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Ceridwen
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posted March 12, 2016 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking.... what do you think about conjunctions/Oppositions of composites/ progressed composites to the EVC?
Is it valid or complicating matters? Overdoing the thing?


Reason I ask is this - related to the first meeting chart`s EVC.

1st step: Identifying major aspects in the composite with First meeting
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the major aspects in MY EVC with first meeting chart were these:

°Mars conjunct MC exact
°Lilith conjunct NN conjunct Neptune
°Moon conjunct Antivertex
°Sun conjunct Venus (2°45)
°Mercury conjunct Chiron (2°25)

His composite with the FMC had these aspects:

°Jupiter conjunct MC
°(Mercury conjunct Saturn) opposite Sun exact
°(Pluto conjunct NN exact) square (Mars conjunct Vertex)
° Uranus conjunct Neptune exact
° Venus conjunct Chiron wide (3°43)


In fact for him Mars was at 24 Leo at the apex of a Yod of the exact Uranus-Neptune conjunction on 22 Cap with Venus on 26 Pisces


2nd step: what was being triggered by the natals/ progressed chart of the other person
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my FMC composite - his n/p:

FMC ASC conjunct his n mercury

FMC Uranus conjunct his p Moon

FMC Moon:
conjunct his n Venus
conjunct his p Sun-Mercury-MC

FMC Vertex conjunct his p Juno
FMC Vertex opposite his p Mercury

FMC Sun-Venus opposite his p Mars


As you can see of my major aspects the Sun-Venus-conjunction and Moon-Antivertex one was mostly triggered (with the addition of FMC ASC and FMC Uranus which were not involved in major aspects within my composite with the Meeting)


his FMC composite to my n/ p

now that is where it falls really really flat


his FMC Avx conjunct my n Lilith
his FMC Moon conjunct my p Mars
his FMC Uranus-Neptune conjunct my n Avx


Well that is really a poor result, except maybe for the Moon-Mars.

What I noticed however, and that astounded is me, how our composite/ progressed composite made BOTH EVC`s with the first meeting sparkle! How much more "there" it seemed.

Question is: does it make sense to compare? And if so, what would it indicate?

Well the EVC represents our individual experience of that moment, what it triggered in us.

The natal progressed chart of the other person related to that, means WHAT in terms of the other person activates these experiences in us. For example my EVC had a Sun-Venus-conjunction, my experience was related to possible romantic feelings, affection, falling in love, appreciation, admiration etc. That is what I experienced.

But what in him made me feel that way?
Well it is quite straighgforward in this case, as his p Mars was opposing this. So, we do not really have to mince words here.


However what would our composite in relation to the EVC mean?
I think it would indicate what in us coming together at the same place, the same time (the composed us), and what in that connection between us, the energetic make up-maybe, would trigger that individual experience of the moment.


So seeing that the progressed composite ASC is just 4 minutes off my EVC Sun (though not conjunct Venus), couldn´t be clearer either; the meeting itself (progressed composite ASC) became the trigger (conjunction) of my individual experience of the moment (my EVC Sun) and this was related to art, admiration, attraction and love (EVC Sun conjunct Venus).


Does that make sense to you or none at all? lol

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posted March 12, 2016 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So 3rd step: composite and progressed composite overlays to the composite with the moment
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c/pc to my EVC with the first meeting
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FMC ASC conjunct c-Lilith exact
FMC NN conjunct c-Venus exact (0°01)
FMC Lilith conjunct c-Venus exact
FMC Neptune conjunct c-Venus
FMC Moon conjunct c-Moon wide
FMC Avx conjunct c-Moon exact
FMC Sun conjunct pc ASC exact

composite/pr comp to HIS composite with the moment
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FMC ASC conjunct c-ASC
FMC Mars conjunct c-Vertex exact
FMC Mars opposite pc-Venus exact
FMC Vertex conjunct cVertex
FMC Jupiter conjunct c-MC exact
FMC MC conjunct c-MC
FMC Uranus-Neptune conjunct c-Moon exact
FMC Sun conjunct pc ASC
FMC Mercury-Saturn conjunct pcDESC

It`s interesting to me to see that we had progressed composite Venus conjunct composite Antivertex on 24 Aquarius exact

(which was also btw conjunct my n Psyche on 24 Aquarius - and mean Lilith on 24 Aqua, but unfortunately Mean Lilith is invalid, and his n Psyche on 25 Aqua)


And this was EXACTLY conjunct Tr Neptune on 24 Aquarius,

and now to see that his composite with the moment had Mars on 24 Leo.

I know that technically nothing in my natal chart triggered it, but I just can`t ignore such an exact alignment, even though it does "only" involve composite placements (except for the Psyche-asteroid of course).


EDIT
Of course it is absolutely possible that he was simply indifferent and underwhelmed with meeting me, and that showed in the meagre activation ofh is EVC through me.

On the other hand he clearly seemed to recognize me (and giving the impression of being really glad to see me) 2 years later when I resurfaced, even though we hadn`t crossed each others path in the mean time, which kinda surprised me. I mean why would he remember a woman he just had a short chat with 2 years ago and who was disappearing afterwards again. I mean he must be meeting a lot of people all the time.

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posted March 12, 2016 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, did we already settle on that this is valid? I just seem to recall foggily something like that.

BTW I kind of like the idea of comparing composites to composites, it sort of seems like taking place on the same level. same kind of charts, you know?

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posted March 12, 2016 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those are some mighty fine aspects there Ceridwen from EVC to comp... Jupiter on the double MC and Uranus-Neptune=Moon! Very refined (esoteric?) yet ebullient energy--and Venus-anti-vertex on t. Neptune! So spiritual. Seems like a big impact was definitely made one way and another. Would love to know about noviles in your charts together and 7th harmonic (i bet it's around here somewhere!). Anyway

Sun on prcompAsc... really all of this makes perfect sense. It's no less than i would expect to see for such a significant moment/connection.

Like my progressed Sun is conjunct composite chart ruler Uranus... and it just makes sense.

Sun-Asc though!!!! Wowee shinyy

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posted March 12, 2016 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh do not get me started on noviles and septiles!!!! In fact I am itching to show yuo (have to prepare those with my paint program though). They are BIG (my 7th harmonic is possibly the most impactful harmonic for me anyway)


But now I have to get ready to see the play: Mozart-Superstar (5th harmonic is so amazing, too , btw. lol) which he direted actually.
But the reviews are really bad, so I guess we will be back before the end. lol

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posted March 12, 2016 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah! Haha awesome. hope it's not terrible!

Me n Mozart have got some commonalities between our 5th harmonic charts if i recall correctly. the aspect pattern...

D and I have a Suuper tight Sun Moon conjunction in 7th harmonic synastry which i can definitely feel.. in the quiet electric moments.. a rightness and complementarity which is like a thunderstorm in heaven (??) He has some 7 in his numerology i believe. I'm not surprised you have a lot of 7th harmonic stuff from the vibes I get...

It's so interesting to see a third party's synastry with a given composite and how they affect the relationship. Just thinking about how i perceive yours etc. Multi-composites too I've been finding endlessly fascinating... my daughter and D and I.. Him, him and I! The distinction must be made of course but i think one person's composite with their own composite paints a powerful internal picture of the dynamics of the relationship. Reallllyy interesting patterns have been turning up.

Yay for composite charts! The magic of midpoints!

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posted March 12, 2016 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, did we already settle on that this is valid? I just seem to recall foggily something like that.

BTW I kind of like the idea of comparing composites to composites, it sort of seems like taking place on the same level. same kind of charts, you know?


Yea haha indeed ^ ... but thanks for reminding, almost forgot about it.

Getting it from that thread and I see being not the only one with an EVC to (p-)c ASC during 1st meeting;

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I had a deep thought about other possible comparisons and I come to the conclusion that even these are valid;

Compare planets of your Compo-Event to planets/points in the natal-composite of u both.

Example 1st meeting;

Compo me/event;
- Sun 15 Virgo

Our natal Composite;
- Asc 15 Virgo

(THREE minutes applying ^)

Derived ^ from (without truly understanding the symmetry underneath I can't set my mind on this u know);

My natal Sun 7 Leo
The transit Sun 23 Libra

My natal Asc 4 Virgo
His natal Asc 26 Virgo

^ meaning that my natal Sun & Asc have a certain fixed angle (27 deg). That angle is repeated between his natal Asc & transit Sun at our 1st meeting moment (27 deg).
AND.. (to cross-work now);
The fixed synastry angle between my natal Sun and his natal Asc (49 deg) is also repeated between my natal Asc & transit Sun (49 deg).


http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/004669-3.html


One might wonder why I talk so openly about this one again ^, but we're back on track since yesterday (happily enough I'm not too enthusiastic about it as those 'too much' vibes will only result in another final break the next day - at least I don't have to focus only on crashes and disasters now / Thank God ;D)

But I was really glad to see your Mom - being a Lilith/Uranus conjunction like myself - is able to have a decent relationship with an Aqua influenced one. I denied needing aqua influences for too long I guess. It's time to admit~! After all, AQUA is a fixed sign (I need fixedness to-the-core) and there's no need for being so biased about their faithfulness.

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posted March 12, 2016 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yun,

it WAS awful, so awful it was really funny, too (though we left during the intermission). lol

Yes 7th harmonic is big in my case, as my Moon is septile my Sun-Mercury-conjunction and Pluto obviously is in 14th harmonic aspect to all three of them (hence appearing as opposition in 7th harmonic chart).


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posted March 12, 2016 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir,

yes, interesting, isn`t it?


pr c-ASC 13°58 Pisces

my EVC-Sun 14°00 Pisces
his EVC-Sun 14°31 Pisces


almost like it describes the fact of the meeting itself, maybe neutral in terms of what was triggered, but just indicating THAT a meeting could take place at that time.


BTW the more I look at our first meeting chart, the more I realized that the current timeframe bears much resemblance with the time back then, just often coming with reversed roles. lol It`s not exactly the same, but for example

2 weeks ago, before the concert took place, he was observing us(me) through the windows of the cafe we had been in (had been with some aquaitances), and yes I mean, he was observing us, a short look does not take about 3 minutes or so. lol


Anyway at that time I see

c-ASC 1°19 Aquarius
my EVC Sun 2°00 Aquarius
his EVC Sun 2°31 Aquarius
(his EVC Neptune 29°56 Capricorn)


I mean what a coincidence right?
(of course the opportunity for this to happen pops up about twice a year I think? Or maybe some more times, if considering the DESC, too and the progressed versions, but anyway not like it pops up every other week or so. lol)


Hmm shall I congratulate you that you are back on track or voice my condolences?
Instinctively I want to say: congratulations. HOpe you stay on track, despite you having reservations.


As for my Dad, he is absolutely faithful, but I think he is because he is totally in love with my mother, so he just doesn`t have eyes for other women (as potential "targets")-

I must say though he has Moon in Taurus in 8th house, and Saturn conjunct ASC in Virgo.
And yes Aqua is a fixed sign, my Aqua Moon is the living proof.


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posted March 12, 2016 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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2 weeks ago, before the concert took place, he was observing us(me) through the windows of the cafe we had been in (had been with some aquaitances), and yes I mean, he was observing us, a short look does not take about 3 minutes or so. lol


Anyway at that time I see

c-ASC 1°19 Aquarius
my EVC Sun 2°00 Aquarius
his EVC Sun 2°31 Aquarius
(his EVC Neptune 29°56 Capricorn)


I mean what a coincidence right?
(of course the opportunity for this to happen pops up about twice a year I think? Or maybe some more times, if considering the DESC, too and the progressed versions, but anyway not like it pops up every other week or so. lol)


Wow! Indeed.
I could visualize the whole happening, he doesn't beat about the bush, does he ;D

It's once a year this conjunction to the composite Asc. How funny that it was happening at exact that moment 2 weeks ago~! And ofcourse, in your case BOTH EVC Suns involved.


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I must say though he has Moon in Taurus in 8th house, and Saturn conjunct ASC in Virgo.
And yes Aqua is a fixed sign, my Aqua Moon is the living proof.

Always nice finding something in common with your parents ;D
My Leo-Sun opp. his Aqua-Moon in the 5th.
Like your dad's Moon house correlates with your Mom's Scorp-Sun + the Sun/Moon opposition ofcourse.

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posted March 12, 2016 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yun,

it WAS awful, so awful it was really funny, too (though we left during the intermission). lol

Yes 7th harmonic is big in my case, as my Moon is septile my Sun-Mercury-conjunction and Pluto obviously is in 14th harmonic aspect to all three of them (hence appearing as opposition in 7th harmonic chart).


That's another layer to my understanding of seventh harmonics then... the quiet/precise/inspired genius of you!

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posted March 13, 2016 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mir,

" he doesn't beat about the bush, does he ;D"
Well, yes and no!
Probably he was trying to figure out if it was me (I looked quite different with my new haircut, but I am also sure he did recognize me).

A bit later, when we had to line up for the entry, he came out and joined us, and while he did answer some questions of others, he chose to stand pretty much all of the time just one step above me (and actually some others had to make space so he could do that) and even though someone was talking to him who was standing a bit sideways and he of course was talking back to her, his body was angled towards me the whole time, and I guess mine towards him, It just struck me later that this was a little weird, but well I guess he just likes to be in my proximity.
Even in the intermission, when I had been outside to get a bit of air, I did not even realize he had been outside as well (probably for a smoke) but noticed that he came back into the club right behind me, and well like usual we managed to almost physically bump into each other more than once. Sometimes it feels like there might be some invisible string and either of us is located at one end of the string.

It`s not intentional, it just happens I guess.


"How funny that it was happening at exact that moment 2 weeks ago~! And ofcourse, in your case BOTH EVC Suns involved."
Yes, thought so, too. And it`s not like I see him every other week or so.


Well the time before I saw him (end of december) I only saw him on stage, which did not keep him from staring at me though. lol
But there was of course no real direct contact in physical proximity like 2 weeks ago.

The EVC Sun back then was on 1 Capricorn, so not configured with our composite at all.
What made me laugh however is this; since he did quite some ogling me again, even from stage, I was having a look at the EVC for that moment in december.


my EVC had an exact Venus-Jupiter-conjunction on 17 Sag, falling onto our composite Mercury-Neptune-Sappho-conjunction. lol (well communication is not always verbal, right? )

and an EVC Moon-Mars-conjunction falling onto composite MC.
I felt quite on display shall we say?

But there was no angle-Sun-interconnection in any way.


in HIS EVC with this moment he had VEnus on 27°04 SAgittarius conjunct our composite Sun on 26°27 Sagittarius.

But his EVC Venus was a little pained back then, for it was configured to THESE midpoints:

square Chiron/MC 0°42
conjunct Node/Chiron 1°15 (outer orb I allow for direct ones)


his exact Jupiter-Juno-conjunction (6 minutes) in THAT EVC wasn`t happier either (and squaring our composite Mercury-Neptune-Sappho )

as Jupiter-Juno was in the midpoints of:
square Saturn/Neptune 0°15
square Sun/Pluto 0°53

a bit tensed.


Well actually my EVC Venus-Jupiter-conjunction back then seems to have been subjected to some pain as well, as it came with the midpoint of
square to Ceres/Chiron


My EVC Moon (on the composite MC exact) was a little happier, but not purely so:
square Sun/Chiron 0°02 (the non-happy part)
conjunct Jupiter/ASC 0.20
conjunct Venus/ASC 0.21

Moon = Jupiter/ASC
To find quick recognition.

Moon = Venus/ASC
Being loved/ appreciated. Being attractive.


Anyway so I guess it makes sense that no direct contact was really made (though we could debate of eyecontact counts as direct contact ).

"My Leo-Sun opp. his Aqua-Moon in the 5th."
To me that sounds very promising and sparkling. But I have Aqua Moon (though in 2nd house) and pr Leo Moon so I might be fond of that axis as the moment (funny enough he has as of now pr Sun in Aquarius and pr Moon in Taurus. In fact when we met 2 weeks ago his pr Moon had started the first quarter phase just the month before (coincidentally on the exact day when he chose to respond to a post of mine by posting virtual kisses, which I still think was a slip, possibly based on a good performance he had been delivering that evening. lol)


"Like your dad's Moon house correlates with your Mom's Scorp-Sun + the Sun/Moon opposition ofcourse."
Yes probably the biggest asset in their synastry.

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posted March 13, 2016 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I was looking up the EVC`s and composite/ progressed composite for the concert 2 weeks ago:


My EVC
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c-ASC conjunct EVC Sun 0.53

c-Mars opposite EVC Vertex 0.24

c-Neptune conjunct EVC Jupiter 0.11
c-Mercury conjunct EVC Jupiter 1.50

c-Sun conjunct EVC Moon 1.46 a
pc-MC conjunct EVC Moon 0.05

c-Moon conjunct EVC Mercury 0.14
c-Moon conjunct EVC Venus 1.40
c-Moon conjunct EVC Neptune 1.49
c-Moon conjunct EVC Uranus 1.53
- maybe the conjunction to Venus-Neptune-uranus are a tad wide, but still under 2 degrees, which is important especially int erms of EVC Venus, as the othrs are slow movers of course, but I think the conjunction of EVC Mercury and EVC Venus sort of pulls them in, too


pc NN conjunct eVC ASC 1.36

midpoint pictures (just the direct ones, even though probably the squares are valid too)
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EVC Vertex (c-Mars)
conjunct Mercury/MC 1.13

EVC Jupiter (c-Mercury-Neptune, pc-Lilith)
conjunct Sun/Node 1.12
"public recognition."


EVC Moon (c-Sun, pc MC)
conjunct Mercury/Pluto (I have that natally as well)

"Change in public thinking. The power to speak with heart and soul "

EVC Venus (c-Moon)
= Uranus/Neptune 0.11
= Mercury/Uranus 1.05
= Mercury/Neptune 1.07

"Clair-feeling (psychic-feelings). sudden secret or weird love."
"Sudden love. Singing. Sudden pleasant news. Sudden news from friends. Excitement with or through acquaintances."
"Love dream. Love poem. To adore. Adored through acquaintances."

EVC Uranus (c-Moon)
= Venus/Neptune 0.08

"Homesickness. Love's longing. Reminder. To be reminded."

EVC Neptune (c-Moon)
= Venus/Uranus 0.02

"Secret in sudden romantic love."

EVC ASC ( pc NN)
= Saturn/Node 1.09

"Pulling back; appearing alone; going away."
(I sort of did, at least during this time, as I was in a group of aquaitances, and while i was smiling back at him, after that smile I focused on the group I was in again, I was not waving at him like mad as the others did nor was I staring, I was simply acknowledging that I had seen him, smiled at him and then minded my own business again. What else could I have done?)

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posted March 13, 2016 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HIS EVC with this moment he was obviously observing me/us
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c-ASC conjunct EVC Neptune 0.23
c-ASC conjunct EVC Sun 1.24

c-Jupiter conjunct EVC DESC 0.58

pc-NN conjunct EVC Mars 0.06

pc Sun conjunct EVC Venus 1.25
pc Sun conjunct EVC Uranus 0.04

I liked his EVC DESC falling onto our composite Jupiter in 5th house. Sort of fitting for the entertainment-relation of that occasion, though of course when the actual concert started his EVC DESC would have already moved on from that. hmm.

midpoints
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EVC Sun (c-ASC)
= Uranus/Neptune 0.08
= Venus/Neptune 0.31

"Days of change between tension and relaxation. The man who changes between tension and relaxation, who works energetically or not at all, who is thrown back and forth by impulses.Trance-like states.Fits or swoons"

"Timid in love. Silent admirer. A romantic and revelling disposition. erotic imagination. little sense of reality. Longing, lovesick, a secret love."


EVC DESC (c-Jupiter)
= Venus/Mars 0°07
= Jupiter/MC
= Sun/Mars
= Mars/Uranus

"Personal sexual intercourse.(I can assure you there was not ) Acquaintance with intimate friends.Showing love easily, with few conditions. the revelation of love."

"The desire to make others happy. To be jolly with others. To be content and in harmony with others."

"Other people act or interfere. To be physically in contact with another person. To act physically toward another person."

"To be connected with sudden events. To rebel together with others"


EVC Mars (pc NN)
= Moon/IC 0.09

"Sexual stimulation of women. One who is able to be firm. Mentally decisive and organized. The longing for a soul mate. The introduction of a man to a woman. A man`s desire to posess a woman`s sou." Sometimes the midpoint interpretations are just so funny to read.

EVC Venus (pc Sun)
= Sun/Uranus 0.11

"sudden outbursts of affection or love. tendency to fall in love quickly. unusual experiences in love. Unexpected affection or love. Sudden events concerning love. Romantic love. To be ecstatic over love. A happy surprise."


Hmm, must have been an interesting moment for him as well.

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posted May 07, 2016 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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