posted February 05, 2016 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You're sweet

Waiting for you to post charts....

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Oh Faith, its not about me being sweet, it's the truth! I have learned so much through your posts these 3 months, I really think I am officially considered a nerd in astrology! :-) Not even when I did my master's degree didn't I study so much!!! haha! :P
I waited for a "player" in order to post the charts!! :P
So, I ll try to make a "prediction" based on progressive composite and composite charts and I would really want to find out if I am doing it right!

The composite

posted February 05, 2016 07:21 PM            

I read your analysis above, it sorta makes sense to me, but it doesn't seem to be represented by any charts, so I can't really comment any further.

posted February 05, 2016 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
K, I'm listening

I read your analysis above, it sorta makes sense to me, but it doesn't seem to be represented by any charts, so I can't really comment any further.

I thought you would post a chart, comment on it, and others would comment on your comments.

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I tried to say that the differences between the progressed charts show the evolution of the relationship, so as a result, the last chart which is a progressed in the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future. I was talking specifically about the moon opposition chiron, which remains that way. But as you can see in the last chart the moon conjuncts the Dsc exactly. And I was wondering if this conjunction points to a different outcome comparing to what I "predicted". But perhaps I messed up and dont know how to interpret it at all. I was wondering if the observations that I made about the progressed charts make sense.
Thank you again and sorry for the mix-up :-/

P.S. What do you mean by "it doesn't seem to be represented by any charts"? May I ask you to explain a bit further? Have I interpreted it all wrong? Or are you talking about the charts that I didnt post but described? In that case, the evolution in-between is this

in the 10th June Chart the Moon - Venus trine "vanishes" and a square between Moon and NN appears.

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/progressed%20 compo%2010%2006_zpstqi61juf.gif[/IMG]

In the 1st November chart, the Moon - Chiron opposition appears for the first time, but its still a bit wide. The aspects of the luminaries to the node still exist.

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/progressed%20 compo%2001%2011_zps89p1rykx.gif[/IMG]

But, roughly a month and a half later, the moon-node square disappears and a quinqunx between sun and moon appears. (The sun-node sextile has already vanished approximately on the 11th of November, if I recall it right.)

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/progressed%20 compo%2025%2012_zpsefyri9yc.gif[/IMG]

This quinqunx is still visible for one month, which is actually the time where communication started to re-establish again. These are not random dates, these are "important" dates, in terms of the relationship, of course.

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/progressed%20 compo%2025%2001_zps5h4fkvq7.gif[/IMG]

posted February 05, 2016 07:50 PM            

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What do you mean by "it doesn't seem to be represented by any charts"? May I ask you to explain a bit further? Have I interpreted it all wrong?

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You said: "In particular, when the relationship started to go south, firstly the sun - NN sextile disappeared and a few days after the Moon - NN square disappeared."

I thought there would be a chart.

You said: "Then during Christmas, a quinqunx between Sun-Moon appears, actually during the period that we communicated after a period of silence)"

No chart for Christmas.

That's all I meant...no charts to match the story. But now you explained, so I understand:

"I tried to say that the differences between the progressed charts show the evolution of the relationship, so as a result, the last chart which is a progressed in the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future."

K, now I see what you want me to look for.

posted February 05, 2016 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You posted:
1) Pr comp for day you met
2) Pr comp for today
3) Pr comp for future

You said: "In particular, [b]when the relationship started to go south, firstly the sun - NN sextile disappeared and a few days after the Moon - NN square disappeared."

I thought there would be a chart.

You said: "Then during Christmas, a quinqunx between Sun-Moon appears, actually during the period that we communicated after a period of silence)"

No chart for Christmas.

That's all I meant...no charts to match the story. But now you explained, so I understand:

"I tried to say that the differences between the progressed charts show the evolution of the relationship, so as a result, the last chart which is a progressed in the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future."

K, now I see what you want me to look for.

Be back soon.[/B]

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posted February 05, 2016 08:14 PM            

Predictive astrology is actually over my head. I can see why you think the chart looks negative, relative to the moon-Chiron opposition...but be aware that the future chart's Mercury-Neptune in the 8H opposing Venus could point to difficulties integrating spiritual knowledge with happy togetherness (Venus).

So, even worrying about it too much using astrology could be a manifestation of that 8H Mercury-Neptune challenging Venus.

"But as you can see in the last chart the moon conjuncts the Dsc exactly. And I was wondering if this conjunction points to a different outcome comparing to what I 'predicted'"

Maybe someone else is better with predictions. To my amateur eye, it could go either way. I know I've seen your natal charts before but have forgotten them, but I wonder if that DSC-moon-Lilith aspects anything positive in his chart? Like his Venus or Jupiter? And how does it aspect your chart?

You seem to have mixed feelings about it, but I don't really know, just the fact that you told him to break up, but have been very interested in him regardless, reflects a push-pull dynamic.

I'm curious about how the regular composite is being triggered...Mars in Scorpio forms a t-square with the NN-Moon and the sun stellium in Taurus. Then, the sun in Aquarius took a turn, converting the sun-moon square into a t-square.

But the outer planets aren't doing much, transit-wise, with either the regular composite or pr composite...sometimes that can lead to a feeling of blankness, lack of "theme," lack of oomph if you will. As the pr comp moon comes into a sextile with Pluto, that may give some more gravity and sense of direction, but I'm not sure if a benign sextile can do that. Usually, the hard aspects are better for that.

posted February 05, 2016 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Yes, you were right, I didnt post these charts in between because then there would be a looot of charts. But I fixed it, I posted them, too. There are 3 more charts, for the 1st of November, the 25th of December and the 25th of January.
Lots of thanks for your help!!!

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Sorry I didn't mean to ASK for the charts!

posted February 05, 2016 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future"

Predictive astrology is actually over my head. I can see why you think the chart looks negative, relative to the moon-Chiron opposition...but be aware that the future chart's Mercury-Neptune in the 8H opposing Venus could point to difficulties integrating spiritual knowledge with happy togetherness (Venus).

So, even worrying about it too much using astrology could be a manifestation of that 8H Mercury-Neptune challenging Venus.

"But as you can see in the last chart the moon conjuncts the Dsc exactly. And I was wondering if this conjunction points to a different outcome comparing to what I 'predicted'"

Maybe someone else is better with predictions. To my amateur eye, it could go either way. I know I've seen your natal charts before but have forgotten them, but I wonder if that DSC-moon-Lilith aspects anything positive in his chart? Like his Venus or Jupiter? And how does it aspect your chart?

You seem to have mixed feelings about it, but I don't really know, just the fact that you told him to break up, but have been very interested in him regardless, reflects a push-pull dynamic.

I'm curious about how the regular composite is being triggered...Mars in Scorpio forms a t-square with the NN-Moon and the sun stellium in Taurus. Then, the sun in Aquarius took a turn, converting the sun-moon square into a t-square.

But the outer planets aren't doing much, transit-wise, with either the regular composite or pr composite...sometimes that can lead to a feeling of blankness, lack of "theme," lack of oomph if you will. As the pr comp moon comes into a sextile with Pluto, that may give some more gravity and sense of direction, but I'm not sure if a benign sextile can do that. Usually, the hard aspects are better for that.

Hmmm

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posted February 05, 2016 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future"

Predictive astrology is actually over my head. I can see why you think the chart looks negative, relative to the moon-Chiron opposition...but be aware that the future chart's Mercury-Neptune in the 8H opposing Venus could point to difficulties integrating spiritual knowledge with happy togetherness (Venus).

So, even worrying about it too much using astrology could be a manifestation of that 8H Mercury-Neptune challenging Venus.

"But as you can see in the last chart the moon conjuncts the Dsc exactly. And I was wondering if this conjunction points to a different outcome comparing to what I 'predicted'"

Maybe someone else is better with predictions. To my amateur eye, it could go either way. I know I've seen your natal charts before but have forgotten them, but I wonder if that DSC-moon-Lilith aspects anything positive in his chart? Like his Venus or Jupiter? And how does it aspect your chart?

You seem to have mixed feelings about it, but I don't really know, just the fact that you told him to break up, but have been very interested in him regardless, reflects a push-pull dynamic.

I'm curious about how the regular composite is being triggered...Mars in Scorpio forms a t-square with the NN-Moon and the sun stellium in Taurus. Then, the sun in Aquarius took a turn, converting the sun-moon square into a t-square.

But the outer planets aren't doing much, transit-wise, with either the regular composite or pr composite...sometimes that can lead to a feeling of blankness, lack of "theme," lack of oomph if you will. As the pr comp moon comes into a sextile with Pluto, that may give some more gravity and sense of direction, but I'm not sure if a benign sextile can do that. Usually, the hard aspects are better for that.

Hmmm

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As to that push-pull dynamic, although it was hidden before, yes, definetely it's there. But I have been wondering, learning so many things for astrology ans I still can not pin down which exact aspect causes this feeling.
Is it the vertex thing alone or a combination of a more than one aspects??? I cant really say after all this time.. Did you see anything in the composite that would explain it?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Faith:
[B] Sorry I didn't mean to ASK for the charts!

posted February 05, 2016 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"the future chart is perhaps showing that there is no positive outcome in the direct future"

Predictive astrology is actually over my head. I can see why you think the chart looks negative, relative to the moon-Chiron opposition...but be aware that the future chart's Mercury-Neptune in the 8H opposing Venus could point to difficulties integrating spiritual knowledge with happy togetherness (Venus).

So, even worrying about it too much using astrology could be a manifestation of that 8H Mercury-Neptune challenging Venus.

"But as you can see in the last chart the moon conjuncts the Dsc exactly. And I was wondering if this conjunction points to a different outcome comparing to what I 'predicted'"

Maybe someone else is better with predictions. To my amateur eye, it could go either way. I know I've seen your natal charts before but have forgotten them, but I wonder if that DSC-moon-Lilith aspects anything positive in his chart? Like his Venus or Jupiter? And how does it aspect your chart?

You seem to have mixed feelings about it, but I don't really know, just the fact that you told him to break up, but have been very interested in him regardless, reflects a push-pull dynamic.

I'm curious about how the regular composite is being triggered...Mars in Scorpio forms a t-square with the NN-Moon and the sun stellium in Taurus. Then, the sun in Aquarius took a turn, converting the sun-moon square into a t-square.

But the outer planets aren't doing much, transit-wise, with either the regular composite or pr composite...sometimes that can lead to a feeling of blankness, lack of "theme," lack of oomph if you will. As the pr comp moon comes into a sextile with Pluto, that may give some more gravity and sense of direction, but I'm not sure if a benign sextile can do that. Usually, the hard aspects are better for that.

Hmmm

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posted February 05, 2016 09:17 PM            

p.s. the monologue of an over-enthusiastic overwhelmed newbie...

posted February 05, 2016 09:48 PM            

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Unbeliavable, transits are really amazing!!!

p.s. the monologue of an over-enthusiastic overwhelmed newbie...

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Yesssss your initiation into Real Astrology is going well...I can tell because you are bugged out...that's very good. You're learning, indeed.

posted February 06, 2016 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
So, I thought that I should ask for an opinion for my interpretation. Is this how should we use progressed composites? Do they work for such short-term predictions? Which is the right way to handle them?

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I'm sorry that I don't feel competent to give you a conclusive answer here. I don't really have a method. But I do think they carry a lot of weight.

For instance, when I got together with my husband, our pr composite had a 4H stellium of NN, Neptune, Mercury, Sun and Venus. In the regular composite, we only have NN-Mercury-Neptune there. I do believe that the weight of that larger stellium was like a magnet in those early days.

The transits affect the composite and pr composite at that time about the same way, since we already had a lot going on in Scorpio, this was just MORE in Scorpio (and yes, our first date was right when the sun and Venus were entering Scorpio!) Also, our pr comp IC was conjunct my natal Uranus (our synastry is all about Uranus.)

Transiting Uranus was hitting my progressed chart and his, AND both our natal charts. It all overlapped: natal, progressed & transits.

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
So, as you said, nothing triggers the natal composite transit-wise. I also came to the conclusion that the transits are more accurate when implied to the natal composite rather than to the progressed composite. Is that something given? Have you noticed this too or am I wrong?
Many many thanks again!

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Because I haven't studied the charts extensively enough, I can't really say. I think when you look at all the charts, themes pop out, and sometimes you can see how they will play out into the future, but many times, there are surprises that only make sense in retrospect (at least, for me.) Especially when you consider Uranus as a wild card trigger. Like, you two will have tr Mars conjunct pr comp Uranus in the 7H soon.

Tr Mars hitting your pr comp moon-DSC hasn't brought a reunion, but perhaps tr Mars on your Uranus, or opposing your pr comp sun, will ignite something.

Pr comp Gemini sun trine early Libra stellium looks great, if only an outer, slow-moving planet was in early Aqua to complete a grand air trine. Maybe tr Venus and then tr Mars will help?

posted February 06, 2016 11:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
K, time to get back to business

Because I haven't studied the charts extensively enough, I can't really say. I think when you look at all the charts, themes pop out, and sometimes you can see how they will play out into the future, but many times, there are surprises that only make sense in retrospect (at least, for me.) Especially when you consider Uranus as a wild card trigger. Like, you two will have tr Mars conjunct pr comp Uranus in the 7H soon.

Tr Mars hitting your pr comp moon-DSC hasn't brought a reunion, but perhaps tr Mars on your Uranus, or opposing your pr comp sun, will ignite something.

Pr comp Gemini sun trine early Libra stellium looks great, if only an outer, slow-moving planet was in early Aqua to complete a grand air trine. Maybe tr Venus and then tr Mars will help?

For now tr Saturn is opposing the pr comp sun-Venus midpoint in the 1H, so there will be an obvious effect, because it's the 1H.

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posted February 06, 2016 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
As for the Mars in Scorpio and sun in Aquarius forming a square with the moon-node in the natal composite, do you mean transitting Mars and Sun? Like these days?

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Yup that is what I meant.

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Faith, you opened my eyes, I had looked in transits in specific days, but my blurred eyes didn't see the t-square there!! Its so unbelievable again, I am very thrilled by this! The day he told me he loves me -out of the blue and not in person, I haven't seen him in almost three months- tr. Mars (6 11') was forming a square to the Node/moon as you already said! And the day I told him some hard but true things (and havent communicated since), it was the day that the T-square was formed!!!
Specifically, tr. Sun on the composite South Node, squaring exactly composite sun, which agains squares the moon-node! And, in addition, tr. Mars squaring the moon only (not the NN, too wide I think, 5 orbs). Maybe, that' s why I (the Moon) "broke" the t-square and took the other road?
Unbeliavable, transits are really amazing!!!

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Isn't that amazing? Thanks for looking into it and giving feedback.

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
I just saw that this Moon/Dsc/Lilith conjunction formes a square to his natal Mercury (14 21') - (MC/IC 17 54'). Could this mean something?

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posted February 06, 2016 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Only one question left, is my interpretation of the t-square formed by transits accurate? Is this what actually happened a possibility indicated by these transits?

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posted February 06, 2016 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Isn't that amazing? Thanks for looking into it and giving feedback.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mar1982delta:
[b]I just saw that this Moon/Dsc/Lilith conjunction formes a square to his natal Mercury (14 21') - (MC/IC 17 54'). Could this mean something?

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Yes I would consider that, when thinking about what he is saying about the relationship...does he seem to resist the deeper, Scorpionic, rebellious (BML) nature of the connection? Say things that sound irreverent towards it, like his thinking is just too independent for such a heavy pull?[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, if you mean that his behavior sometimes makes me wonder if this heavy pull is only felt by me, you could say that. I am not sure I understood exactly what you mean, english is not my mother language :/

edit: Apparently I wrote my previous post with my last question just before your answer appeared