posted February 28, 2016 06:25 PM            

First I copy and paste from this thread (Astrology's Asteroid Couples):
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002361.html

Paris(3317)-Helena (101), **Oenone(215)

Basically, when Paris was a shepherd he met Oenone, who was a mountain nymph, and they fell in love and had a son together named Corythus. Then he met the 3 goddesses (the golden apple incident), where Aphrodite told him that she would give him the most beauitful woman in the whole world - Helen - and Paris forgot all about Oenone and ditched her in favor of Helen. This is when the whole Tale of Troy began. 
Oenone sent her son Corythus to Troy to claim his birthright as the royalty of Troy (since he is the son of Prince Paris) after a while, and when Corythus went to Paris's apartment he found Helen there by herself, Paris being in the back room. He then (I forget) clung to her, or something, and when Paris heard her shrieks he rushed out and killed the young man "harassing" his wife, after which he found out that the young boy was his son. He regretted it a lot...

Then the last event was when Paris was shot by Philoctetes's poisoned arrow, and Paris remembered Oenone and knew that she was the only one who could save him (with her medicinal/nymph powers...), and the palace members brought him up to her cave. However, Oenone turned him away coldly, saying, "Go back to your beautiful Helen; see how she can save you now" or something similar. So Paris was carried back to the palace, and he died since she wouldn't help him. When Paris was being burned on his funeral pyre, Oenone suddenly rushed in and threw herself beside him, being consumed by the flames with him...she realized her folly and became overcome with remorse, and rushed down to die with him."

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My Oenone is at 17 degrees Gemini, trine my Venus exact, conjunct my Aphrodite and Boda and conjunct his ascendant at 14 Gemini.

The perfect woman who he loves (ask anybody in my hometown, she's perfect--creative wild proper, a dancer, kinda famous, and beloved by all! Seriously) has asteroid Helena at 17 degrees Gemini in HER chart!

His Paris is at 17 Virgo, square our Helena and Oenone respectively.

Oenone is conjunct our composite North Node, 3 degrees.

He is on the verge currently of snatching our Helena from her Menelaus and eloping.

I love him like crazy and he has been spending lots and lots of time in our 2nd floor apartment with my daughter and I, acting more and more like a surrogate father every day. I know we aren't married and it ain't exactly a mountain, but stay with me.

It FEELS like I am really good for him. Able to heal him; able to help him. It looks and seems like his getting into a relationship with this woman (we can call her Helena for fun) is akin to starting a war because she is experiencing all this upheaval in her relationship with her boyfriend and i am experiencing all this stuff and people in our community are all kind of freaking out about the whole drama of it even though we don't talk about it everybody knows and can see what's going on...

I nearly turned him away yesterday and he was talking about harming himself. The knowledge that he could lose me seems to really hurt him even though he is sorely tempted to leave me for her and it seems like he will if Aphrodite gives her blessing ie if Helena decides he's the one for her. That is in the hands of the gods.

It would be hard for me to be with him after all this but in a way I would rather throw myself on the metaphorical pyre with him than turn him away based on my pride and hurt caused by his rejection and the threat of abandonment.

I think ultimately I come off as a sweetheart which is nice but a burning pile of sweetheart doesn't sound so awesome lol. Still we must remember it's a myth and myths are for learning from and playing out metaphorically... riiight? I think it all points to my love for him being very true, the importance of not letting pride and hurt cloud my purity of heart... also the possibility that after all is said and done he might come back to me.

posted February 28, 2016 06:29 PM            

Natally my Paris is 4 degrees Aries conjunct my Mars and his Moon. His Helena is at 2 Libra opposite his Moon, square my Saturn, conjunct my True Dark Moon. It is 4 degree trine his Venus and is trine my Jupiter exact; shows my good will towards his situation with her.

His Oenone is at 26 Pisces sextile his Chiron and Venus.

In composite they have Helena sextile Oenone exact. Hope for a creative resolution or balance maybe. Paris is conjunct Mars showing the passion and headstrong nature of his ardent attraction to her I think..

Our composite Oenone is conjunct his natal Mercury exact (chart ruler), his anti-vertex by 3 degrees and Mars 3 degrees. Our composite Paris is retrograde, conjunct his North Node by 3 degrees. We have composite Helena conjunct Saturn, 1 degree. We feel a mutual baseline heaviness and restriction based on his attraction to her.

posted February 28, 2016 07:11 PM            

"Early in the epic, Paris and Menelaus duel in an attempt to end the war without further bloodshed. Menelaus easily defeats Paris, though Aphrodite spirits him away before Menelaus can finish the duel. Paris is returned to his bedchambers where Aphrodite forces Helen to be with him.[7]

Paris's second attempt at combat is equally faced: rather than engage the Greek heroDiomedes in hand-to-hand combat, Paris wounds Diomedes with an arrow through the foot.

Later in the war, after Philoctetes mortally wounds Paris, Helen makes her way to Mount Ida where she begs Paris's first wife, the nymph Oenone, to heal him. Still bitter that Paris had spurned her for his birthright in the city and then forgotten her for Helen, Oenone refuses. Helen returns alone to Troy, where Paris dies later the same day. In another version, Paris himself, in great pain, visits Oenone to plead for healing but is refused and dies on the mountainside. When Oenone hears of his funeral, she runs to his funeral pyre and throws herself in its fire.[8]"

Not sounding so good!

Maybe i should focus on our composite Odusseus-Penelope conjunction.. or the Odin-Frigga conjunction... Briede-Groom trine and Eros-Psyche trine, hmm??

Still... fascinating...

posted February 28, 2016 07:14 PM            

She has Oenone conjunct Menelaus natally which makes sense, sort of lumping her boyfriend and I energetically as far as this particular drama goes. These square her natal Paris which is trine her Sun (3 degrees) and 6 degrees from her natal Amor.

Anyway. These themes probably aren't a keynote for her or him. They are more likely prevalent in our relationship because of the conditions surrounding this partnership.

posted February 28, 2016 07:23 PM            

She has Neptune conjunct Dsc in her chart exact. It opposes Jupiter on her ascendant and widely squares her moon. In fact there's a grand cross between her Moon, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury/Juno. These are all on his Sun/Moon midpoint points. It's nuts.

So my question--and I won't bite your head off for answering honestly I promise--is do you think she is geared for an extremely Neptunian relationship for this reason?

posted February 28, 2016 07:27 PM            

And a thanks for your indulgence of my yammering

posted February 28, 2016 07:30 PM            

For instance he has Veritas conjunct his ascendant. Composite Veritas is conjunct his North Node 0'00 and declination same wise. Composite Spirit is 0'00 conjuncthis South Node and parallel same wise, exact.

This matters more because of its significance to him.

posted February 28, 2016 07:39 PM            

She and he have double whammy Sun-Node conjunctions and Moon conjunct North Node in the composite chart. They don't have the most harmonious synastry ever and there are big gaping holes in the composite (unaspected Venus! Which from my observations can sort of intensify it's energy in composite too but still).

posted February 28, 2016 08:45 PM            

She and he have double whammy Sun-Node conjunctions and Moon conjunct North Node in the composite chart. They don't have the most harmonious synastry ever and there are big gaping holes in the composite (unaspected Venus! Which from my observations can sort of intensify it's energy in composite too but still).

posted February 28, 2016 08:54 PM            

Can i just say another thing? Oh why thank you.

Ok ok. His Isis Osiris midpoint 9 Aries. Composite Isis 10 Cancer. My Moon 8 Capricorn.

ok-- my Isis Osiris midpoint 1 Aries. His Moon 1 Aries. Composite Osiris 29 Sag.

So we have Isis/Osiris= Moon double whammy and his Isis/Osiris= Isis my Isis/Osiris= Osiris

His Osiris is opposite my Isis, 3 degree orb.

Composite Isis/Osiris midpoint=composite Moon/Vertex axis (sesquisquare type deal if I recall correctly) and 3 degrees from composite Ascendant.

Composite Isis and Osiris are contraparallel 23'1 and 23'26... and Osiris is exactly parallel--to the minute--his north node of the moon (23'25)...

I might win! Lol. So silly..

posted February 28, 2016 10:41 PM            

Your story is making me so sad but I admire how you are handling it so much! I have more reading to do here though...ugh I'm terrible with mythology, I kinda hate it...but I'll try again later.

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In composite they have Sun opposite Neptune and these square the composite Moon. Could it be workable for them? It seems possible.

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I guess, but...that looks very challenging, and perhaps the dreams they weave together about each other could impinge on other areas of their lives? It's hard to ever make a clean break from Neptune.

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Can i just say another thing? Oh why thank you.

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You are so cute! How could he not pick you?

posted February 29, 2016 12:05 AM            

They are conjunct at 13 and 12 Gemini conjunct Mars, right along his natalnAscendant. Saturn is at 13 Sagittarius in the multicomposite opposing these.

posted February 29, 2016 08:13 AM            

You are holding up yourself so well. This is tough and you are being so strong.

I really hope he chooses well and that choice is obviously you. You are showing your character and the fantastic woman you seem to be. Helena here for him is you, though you have a bit of the nymph myth traits too (the healing).

In my case, so far we have all myths and soulmate pairs aspecting each other closely or exact (lots of DWs too), so I don't know what to tell you lol. The Egyptian ones are the most exact ones, luckily I didn't have the need to fetch his pieces and glue them together lol .

posted February 29, 2016 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
I told him today what you said in the other thread Faith about kinda how can you leave something that never was? Or something--your wisdom around the Neptune dynamic. He got all teary eyed as he is wont to do. He's very intelligent and picks up on astrology very quick; picks up on everything quick. He understood and i think was grateful for the insight thank you very much. You're changing lives here!

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Thank you (!) but...

Not sure I want to change lives, unless it's somehow true what I said, and has a positive effect. Was it true? I don't know, but if he got teary then maybe he recognizes part of his story in that...that there is a "fairy tale" element there...for good and for ill. ...At any rate, you all have my sympathy and respect.