posted February 17, 2016 03:16 PM            

In synastry you cast a chart of THEIR natal, but with YOUR birthtime, whatever in their changed chart then lands on their angles, you bring out in them, and vice versa.

"Q-Charts give ‘WYSIWYG’ a whole new spin. Whether it is a passing day in your life you are looking at, or a day whose patterns manifest as your lover, your boss or your child, whatever other synastry you share, you can only attach yourself to it at one point - the moment of your own birth-time. That is literally the angle from which you see that person or the day’s events. If there are planets on Meridian or Horizon, the bond will be all the more meaningful; if there are none, then nothing intense is going on - you aren’t bringing out any particular quality in them, or demanding anything specific from them; nothing is expected and nothing projected. Angular planets in Q-charts mean expectations, projections or demands on the part of the ‘Timer’ that invariably elicit a planetary response from the ‘Dater’, bringing out in him or her the very qualities that the ‘Timer’ sees in them. "
http://revpamcrane.weebly.com/08---q-charts.html

Next to planets landing on angles, it might also be interesting to note the midpoints falling onto the angles, and possibly Moon (esp. if Moon changes some degrees).

for my parents it should be probably pretty boring, considering they were both born at 9 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.

Nevertheless, I thought so, but when I actually cast the chart this was interesting:

My Dad brings out in my Mom (her chart with his birthtime)

Venus on IC exact (7 minutes)
(Mars on IC with about 4 degrees)

And in terms of midpoints

DESC conjunct Sun/Jupiter 1°06
IC conjunct Venus = Moon/Node 0°28

ASC= Sun/Jupiter
happy successful union or coming together with others. Cheerfulness. Happiness. Devoting one's life to good objectives or social aspirations.
Enthusiasm, infectious happiness, successful teamwork.
(Sun/Jupiter often also is referred to as husband)

MC= Moon/node
the initiation and cultivation of a soulunion.

Venus= Moon/Node
behaving affectionately towards others. Entering in a love union. Attachment to other people.

And my mom brings out in my Dad:

Ceres on the IC (yes, for an Aqua he is extremely caring and nurturing, especially towards her)

DESC conjunct Venus/Node 0°09
ASC = Venus/Mars 0°21
ASC = Sun/Neptune 0°45
DESC conjunct Jupiter/ Node 1°04
ASC conjunct Mars/Pluto 1°13
ASC = Mars/Jupiter 1°16
ASC = Pluto/Node 1°25

ASC TO MIDPOINT VENUS/NODE
Affectionate nature. A love union. harmonious relationship.

ASC to MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
Showing love easily, with few conditions. Affectionate nature. Revelation of love. Physical union.

ASCENDANT TO MIDPOINT SUN/NEPTUNE
A sensitivity to others. Support of the needy.

ASCENDANT TO MIDPOINT JUPITER/NODE
harmonious relationship. Ability to come into quick contact with others through friendliness and pleasantness.

ASC TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
Showing the hero image; the fighter who dares the impossible. Passionate.

ASC TO MIDPOINT MARS/JUPITER
Success in influencing the environment, being respected as a doer. Engagement,
marriage, birth. Enthusiasm.

ASC TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/NODE
Influence on the public. fated union.

posted February 17, 2016 04:15 PM            

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apart from the angularity, seems he brings out the ruler of 5th house in 12th house in me. LOL
Figures, I guess.
oh and of course makes me have Pluto, as ruler of 8th, in 7th house (well of course he has that natally himself. )

As for what I bring out in him

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posted February 17, 2016 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyone tried them out?

In synastry you cast a chart of THEIR natal, but with YOUR birthtime, whatever in their changed chart then lands on their angles, you bring out in them, and vice versa.

"Q-Charts give ‘WYSIWYG’ a whole new spin. Whether it is a passing day in your life you are looking at, or a day whose patterns manifest as your lover, your boss or your child, whatever other synastry you share, you can only attach yourself to it at one point - the moment of your own birth-time. That is literally the angle from which you see that person or the day’s events. If there are planets on Meridian or Horizon, the bond will be all the more meaningful; if there are none, then nothing intense is going on - you aren’t bringing out any particular quality in them, or demanding anything specific from them; nothing is expected and nothing projected. Angular planets in Q-charts mean expectations, projections or demands on the part of the ‘Timer’ that invariably elicit a planetary response from the ‘Dater’, bringing out in him or her the very qualities that the ‘Timer’ sees in them. "
http://revpamcrane.weebly.com/08---q-charts.html

Next to planets landing on angles, it might also be interesting to note the midpoints falling onto the angles, and possibly Moon (esp. if Moon changes some degrees).

for my parents it should be probably pretty boring, considering they were both born at 9 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.

Nevertheless, I thought so, but when I actually cast the chart this was interesting:

My Dad brings out in my Mom (her chart with his birthtime)

Venus on IC exact (7 minutes)
(Mars on IC with about 4 degrees)

And in terms of midpoints

DESC conjunct Sun/Jupiter 1°06
IC conjunct Venus = Moon/Node 0°28

ASC= Sun/Jupiter
happy successful union or coming together with others. Cheerfulness. Happiness. Devoting one's life to good objectives or social aspirations.
Enthusiasm, infectious happiness, successful teamwork.
(Sun/Jupiter often also is referred to as husband)

MC= Moon/node
the initiation and cultivation of a soulunion.

Venus= Moon/Node
behaving affectionately towards others. Entering in a love union. Attachment to other people.

And my mom brings out in my Dad:

Ceres on the IC (yes, for an Aqua he is extremely caring and nurturing, especially towards her)

DESC conjunct Venus/Node 0°09
ASC = Venus/Mars 0°21
ASC = Sun/Neptune 0°45
DESC conjunct Jupiter/ Node 1°04
ASC conjunct Mars/Pluto 1°13
ASC = Mars/Jupiter 1°16
ASC = Pluto/Node 1°25

ASC TO MIDPOINT VENUS/NODE
Affectionate nature. A love union. harmonious relationship.

ASC to MIDPOINT VENUS/MARS
Showing love easily, with few conditions. Affectionate nature. Revelation of love. Physical union.

ASCENDANT TO MIDPOINT SUN/NEPTUNE
A sensitivity to others. Support of the needy.

ASCENDANT TO MIDPOINT JUPITER/NODE
harmonious relationship. Ability to come into quick contact with others through friendliness and pleasantness.

ASC TO MIDPOINT MARS/PLUTO
Showing the hero image; the fighter who dares the impossible. Passionate.

ASC TO MIDPOINT MARS/JUPITER
Success in influencing the environment, being respected as a doer. Engagement,
marriage, birth. Enthusiasm.

ASC TO MIDPOINT PLUTO/NODE
Influence on the public. fated union.

It fits them very well actually.

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Yayyy, I love experiments in astrology, thank you very much Ceridwen for the new information!
I hardly know the basics in astrology, but this is what I really love about it, there are always new things to explore and experiment with!!!
Do we take into consideration the whole chart or only the conjunctions to the angles? I tried and Venus conjunct Dsc, Mars conjunct Ascendant came up, I am really excited!
Ughhh, I sound really silly, but I am really enthusiastic about things I learn and love! What can I say?!

p.s. What orb do you consider preferable? 2-3 maybe?

posted February 17, 2016 11:33 PM            

We have a DW Saturn/Asc conj in our SYNASTRY Q-charts.

GREAT!!!

posted February 18, 2016 09:25 AM            

However, it is actually the same technique as Michael Roscher, a German astrologer who founded the "transpersonal school of astrology", coined or at least used.
He made a quotidian chart, taking some date and using the birthtime of the individual, and this quotidian chart is said to reflect the individual`s experiences/ themes/ structure of the day (it has to be correlated back to the natal chart though, and he did not limit his interpretations to the angles alone, but put a lot of emphasis on the houserulerships in general).
I think though he picked up the technique from older astrologers (I think Klöckner used it as well).

Is it a valid technique? WEll as a technique, certainly.
The question is: does our individual birthtime have anything to do with how or what we experience at any given day?
*shrugs* No idea. Maybe. Maybe not.
For now I see it more as a bit of an idea to toy around with, but wouldn`t include it in my basic astro-kit.

In my case of synastry it`s not of that much important anyways, as each of us has planets on the angles individually AND synastrically, so it comes up again in these Q charts.

Like

He has Sun-Moon conjunct MC
Saturn conjunct DESC

I have Pluto conjunct MC
Mars-Neptune-NN conjunct ASC

snyastrically

my Sun-Mercury conjunct his MC
his Mercury conjunct my ASC
his Ceres conjunct my IC

so these are simply repeated within the Q-charts, jsut seemingly apparing in the individual chart, like

in his Q chart with my bt his Mercury conjuncts ASC (because HIS Mercury conjuncts MY ASC synastrically).
and in my Q chart with his bt my Sun-Mercury conjuncts MC (because my Sun-MErcury is on his MC synastrically) and Ceres lands on IC (as his Ceres conjuncts my IC).

So that is simply it.

I doubt though that just because you don`t have the angular overlays in this that you don`t have an intense link.
Angular links ARE not to underestimated and pull aspects into active manifestation, that is right, but I prefer the normal synastry and composites, instead of putting my birthtime simply onto another`s chart. Really not sure what to think of it.

But having said that apparently the technique has been used before by several astrologers (for prognostical reasons) and it seems to have delivered good results. I haven`t worked with it myself for quite some time: I did some years ago though. (and yes back then it DID work quiet well if I remember it rightly)

posted February 18, 2016 10:11 AM            

my best friend and her husband:

in her Q-chart
Mercury on the ASC
Moon on the DESC

for another friend and her hubby

in her Q-chart
Sun on DESC
Lilith on IC

in hius Q-chart
Node-Neptune on his ASC
Sun-Uranus on his MC

my brother and his girlfriend

his Q-chart
Sun conjunct ASC (0°01!)

her Q-chart
Pluto conjunct DESC
and sign change from Aries to Taurus (I mention that cause it is apparent how much calmer and more patient she has become in the time with him)

Jupiter conjunct MC
(fitting to his MOon-Jupiter-(Uranus)-conjunction natally)

in another couple

her Q-chart
Uranus on DESC
Sun on MC (and Moon widely conjunct MC as well)

Yeah definitely makes a lot of sense.

My best friend and me

My Q-chart
Jupiter-Juno on DESC
Neptune-NN on IC

Her Q-chart
Sun conjunct ASC
Neptune on IC widely

Yes, those definitely are giving very accurate snapshots (though of course not more than snapshots).

posted February 19, 2016 12:45 AM            

This is what he brings out in me

This is what I bring out in him

posted February 19, 2016 08:25 AM            

so I'm going to research these Q-charts cause I find it interesting, and so we get more insight in how to interpret it all.

I will do ONE case a day.

CASE 1)

Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander

Jodi Arias made headlines when she was charged with murdering her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander in 2008.

She brings out in him;

- His Mars/Lilith(h21) (< exact conjunction) on his new ASC <1,5 (this falls on HER Moon <2/3)

^ saying a lot! (yea they have a lil/Mars-Moon Conj already in their syna)

- His Saturn on his new IC 0'43 (conjunct HER SN 1,5)

- His Chiron conjunct new anti-vertex (2)

- His Moon conjunct new POF <1
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He brings out in her;

- her Mars conj her new vertex by 1,5 and those opposite new ASC/Eastpoint <2

posted February 19, 2016 11:11 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
Just to make sure I understood correctly:

I cast a natal chart with his birthdate and my birthtime and then compare with my natal chart and check the synastry as usual, right?

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posted February 19, 2016 11:44 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No you only cast your natal chart with his birthtime and see what lands on the angles, Vertex, possibly Moon, and I would consider midpoints, too.

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posted February 19, 2016 12:18 PM            

1) His Moon shifted from Capricorn to Sagittarius and is in a tighter conjunction with Uranus-Neptune (2°).
Before, the conjunction was over 6° wide.
In our synastry we also have my Uranus & Neptune conjunct his Moon (3° & 1°)

We are of different cultures and I do introduce him to a lot of new experiences, as well as higher spiritual knowledge, so it makes sense!

The Moon-Neptune could mean that I romance/enchant him?

2) His MC conjunct Ceres 3°

I nurture his career, reputation and ambitions? Yeah I can see that.

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What he brings it in me:

1) IC conjunct Mars 2°
We also share this as a DW in our synastry and it shows up in the composite.