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Chiemi
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posted January 30, 2013 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have experience with this aspect? Was it a painful experience? I just noticed that I have this in a double whammy with someone (both conjunctions at 0'05 and 4'16) and I'm just curious about this aspect specifically

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posted January 31, 2013 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 31, 2013 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have with someone my NN conjunct his Chiron and my Chiron conjunct his SN. Will write later.

Please share first what you have experienced with this DW.

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posted January 31, 2013 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjj:
I have with someone my NN conjunct his Chiron and my Chiron conjunct his SN. Will write later.

Please share first what you have experienced with this DW.


I've just meet this person about a week ago so I don't really have any experience to share :l my venus also conjuncts his NN by less than 1 degree. I don't know if anything will progress though since his cousin (whose sun is conjunct my NN by a little over 2 degrees) is sort of a douche and he makes stereotypical remarks about black people (I'm black but apparently to him he still finds it ok to say around me because "I'm cool/different") even though it's bluntly clear he finds me attractive because he's always trying to flirt, be in my presence, or be in my line of vision so I can look at him :eyeroll: . But anyways, based on how his cousin and sister act I'm not sure if he'd be the type to let them influence him or not. He seems really nice and mellow and more open than his cousin though.

I hope I made sense in my rambling lol

Edit: just looked at the synastry between him and his cousin and they also have a NN/Chiron conjunction Double Whammy BOTH less than 1 degree (0'14 & 0'17) wow..

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posted January 31, 2013 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiemi,

I don't have much experience either. Im in love with this person, but he is married. He has feelings for me too, but it is complicated... just going with the flow.

I feel that he has enormous ability to bring me towards my life goals... he has Aqua moon and his Aqua Chiron sits on my NN. He teaches me detachment and universal love etc. On the other hand, I seem to teach him emotional closeness, passion etc, my Aries Chiron sitting on his Aries Venus/SN conjunction.

We feel each other's presence very strongly and have much sentimental tenderness for each other. There is a very special bond.

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posted January 31, 2013 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish there was more info on this aspect :l, heres something from AmiAnn's website:

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In synastry, if the planet of pain, Chiron, in one person, touches the NN of the other person, the relationship will have a pain theme. One may ask, “Should I leave the relationship based on this?” I could not answer that, obviously. In every synastry, there will be hard factors. I will try to explain how I see Chiron conjunct the NN playing out in a long term marriage. Chiron conjunct the NN does NOT mean that every minute of the marriage will be fraught with pain. Chiron is an attractor to people,also. In many synastries, Chrion conjuncts planets between people. This is not, necessarily bad. One shares one’s pain in one’s intimate relationships. However, with Chiron conjunct the NN in synastry, one of the main themes, perhaps THE main theme will BE pain, in my experience. The pain is not a 24/7 event. There are many periods of time which are not painful. There are many shared events which are not painful. However, if one looks at the relationship, as a whole , from a future vantage point,for example, one would describe it as having a theme of pain. That is my my point of view.


and heres a bit from one of the commentors who seems to have a similar NN/Chiron Chiron/SN aspect:

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You are on point with this. My Chiron conj his NN with a 2 degree orb and he is constantly talking about the pain that comes with certain thoughts of me. We started out last year as good family friends. Won’t go into detail on that one, but we’ve migrated from this kinda lighthearted family friend relationship where we get together and only saw eachother in group settings to a business relationship that evolved at the same time as an intimate relationship. The intimacy didn’t continue, because we’ve gotten VERY close extremely fast. Typing this out, it’s just occurred to me that this conjunction is in Aries…so it makes sense. lol Point is that…everything I do or say that is born out of demonstrating a better/more evolved part of me brings him pain.

He’s mature enough to recognize that the pain he actually feels has to do more with his existing wounds than it has to do with me. THESE are the conversations that keep our relationship growing at such a fast rate. The only issue that I have with it is that it’s so ambiguous. Tightly knit with a label of very close friends, but whenever we are around each other or in contact with one another, the behavior is that of a couple. Maybe this tone is there, because we are heterosexual man and woman. Maybe if we were two hetero men or two hetero women, this “couple like” interaction wouldn’t exist. I think that piece of it is also colored by the fact that I’m the much older Pi female…kinda set in my nurturing ways and he is a much younger Cap male asserting his dominance. So we instantly fall into step of the traditional male and female roles. THIS is the dangerous part of it, but as far as the basic Chiron / NN conjunction, I don’t think the danger is present. As moon child said, “It’s growth”. Yes, it is painful…from what he says…or what I hear coming from him…everything about the idea of losing me or me being in pain brings him pain…so I would have to say that your description from an astrological standpoint is correct…as a basis. However, I think that Moonchild is expanding that basic description by talking about the potential growth of such a karmic connection. Karma here meaning that which is meant to be and always was meant to be.

I think it would also be misleading for me not to mention that his Chiron is conjuct my SN in Gemini with a much wider orb which is in sign, not an exact conjunction. Maybe this is where he is able due to his comfort level with me overall to admit that when that pain hits him…that it’s something that has more to do with him than it does with anything that I have done directly or indirectly. This is not something he admits immediately…but it’s like an awareness that hits him within either a few minutes or within 24 hours of the discussion. I only know this, because again…he expresses it with a moon in Gemini…which of course is about talking…constantly talking.

As with all synastry aspects, maturity…demonstrated maturity is what determines how the 2 ppl handle it. I had an easy going, deep felt, trine filled connection with a Scorp who broke and destroyed it because he wasn’t mature enough to appreciate the easiness between us (which in reality RARELY exists between couples) and deal with the deep felt connection at the same time. I don’t care how easy or difficult the synastry….if two people are mature they will be able to weather the difficulties and if immature, won’t be able to appreciate the blessings of it all.

God bless you both and thanks again for the insight.


Heres the link to the article: http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/journal/chiron-conjunct-the-north-node-in-synastry/


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posted January 31, 2013 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our NN/Chiron conjunction is in Libra on both sides

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posted February 01, 2013 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a lot of pain also in our case. From the moment I became attracted to him (he flirted with me a lot, but in a subtle piscean manner, and then I fell for him) he has been suffering. We participated in a trip together because we are involved in the same community and on all the photos he - always so cheerful - cannot give a smile, but has a glum and sad face.

He has started to avoid me, but we still bump into each other sometimes and I understand from his questions that he is still interested, but struggling. My Aries Chiron is conjunct his Aries Venus-SN conjunction.

My suffering is not so acute and more inside, but his is more on display (as a Pisces he cannot hide his feelings). I have tons of Scorpio in my chart and I hide my feelings.

And yes, when we sit next to each other, it feels very couple-like.

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posted February 02, 2013 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Going to bump this up so others can see it, this aspect can't be that rare :l


There is a lot of pain also in our case. From the moment I became attracted to him (he flirted with me a lot, but in a subtle piscean manner, and then I fell for him) he has been suffering. We participated in a trip together because we are involved in the same community and on all the photos he - always so cheerful - cannot give a smile, but has a glum and sad face.

He has started to avoid me, but we still bump into each other sometimes and I understand from his questions that he is still interested, but struggling. My Aries Chiron is conjunct his Aries Venus-SN conjunction.

My suffering is not so acute and more inside, but his is more on display (as a Pisces he cannot hide his feelings). I have tons of Scorpio in my chart and I hide my feelings.

And yes, when we sit next to each other, it feels very couple-like.[/QUOTE]

So Chiron on the lunar nodes indicates pain through growth from what I see so far? Do you think that this aspect is kind of heavy like saturn contacts to a degree or no?

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posted May 26, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have this with someone i know, i'm obsessed..
we also have venus conjunct chiron exact tho

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posted May 27, 2013 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Chiemi and jjj,

I believe I channel but having said that I wouldn't stake my life on any of what I think I find, and I hope that others too might peruse what I put forward with an attitude of exploration. Thus, I like to sometimes have a go at determining how some aspects play out.

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the synastry of Chiron conjunct NN in,

Aries: Upset felt over male type perceived digressions, ie. too much aggression, dominating others, being pushy, expecting sex, insensitivity to finer feelings, want to fight others. So not so much that the NN person is doing any of these things but more so that they become aware that if they manifest them or support these types of traits, that this will upset the Chiron person. So basically Chiron has a cautionary attitude that if they get a hint of this from NN then they will feel distress/pain. NN if they are sensitive to these issues as well or sensitive to Chiron's issues with them, will also feel angst which can manifest as physical unwellness. Chiron's pain can become physical too.

In Taurus: Not so much pain. NN person is urged on to become more proficient with talents, musical focus, taste, aesthetic appreciation, aquisition of quality things, and to be productive, and depending on the emphasis in the natals - for NN to be beautiful and for Chiron to enjoy NN's beauty and maybe for both to acknowledge a different swing on things in terms of beauty where Chiron is concerned - so it is like a supportive push from Chiron to manifest these things. NN can get a little strung out with the expectations/push like 'ok ok, but will you ease up a little'. Chiron is very focussed and persistent. They want star quality out of NN. Chiron can get a little psycho like a pedantic piano teacher if NN isn't diligent enough. Chiron is hell bent on developing these qualities in NN and feels anxiety to keep NN on track.

In Gemini: The pain is like an aggravation and is almost competitive. Chiron is manifesting sibling/classmate type rivalry (probably the Gemini/3rd house qualities). Chiron is after dedication to task and communication of what is learned and they set themself up as the benchmark competitior in order to develop NN. NN is equal to the task and actually feels two steps ahead of Chiron's innuendos and taunts and competive style. There is the tension of the petty competition but also an inherent school buddy feel to this. Chiron can be gruelling in its bid to keep NN on becoming proficient witht the basics and won't tolerate more philosophical or higher learning interests of NN. It's like Chiron wants to see expertise with reading, writing and arithmetic and likes to see mental acumen and things like dexterity etc in NN. NN can at times feel like he is over the whole sitch and may feel like he wants to wag or make himself scarce for awhile.

In Cancer: Chiron is demonstrative often crying, beleaguering, and badgering NN to be more sensitive to the emotional current, show more homey qualities, and attend to any unmet childhood requirements or mothering responsibilities. Chiron can feel like they regress with out the nurturing closeness of NN or can feel rejection when ignored by NN. NN feels a sense of guilt but can't always determine why they are feeling that way.

In Leo: Chiron is a bit peeved but feels pretty impressed and self satisfied with NN and with themselves. They can feel the pain of humdrum though and can try to mix things up a little to get a bit of drama/attention etc out of the relationship. NN can feel really disgruntled though. Almost like Chiron is making them do all the hard work in terms of putting themselves on the line. For example they can feel like they have to play a role that may leave them with the short end of the stick as in the case of say if they were shopping together and Chiron was saying 'Try that on, and that, you will rock this or that' etc. So NN goes ahead and tries on the coat or whatever and they feel like they are at the mercy of whether or not they really do rock the coat etc. That's just an example but its like they are the fall guy front man that has to do the display etc of whatever and Chiron is pushing for him to do this at frequent intervals. They can both get a bit tantrum-ish when either NN is not being demonstrative enough or if NN is getting fed up with this role.

So looking back on the themes, it seems that Chiron conjunct the NN is like a push on Chiron's part to manifest what Chiron deems NN should be doing. NN will feel they have to mollify and take heed to Chirons wishes.

The Aries one has made me want to consider it more. The push is to NOT be so Arian in terms of the more aggressive, dominating,take charge qualities. It seems that the NN in Aries is all about developing an astuteness to reason and keeping an even temper, being a good citizen, and in being a model person, being a good leader, having a will, and developing their body so it is strong and ready for action.

The Leo one too is unusual to me. Perhaps the NN in Leo is asking for the person to be more in line with the best role for them. To give something a go as they don't know there own excellence unto they do etc, and to be liked by others because they are doing and displaying what others love. So the push is for NN to not hide under a rock but to get themselves out there and be that stand out figure that people want to love for everything they do - even their weaknesses.

I may continue on through the zodiac and I may do Chiron-SN conjunctions through the signs (I hate to read back through what I write so pardon moi for my misteaks).

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posted May 27, 2013 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sharing @Chryseis!!!

Nothing ever evolved between me and the guy with the NN/venus and NN/chiron double whammy contacts but I'll definitely use this for future reference if this aspect ever pops up again!


Our NN/Venus and NN/Chiron contacts were in libra, so would that have made relationships/cooperation a focus? Kind of like the taurus description?

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posted May 27, 2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
i have this with someone i know, i'm obsessed..
we also have venus conjunct chiron exact tho

Are you chiron or NN, and how does it effect you - or both of you?

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posted May 27, 2013 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiemi, I would say that Chiron conjunct NN in Libra synastry would be:

Straight away I feel a sickness in my stomach and it feels like a nervous sick feel. Chiron feels stressed by imbalances in general in this placement. It's weird because even though Chiron in Libra gets feels anxious about imbalances, it also feels caged by the OCD-ness of maintaining eveness, compromise and balance. It feels like Chiron would like to suddenly make a run for it and do something extreme - all very complex and I'm sure I'm not at the bottom of this.

NN in Libra in this conjunction feels a bit browned off like they have had a raw deal but knew it couldn't be any other way. NN has a fed up feel with Chiron like as if they are high maintenance - they are tired of Chiron's OCD-ness to maintain equality and eveness in everything. NN feels kind of bored here and feels like they want to make a run for it too. NN would prefer to manifest this placement by applying themself to trust that everything will work out for the best in its own way - like as if eventually the tipping and fro-ing in anything - eventually settles to its natural equilibrium.

Chiron is very contradictory and ambiguous in this placement. They already think that everything will do this, however it is like they feel they just have to meddle with things almost like they are testing the tried and true. There is a background theme of justice and truth with this - which on thinking about it, makes total sense that Libra would be about justice and truth. Its almost as if Chiron can see the sense in strengthening a law of how things work out by either trying to influence a situation or by almost upsettin the apple cart. There is an element of Uranus in this sensation so perhaps Chiron is being affected by its position of having Saturn on one side and Uranus on the other.

So seems to be a difficult sign for this conjunction because NN feels perturbed by Chiron's restrictive as well as meddling/loose canon approaches whilst going on about the necessity to achieve total balance, equality and rightness to the point that they are driving NN nuts. NN could stick in there though as in some ways, the pain of the association can ironically bring peace.

So yes, a lot of contradictory, ironic issues - in fact I'm totally surprised by this conjunction in this sign.

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posted May 28, 2013 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As said above, I have DW with someone. My aries Chiron is on his aries SN (conjunct also his aries Venus, loose orb) and his aqua Chiron is exactly on my aqua NN (squaring my scorpio stellium). We are both drawn to each other, but he is married, so it is complicated. We have a spiritual draw, but there is a lot of physical attraction as well.

It is complicated because he has a small child. We see only when we see (due to external circumstances), but are not in contact. He avoids me as much as he can, but not 100%.

How it plays out? With aries Chiron I feel unworthy and he brings out the unworthyness in me. I started acting desperate thinking how he spends time with his family and Im alone etc etc. I stopped this negative thinking detaching myself from him and telling myself that Im worthy. With his avoidance he hurt me already, making it look like it is my fault, although he started the whole thing. Selfishness that he should transcend in his libra NN.

On the other hand, our exact chiron/NN conjunction in aqua is tougher for me to interpret. I have difficulties moving towards my aqua NN, because I have a scorpio stellium. So his Chiron must be pushing me there. He is very unique/bright thinker/witty and a bit outsider and must be treated with (detached) care. He loves his son above all, his son´s Leo stellium is in exact opposition to his Chiron. It looks like I, NN, must take care of his hurt, but I dont understand how he is hurting. I love him very much.

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my chiron was conjunct my ex husbands NN, I left him and never loved him.

my chiron was conjunct of a boyfriends NN, I loved him at the beginning, but then left him.

Looks like Chiron hurts the NN, at least in my case...


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posted May 28, 2013 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chryseis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jjj, I would reckon that Chiron in Aries opposition the partner's NN in Libra (so Chiron conjunct SN in Aries in synastry), would result in Chiron forever being hopeful that NN will share but the irony present here, is that Chiron has a very unclear idea of how to be true to one's self without being selfish. So I would say that Chiron would tend to be selfish in their demands of what they require from the other so that the other is not being selfish.

NN in Libra opposing Chiron in synastry would see NN pretty much unaffected by the angst of Chiron - which will seem so utterly conceited and selfish to Chiron. NN will feel like 'have peace brother' things will be cool we just have to love each other, listen to and adore one another and all will work out. Chiron on the otherhand will blow a fuse and think 'you conceited pr*ck, stop f*cking me around with your bullsh*t attitude!'

Chiron in Aquarius conjunct NN in Aquarius will likely see Chiron playing mind games just to be right, be exact and be perfect in the eyes of some universal megatron almighty ideal god. Chiron is so detached its a joke - they are so distant and disengaged emotionally that they scare themselves sometimes as to whether they truly exist, so they do something like hurt themselves - accidently on something or cause someone else to feel affronted, unimportant and not considered by them - and this can make them feel a bit of warmth in their veins - otherwise they are cold cold cold to others - unless you are a good candidate for humanitarian action or similar, that is.

NN in Aquarius wants to be heard, but on behalf of 'the people'. They want to do important stuff to contribute to the betterment of mankind, animals, electrostatic fluff, and microbes - however they need to be authentic so it takes awhile for them to work out that they can contribute to the betterment of mankind just by being a very authentic version of themselves and thus create a ripple effect or rather an electromagnetic waveform that connects minds and influences trends, ideals etc in others and the environment.

NN in Aquarius will consider Chiron conjunct in synastry as a rather odd fish, that has absolutely no idea of what is truly worthwhile idealistically. They may even feel humoured by what NN sees as an almost pathetic and immature attempt by Chiron to do almost anything - underlying this is that NN is quite touchy about others maybe being better or smarter than them, and prefers to think of Chiron as inferior in reason to themselves.

Chiron in Aquarius will regard NN like a god who is almost a supreme being. They may even withdraw out of something akin to respect where they have deemed themselves not up to the task of being worthy of enough consideration by NN.

I think...as seems it is all very complicated as there is an ambiguity in the nature of both Chiron and NN in general throughout any sign.

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posted May 28, 2013 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peachbeigeblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chiemi:
Are you chiron or NN, and how does it effect you - or both of you?


it goes both ways, 4 degree orb and the other is 1. The tighter orb conjunction, i am chiron.

i don't know him very well - i only know him in a professional setting. he definitely has taken a liking to me and goes out of his way to help me, something out of the ordinary for him. it doesn't seem like it's in a creepy way either - it's more of a caring way. i think there's definitely some astrological pull. i found this thread in an effort to try to figure out why i am so obsessed with him. this DW stood out as a possibility but i'm not sure. there is definitely forgiveness from him though - because he gave me an opportunity before (with work) and i backed out and now is giving me another one.

i'm either delusional or really he does care about my well-being from afar.


The conjunctions are in Cancer (my chiron) and Pisces.

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posted June 20, 2013 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Freesia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have Chiron TRINE partners NN? How does it play out?

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posted June 22, 2013 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Freesia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It sounds like in the case of chiron/NN contacts, both people feel the pain?

Who feels the pain when a planet aspects chiron, the planet, chiron or both?

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posted January 01, 2014 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Canadiangirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 01, 2014 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
who hurts more, the NN or Chiron person?

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Originally posted by summerlite:
who hurts more, the NN or Chiron person?

I think it's both, but as the NN person in a synastry I do think that I'm the one who gets hurt more noticeably. I can't know that for sure, but the other person seems kind of oblivious (but then her Chiron is in 12th).

I think we made some real progress over Christmas, though. For now.

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I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed; my eyes tend to gloss over when I see so much reference to "pain" when discussing Chiron, and so little about "healing."

I really, really, really think people who are concerned about Chiron need to re-frame the way they think about it. Every negative has a positive.

Life is filled with pain. It's part of what makes life worth living, IMO; I'd go nuts if everything was rainbows and puppies all the time. Most of us would be bored to death.

Yes, Chiron is about deep wounds, but it's also about healing; more so than pain, I think. I always have lots of Chiron contacts with my lovers and closest friends. I view them as gifts.

Almost 30 references to pain in this thread and not one reference to heal/healing, if I counted right and my word search worked. That is sad.

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Chiron is also mentor figure, that is structured yet unconventional. A kind of mix of Saturn and Uranus.

Chiron can be the guide for the NN person. Chiron does have his own wound, a wound that has always been there, and the person being guided might remind Chiron of his wound, but it depends on how the Chiron person has been dealing with his life long wound for it to be bad or not.
But Chiron can help the NN person reach the NN lessons, or at least direct him/her to the right direction.

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