posted January 23, 2016 12:42 PM            

I just spent the morning going over the Davison relationship charts of many of my past relationships/current friendships and had some very interesting revelations. They were very descriptive.

posted January 23, 2016 12:57 PM            

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posted January 23, 2016 01:27 PM            

under 1 degree, I put orbs next to those under 0°30 and those in between 1°00-1°12

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Sun, r7(i) in 11th,
conjunct Venus/Lilith 0°18

Moon, r6 in 12th,
square Mars/Node
conjunct Venus / ASC

Mercury, r5 + r8, in 11th
conjunct Venus/MC
conjunct Sun/lilith
conjunct Moon/Uranus 0°25
(I love that Mercury )

Venus,r4+r9 and rNN, in 12th
opposite Jupiter/Saturn (0°14)

Mars, r3 and rSN, in 9th
square Venus/ASC
conjunct Sun/Saturn 1°00

Jupiter, r11, in 5th
opposite Neptune/Lilith 0°03
is that why he wrote on his twitter, as a reminder to himself as it seemed: "Do what you`re being told to do, know where you belong."?
Always these Lilith-figures, eh? can make a man dream and in the end all that might remain are broken dreams, broken hearts and in worst case scenario broken homes and Lilith might simply have vaporized into thin air.
(c-Neptune/Lilith conjuncts his 7th house ruler, 3rd house ruler, 4th house ruler Mercury exact, too).

Jupiter opposite Node/ASC 0°22
- this is interesting as I have natally a tight Jupiter-Node-ASC interrelation
Node ocnjunct ASC and both square Jupiter.
Since it reappears in composite, it probably means he has at least some kind of similar relation between those, too.

Jupiter opposite Mercury/Lilith 1°03

Saturn, r12 in 7th (i),
square Sun/Pluto
ouch
if it weren`t for all these Saturn-things (and you will see a lot more if I post the midpoints of Davison), all of this could have been so nicely dreamy, castle-in-the-cloud merry, though with a tad of a risk to at least one personīs moral principle

Uranus, r1 in 9th conj. MC,
conjunct Saturn/ASC
square Jupiter/Pluto
(world-shaking. lol our very own revolution we have on our hands here - with Uranus being chartruler)
conjunct Node/Lilith 1°08

Suddenly a chorus of a song flickering through my mind: "You can scream, you can run, you can hide, but you cannot escape". LOL My mind works in weird ways.

Neptune, r2 in 11th
conjunct Venus/Uranus 1°00
conjunct Venus/MC 1°09
conjunct Sun/Lilith 109

Pluto, r10 in 8th
conjunct Saturn/Lilith 1°11
square Jupiter/Saturn 1°02

ASC
square Pluto/MC 0°23
square Uranus/Node 0°15

posted January 23, 2016 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I have the same thing, cMoon in Cap and dMoon in Cancer. Do you have any thoughts on it?

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posted January 23, 2016 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I have the same thing, cMoon in Cap and dMoon in Cancer. Do you have any thoughts on it?

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posted January 23, 2016 01:43 PM            

Sun, r7 (i) in 6th,
conjuncts Mars/Saturn
conjunct Venus/Saturn 0°19
(I have Sun=Mars/Saturn natally though and Venus=Sun/Saturn, so I guess it makes sense for me)

- in fact I think it might not be that disastrous in a chart dealing with physical manifestation of something, if that is what it`s about, Davison I mean -

I could always work as his maid or nanny.

Moon, r7 in 7th,
conjunct Sun/Saturn 0°10
- that is a reminder of HIS chart as he has Saturn=Sun/Moon natally, and Sun and Moon square Saturn -

Mercury, r5, 6, 8 in 5th,
square Moon/Uranus 0°04
conjunct Moon/Mars

Venus, r4, 9 and NN in 3rd
opposite Neptune/PLuto 1°07
"we are supernatural" lol

square Mercury/Pluto 1°08
"and we are stubborn as can be"

Mars, r3rd and SN, in 3rd
square Venus/Uranus 0°29
"and possibly we are nitro-glytzerin as well "

Jupiter, r11 and 12 in 5th,
conjunct Moon/Venus
opposite ASC/MC
square Saturn/Node

Saturn, r1 in 7th (i)
square Neptune/Pluto
conjunct Mercury/Pluto
square Uranus/MC 0°22
opposite Mars/MC 0°20
conjunct Jupiter/Pluto 0°24

Neptune, r2nd in 11th,
square MOon/Uranus 0°01
"and strange things happen when were around each other"

opposite Moon/Mars

ASC
square SAturn/Neptune 0°23
"either drowning in tears and grief, or dissolving outdated structures"

opposite Mercury/Saturn 0°24

Interesting how that Mercury-Neptune aspect is tied to Saturn through the ASC (which is in Capricorn). it does not look all that dreamy anymore.
And at the same time it is also tied to Venus trhough Pluto (well, d`Oh, I think there is even a Yod, there, if we are a little generous on the orbs).

MC
conjunct Neptune/Node
square Mercury/Node
square Sun/Pluto
square Jupiter/Node

posted January 23, 2016 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
In my case the Suns are exacty conjunct.
Anyway, I had the manifestation of these placements in mind. Do you see that Cancer Moon in your connection? How does it blend with its opposite?

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Not sure signplacements matter that much to be honest.

posted January 23, 2016 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Would love to hear your personal reflections (with chart examples if you wish) on the differences in manifestation between the two. What have you observed which is in keeping with house placements and different aspects, etc?

I just spent the morning going over the Davison relationship charts of many of my past relationships/current friendships and had some very interesting revelations. They were very descriptive.

I'll be back to post soon, my daughter just woke up. Hope everybody is having a nice weekend.

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Oh what a lovely subject, I actually try to find answers myself regarding this comparison!
I really am not sure how to interpret it though. What stands out to me is that the composite Asc/Dsc axis is reversed in Davison, as well as the IC/MC axis, too. I dont really know what that means, if anything :-/
As for the house placements, I guess perhaps the Davison is more accurate, as the stellium with Sun, Venus, Mercury, Mars and Chiron falls in the 8th house, which is the house of sex, among other things and this relationship never turned to an actual relationship, so maybe there is a point, there. Perhaps, I give a rather superficial interpretation of the 8th house, as I am biased, of course.
On the other hand, the composite Sun-Mercury conjunction in the 1st house is not totally inexplicable, as the "relationship" uplifted each one's egos, for sure.
The common theme between the 2 composites is definitely the Saturn-sun inconjunction, which I believe is the reason maybe for the instability? I would definitely love to hear others' opinions, of course.
Oh, I dont know, that Mars/Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th, I thought that would mean something for the long run, maybe thats why I started to think perhaps the Davison is more accurate..
The other thing I actually noticed is that in Davison there is a yod, with the 8th house stellium in the apex, jupiter/saturn one leg, uranus the other leg. Not to mention that we both have yods natally, so I guess it means something? I am not really sure of how to interpret it, there arent much info about composite yods :-(
So, many thanks yungang protto for bringing up that subject, I am really looking forward for the discussion of the comparison!!!

COMPOSITE

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/composite%20simple_zps8 njxdj8h.gif[/IMG]

DAVISON

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/davison%20simple_zpsngh5j 2qh.gif[/IMG]

posted January 23, 2016 02:34 PM            

Btw, does this mirroring have any significance?

Sun
c 4.19 Aqua in the 7th
d 4.21 Aqua in the 7th

Venus
c 5.31 Aqua in the 7th
d 5.33 Aqua in the 7th

MC
c 4.43. Aries
d 5.22 Aries

Mercury
c 0 Aqua
d 29 Cap
(well, almost there)

Juno and Saturn
c 2 Sag in the 5th
d 5 and 7 Sag in the 5th

cDSC conjunct ASC ruler and Mercury
dDSC conjunct ASC ruler and Mercury

posted January 23, 2016 03:16 PM            

The thing that stands out most for me there is the relative intensity of the aspects to Sun and Moon in the midpoint composite as compared with the Davison. This is exemplifying really clearly a relationship which is of great spiritual or mental import, to both parties, but it doesn't manifest as directly impactful in day to day life, on a mundane level, as evidenced by the dearth of aspects to Sun and Moon in the Davison.

The exception of course is the moon square the nodes in the Davison, a testament I think to Ceri's crucial role in the destiny of the relationship..

I am of the tentative opinion that in many cases the Sun and Moon do indeed represent the masculine identifying and feminine partner in relationships between two individuals who identify either way on that binary spectrum. So we can look to the Sun and Moon to see how each partner is affected.

posted January 23, 2016 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Oh what a lovely subject, I actually try to find answers myself regarding this comparison!
I really am not sure how to interpret it though. What stands out to me is that the composite Asc/Dsc axis is reversed in Davison, as well as the IC/MC axis, too. I dont really know what that means, if anything :-/

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I'm not sure either. I think it's also very common to see this, and I'm not entirely sure why. My consulting astrologer told me something about it but i forget! Erk. Sorry!

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As for the house placements, I guess perhaps the Davison is more accurate, as the stellium with Sun, Venus, Mercury, Mars and Chiron falls in the 8th house, which is the house of sex, among other things and this relationship never turned to an actual relationship, so maybe there is a point, there. Perhaps, I give a rather superficial interpretation of the 8th house, as I am biased, of course.

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That's an interesting read of it though. I do see it as a very deep house but I can see how you might interpret a stellium there as indicating a primarily sexual relationship, or one whose focus included that kind of intimacy and deep sharing which occurs when we join bodies with another person... (am reading between the lines here). As they say--you are your own best astrologer. Your reading is likely very accurate.

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On the other hand, the composite Sun-Mercury conjunction in the 1st house is not totally inexplicable, as the "relationship" uplifted each one's egos, for sure.
The common theme between the 2 composites is definitely the Saturn-sun inconjunction, which I believe is the reason maybe for the instability? I would definitely love to hear others' opinions, of course.

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1st house Sun-Mercury conjunction being an ego boost, yes I'd think so.
As for the Sun-Saturn inconjunction... could be, you know...

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Oh, I dont know, that Mars/Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th, I thought that would mean something for the long run, maybe thats why I started to think perhaps the Davison is more accurate..
The other thing I actually noticed is that in Davison there is a yod, with the 8th house stellium in the apex, jupiter/saturn one leg, uranus the other leg. Not to mention that we both have yods natally, so I guess it means something? I am not really sure of how to interpret it, there arent much info about composite yods :-(
So, many thanks yungang protto for bringing up that subject, I am really looking forward for the discussion of the comparison!!!

COMPOSITE

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/composite%20simple_zps8 njxdj8h.gif[/IMG]

DAVISON

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/davison%20simple_zpsngh5j 2qh.gif[/IMG]

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posted January 23, 2016 03:58 PM            

Davison Sun is semisquare Venus (0°41) and semisquare Saturn (1°19), hence the resulting midpoint picture of Sun= Venus/Saturn.

D-Moon quintiles Mars (0°37) and biquintiles Neptune (0°23) and Mars biquintiles Neptune (1°00) with the accompanying midpoint picture of Neptune = Moon/Mars.

I find it interesting that there are two golden Yods (quintile Yods), in each chart.

In composite it is

Jupiter in 5th quintile Saturn in 7th, both biquintile Venus in 12th.

in DAvison it is:

Moon in 7th quintile Mars in 3rd, biquintile Neptune in 11th

In Davison the golden Yod even is a boomerang Yod, as Neptune, the Apex planet, is exactly opposite Mercury and true Lilith in 5th house, and opposing Neptune with 3 degree orb.

AS much as Moon LOOKS unaspected, this is such a vibrant harmonic picture composed of Moon-Mars-Neptune-Mercury-true-Lilith (and a little bit of Jupiter as well), it`s not advisable to ignore it I guess.

Oh and additionally Moon is parallel Saturn (0°47) and IC (0°36)

Sun is widely parallel Jupiter (1°04) and DESC (0°41)

I just find it strangely fitting that the GEmini-Sun is parallel Jupiter, and the Cancer-Moon parallel Saturn.

"I am of the tentative opinion that in many cases the Sun and Moon do indeed represent the masculine identifying and feminine partner in relationships between two individuals who identify either way on that binary spectrum. So we can look to the Sun and Moon to see how each partner is affected."
Yes, I start believing that, too. Though I see the planets as having more than one function. Also I tend to think that whoever has a personal planet conjunct composite Sun or Moon might embody that quality, too. can get a little muddled though.
But I do certainly see myself identified in the more reversed, introverted (well until you look a little closer that is ) expression as seems to be evident in the Cappy-Moon and Venus in composite as well as the Cancer-Moon in Davison and also the Taurus-Venus (btw our first meeting chart has Taurus-VEnus and Cappy Moon, and Sag-Sun. LOL)

I certainly see HIM very much in the Sag-Sun in composite, but to be honest I think the Mercury-Jupiter-combo in 5th house in Davison would fit him sooo well, as a performer, too. Of course it also is highly indicative of how we interact, if we decide to interact. lol

"It's so interesting Ceri that your Isis-Osiris-Vertex (!!!!) conjunction is in the Davison though,"
Yes, always thought that was interesting and baffling, too.
In Davison the Isis-Osiris-falls onto the Vertex.
in composite we have Psyche on the Antivertex on 24 Aquarius.
And when we met pr composite Venus was on 24/ 25 Aquarius. lol
With Tr Neptune on 24 Aqua and Tr Chiron-NN on 21 Aqua (also on our composite Osiris).

But let me tell you, I am so relieved that Tr Neptune finally leaves pr composite Venus be.

posted January 23, 2016 04:02 PM            

"Also I tend to think that whoever has a personal planet conjunct composite Sun or Moon might embody that quality, too. can get a little muddled though."

posted January 23, 2016 04:06 PM            

So I think if we take gender roles we would be overwhelmed with each other. after all they are closely conjunct. And quite frankly I would keep the upper hand. after all it is happening in the sign ruled by Venus.

The T-square with Uranus-Saturn always baffled me. it is so much of stop-and-go. LOL
But it also makes sense to me you know, especially if the 7th house might represent other people, too, or external influences. electric energy generated between the two of us (Uranus opposing Venus-Mars), but at the same time blockages/ obstacles from external sources being a serious block.
Or even the Uranus could mean something like some shocking events hitting us. Whatever it means though, it seems that there will be a strong push-and-pull-thing going on.
I always wonder though how the Venus-Mars-conjunction will differ from if it had been in composite.

Anyway I found it interesting that something similiar came up with "Lancelot", but this time in composite instead of Davison, and more inclined to Mercury than Mars.

in the composite with Lancelot we find:

Mars 3 Aqua
Mercury 10 Aqua
Venus 10 Aqua

Saturn 12 Leo

posted January 23, 2016 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
"But let me tell you, I am so relieved that Tr Neptune finally leaves pr composite Venus be.  "

Arrgh tell me about it. t Neptune is separating from an exact square to our midpoint composite Juno right now and it was/is impooossible to figure out what's going on...

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Yes, exactly how I felt about it!

I mean the dreaminess, and magical fairy dust is nice and cute and sweet for a time, but eventually it would be even nicer to see someone without the veil of pink coloured dust and hearing them speak without the accompanying resounding of violins.
it gets really annoying after a while.

posted January 23, 2016 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Heehee i figured you would have found that in fact there are many ways in which Sun and Moon are participating! I'm still learning not to take things at face value! And of course those semi-squares do tend to create compelling midpoint pictures!

Sun parallel Jupiter and Desc is important! Sun/Desc connections are so nice..

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Yes, but not because I was really searching for it and grasping for straws. I really do think of the 8th harmonic and 5th harmonic aspects as very significant, and stronger than most of the other minor aspect due to their dynamic and / or zany creative nature.

posted January 23, 2016 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, exactly how I felt about it!

I mean the dreaminess, and magical fairy dust is nice and cute and sweet for a time, but eventually it would be even nicer to see someone without the veil of pink coloured dust and hearing them speak without the accompanying resounding of violins.
it gets really annoying after a while.

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^^^^^ lollll yessss... oh i don't want it to stop though not yet!! So dreamy... and really... try to stop these musicians sounding melodious. Can't! My friend here (can I call him Taurus-pretending-to-be-Aries-guy, Taurus for short? Even though he's also mega Gem/Sag.. hm will figure it out).. is very Neptunian himself though so i don't think there's any great danger of the veil stopping it's ridiculously hypnotizing fluttering...

posted January 23, 2016 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, but not because I was really searching for it and grasping for straws. I really do think of the 8th harmonic and 5th harmonic aspects as very significant, and stronger than most of the other minor aspect due to their dynamic and / or zany creative nature.

And yes. Sun-DESC is nice. Though I also like Moon-IC, it is kind of a symbolical fit.

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It is good to hear you say this, because I'm still really just getting my feet wet understanding 8th and 5th in chart comparisons even though I am of your mind.

And indeed no not grasping at straws--just thorough and insightful!

posted January 23, 2016 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
this is a good example of why I don't use davison

the schnittpunktmethode gives mars and amore conjunct the node with the moon square to the node. this is an aspect of intensity love of body and soul.this is not a volatile aspect rather it leans toward commitment by the nature of the strong love and psychic cohesion.

the davison chart shows mars opposed to Uranus and square to amore with close by Saturn square to juno.
this is a totally different emotional/sexual connection. this is a classic one night stand as the mars/venus conjunction is opposed to Uranus .this opposition never commits and the only interest is in the sexual aspect.
the moon is still square the node but that is to be expected because the sun,moon and node will be very similar in both types charts because of their direct motion( I realize the node goes retrograde but even with that the nodes,true and mean can not be more that 3 degrees different)

from my viewpoint these two charts could not be referring to the same people.
todd

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Oh but they are!