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Topic: Synastry Method
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Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 01:56 AM
I've noticed there is often quite a bit of confusion and uncertainty relating to what a synastry indicates about a (potential) relationship. So I'm here to give you a step-by-step method for chart comparison that will give you the best information you need to know.1.) Make sure you have specific birth times for both charts before you begin. If you don't have an exact birth time, exclude all faster moving factors like Moon and calculated points (Asc, houses), and understand you will get only preliminary indicators. 2.) Separately list all planet positions for each chart in side-by-side columns, like so: Him ........... Her Sun 12TAU22 13PIS04 Moon 0SAG03 15GEM12 Merc 16TAU55 1ARI02 Stick with planets only to see the core energies. Adding umpteen asteroids makes this exercise cumbersome over minor factors. If you must include asteroids, best to choose the one that is most important to you (I use only Chiron). Any such asteroids count as only half as much when counting up planet-to-planet interaspects. 3.) Compare planet positions of both people and list each interaspect found between them using somewhat reduced orbs of influence: conjunctions = 5°: parallels & contra-parallels = 1° max conjunctions & oppositions = 5° (7 for luminaries together) sextiles = 4° trines = 5° quincunxes = 2° --> You must include these declinations aspects (parallel, contra-parallel) if you want a full comparison. 4.) Count up the total beneficial/flowing aspects and total detrimental/stressful aspects. Use the following guide for what is considered positive/+ or negative/-: Beneficial/+ = any interaspect between Sun & Venus; any between Moon & Venus; any between Moon Jupiter; any between Venus & Jupiter. These are all positively beneficial. Extra Beneficial/++ = any close conjunction or parallel between Moon & Sun/Venus/Jupiter/Uranus; any conjunction or parallel between Sun & Venus/Jupiter/Uranus; You can count these at 1.5 positive each. Parallels get 3/4 degree orb, unless luminaries = 1. Conjunctionsget 5°, with Sun and Jupiter a bit more (6°). Negative/- = any conjunction, parallel, opposition, contra-parallel interaspect between Moon & Saturn, Moon & Pluto, Mars & Saturn, Mars & Pluto, Mars & Uranus, Saturn & Uranus, Saturn & Pluto; PLUS all squares, oppositions, contra-parallels, and quincunxes that are not listed above as positives. Remember, limit orb to +/- 5°, depending on whether luminaries are involved (2° for quincunxes/150). Carefully count up the positive/beneficial interaspects and list the total. Same with the negative/stressful interaspects. What is the ratio? We want to see a clear majority of positive beneficial aspects. If it is close, are there strong bonds indicated by those Extra Beneficial aspects? If not, the relationship has less compatibility and will have a less positive prognosis. For many, 2-3 of the more intense negative aspects (Moon/Mars/SaturnPluto) will be enough to kill the deal, depending on the maturity of the persons involved. The ideal is around 60% positive, hopefully with some of those extra good ones in there. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
ikja Knowflake Posts: 2509 From: The Valley of Restoration Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 02:31 AM
Appreciate this Kannon - you're a star xxxxIP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 1886 From: red river valley Registered: Mar 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 03:03 AM
Do you count semi-sextiles as well as quincunxes and do you see them as positives? Curious..IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24430 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 03:41 AM
I like the pragmatic, consistent approach focusing on the basics and what has priority (imo the ONLY way to start a synastry). However, the positive:negative ration, while completely reasonable thinking, does not always work in such a cut and dry manner. (though I suppose in most cases it still does work that way, seems just my parents defy the astrological odds. But they defied them for over 41 years now and still love each other and even more amazing, seem to still be IN love with each other, so I guess something in their positives must have been REALLY positive).
I also want to add that the natals should be taken into consideration, too. To use the example of my parents again, my Dad has a Sun-Moon-square in his natal, and my Mom is a Scorpio (so used to challenges anyway. lol); I donīt think he could have stayed with someone who would have been a "Yes-darling" type. Instead he married a Scorpio with Uranus in 1st house (matching his Taurus-Moon in 8th house and Aqua-Sun) and they have a T-square between their luminaries, because her Sun opposes his Moon and squares his Sun. It`s actually perfect for them, because they need some friction to feel inspired. Of course they also have some nice smooth aspects, but surprisingly few I think. lol IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 05:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: Do you count semi-sextiles as well as quincunxes and do you see them as positives? Curious..
I do if they are tight, preferably well under 1° from exact. And no, I see them as challenging, similar to the quincunx/150°. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 66574 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 29, 2016 06:50 AM
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24430 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 06:54 AM
What if venus is semisextile and parallel sun..?how Do I weigh this?IP: Logged |
Sunnya Knowflake Posts: 407 From: Sunnyland Registered: Jun 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 08:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Why are all conjunctions negative?
I think maybe it's because it counts as a hard aspect and in those cases it count as negative.
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angel4845 Knowflake Posts: 2307 From: los angeles, ca, USA Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 11:11 AM
This was so helpful you posted this thank you kannon. however from what I've learned from a few astrologers here on LL is that I feel All major aspects and minor aspects are not bad if they are part of a geometric configuration in the synastry but that's just my opinion and take into account of each person's batal as well. ------------------ Addicted to Self Relfection - Jupiter R in the 12th House IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 1886 From: red river valley Registered: Mar 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 11:31 AM
Yea i think the designation of positive vs negative is possibly too simplistic... but you do say the ideal is 60% positive so I can see that it isn't really simplistic favouring but the need for the balance to be in favour of those glowing feel good aspects. Arroyo seems to think at least one Jupiter conjunction is practically essential for a really happy long term relationship. I think that's interesting. He also seems to favour Saturn's hard aspects but they (lasting relationships) really come in ask shapes and sizes...IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 1886 From: red river valley Registered: Mar 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: What if venus is semisextile and parallel sun..?how Do I weigh this?
One of the longest standing couples I know (they've been together 30 years and are just so great I love them dearly), have Venus semisextile Sun in the composite. I've seen it a few other times. I think there's something to it... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 1886 From: red river valley Registered: Mar 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 12:03 PM
Do you consider composite charts, Kannon, and if so do you take declinations into consideration therein? How about natal-composite parallels?IP: Logged |
Fabulous Knowflake Posts: 107 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted February 29, 2016 12:16 PM
Thank you, Kannon.Can you explain why Sun/Moon conjunctions with Uranus are in the extra beneficial category? IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1123 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted February 29, 2016 04:30 PM
With regards to the natal being take into consideration, would someone with natal sun/Venus conjunction be ok with sun/Venus square in synastry?? Since they're both considered hard aspects. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 06:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Why are all conjunctions negative?
Who here has said they are? I certainly haven't. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 06:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: What if venus is semisextile and parallel sun..?how Do I weigh this?
I count the semi-sextile as negative, but you could argue it deserves only 'half' a mark of negative. Also, with Venus-Pluto, while I normally consider this an intense aspect of stress, depending on its chart context, could be seen as positive, especially if it is not overly tight. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 06:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by yungang_grotto: Do you consider composite charts, Kannon, and if so do you take declinations into consideration therein? How about natal-composite parallels?
Yes, I use the composite chart for people who are living together in a committed relationship. Yes, I use declinations in all charts. I don't measure composite positions against someone's natal positions, because by using their natal positions to create a mid-point based composite you have already integrated the natals into the single chart. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 06:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Fabulous: Thank you, Kannon.Can you explain why Sun/Moon conjunctions with Uranus are in the extra beneficial category?
Sure. These what are 'best friends' aspects that can facilitate non-verbal communication, 'instant knowing' that allows partnerships to flow fluidly through challenges without the need for denser verbal communication. These aspects can enhance partners' abilities to 'get it' more quickly and visualize/know what is meant/intended by the other person. Great aspects if you have them, especially if there's at least some Saturn to ground things in commitment. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Fabulous Knowflake Posts: 107 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted March 01, 2016 09:17 AM
Thank you for a refreshingly positive take on Uranus' influence. Most literature focus only on what seems to be erratic-ness and inconstancy coming from Uranus person and the dependency and clingy-ness coming from Moon person.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted March 01, 2016 02:49 PM
To clarify, I do not list all conjunctions as negatives. I list 'Negative' and after specifying the harder/angular aspects go on to list what planet combinations are the negatives.------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
Sunnya Knowflake Posts: 407 From: Sunnyland Registered: Jun 2014
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posted March 01, 2016 03:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: To clarify, I do not list all conjunctions as negatives. I list 'Negative' and after specifying the harder/angular aspects go on to list what planet combinations are the negatives.
Thanks for clarifying. I like your approach . IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 3849 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014
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posted March 01, 2016 10:01 PM
Kannon,If semisextiles are hard aspects how would you interpret Sun semisextile exact pluto natally?! Any thoughts on this aspect? IP: Logged |
mar1982delta Knowflake Posts: 477 From: Registered: Nov 2015
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posted March 02, 2016 03:38 AM
Hello Kannon McAfee, may I ask how do we count aspects between planets and angles or aspects between angles? Thank you very much! IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1305 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted March 02, 2016 05:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by mar1982delta: Hello Kannon McAfee, may I ask how do we count aspects between planets and angles or aspects between angles? Thank you very much!
I gave this list of planet-to-planet interaspects, specifically excluding the Asc of both persons with the assumption that the Asc degree of both charts could very likely be inaccurate. That is my experience. IF the Asc degree is verified accurate (through astrological means, not birth record, which is only a record of time) ... then you can apply the same principles there -- Moon/Venus/Jupiter are all good no matter the type of aspect. I do count Saturn-Asc as negative, but it certainly does not ruin the synastry. Count everything else pretty much as given for Moon/Sun -- hard Mars/Saturn/Pluto aspects are definitely negative to Asc. If I've got charts validated accurate, I even include the MC/IC axis as well. You'd be surprised how often those interaspects show up and how tight they can be in accurate charts. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 3849 From: Miami Registered: Sep 2014
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posted March 03, 2016 02:05 PM
Some people seem to think that semisextiles are actually hard aspects similar to inconjunctions. In my experience they are overlooked and powerful. I am starting to think that they get it's power if they are part of a quindecile Yod with another planet natally or by transit but if they are not, act as a soft aspect.Something I will keep observing on my own. For example Ron Paul has Sun semisextile Pluto and when he ran for president Nov 2008 transit northnode formed a quindecile Yod with his sun semisextile Pluto, like him or not he reached a lot of people and transformed their thinking specially the younger population. He had a strong sense of purpose and destiny and great rapport with youth being a Leo sun. The QD yod pushed him to act on his destiny and purpose. IP: Logged |