I know this is all coming from me. we have never really spoken about it. 'm just trying to work out why I am feeling like this.

thank you so much once again.

declinations

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synastry with alma included

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posted January 21, 2016 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tgem:
^^ yeah but as OP mentioned, she doesn't have his exact TOB so most likely the composite ASC is off. Therefore there's good chance jupiter isn't on the ASC, although I do feel it still probably sits in their 1st which is nice . However, that being said, I do definitely see the potential for marriage here, but I see it with the composite Juno on 26Sag opposite saturn which we know is the karmic planet. And even if the angles are a little bit off, juno most likely still sits in their composite 5th house of romance. Also, I keep going back to that saturn square neptune in the synastry. That's more of an indication to me this relationship has to come together, for better or worse. They have unfinished business to take care of.

Off topic, but would a Saturn/Neptune conjunction work the same way? Or does it have to be the square?

I am a little intrigued by your take on this aspect but am also realizing the conjunction can be generational since they are both slow moving planets and I would have it with a lot of people.

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