posted January 16, 2013 09:57 AM            

I am in a similar position to you.

I have Natal, Scorpio, Venus, Pluto, Eros, Cupido, Sappho, etc. Her Pluto and Saturn is conjunct all of that, and her Venus and Mars trine it all in Pisces. Her Moon also Trines it all from Cancer, and my Moon isn't far off from trine-ing it all either.

With regards as to who feels more attached, I have read various other threads, which all seem to suggest that Pluto is the more intense and attracted one in the relationship. However, given that we both have natal Pluto conjunctions in Scorpio and Pluto aspects to each other, in your case an opposition to his Venus. Then I honestly don't know who if either would feel the attraction more. All I can say is that I feel... pretty powerless, I've just surrendered to the fact that I care about and love her a great deal, whether she knows it or not, whether she reciprocates it or not, whether she acknowledges it or not.

Of course there are other aspects between us, as well as other non-astrological factors. Anyway, I hope you have some luck figuring it out. From what I've read, Pluto tends to demand, intense affection and attention, and if it doesn't get what it needs, then Pluto's ability to bring about transformation and upheaval may well just pop up.

- Chris

posted January 16, 2013 06:08 PM            

Initially Venus is more "powerless" and attracted, but in the end the person with the stronger Pluto has the upper hand, usually.

I had the conjunction with my ex, I was Venus and he was Pluto. He isn't Plutonian at all, very Airy (Aqua, Gem) whereas I'm all the opposite (Scorp, Pluto). We weren't obsessed with each other, and we didn't even truly love each other. It was great for physical chemistry though.

I was the one who went through a "crisis" in the relationship; basically I had to deal with insecurities and my values (Venus) were at odds with the way he behaved and thus a transformation was necessary (Pluto) which, eventually, ended the relationship.

I wouldn't be thrilled to have the opposition between those two. What starts as a crazy attraction/obsession/chemistry can quickly turn into a battle of egos/power plays.. It can be a very painful combination because the Pluto person can unconsciously re-open old wounds in the Venus person, forcing them to deal with their insecurities and their values. If the two people are quite compatible and mature, it can work out but if you're basically different, it's probably going to be a painful ride.

There was a great article on this the other day... maybe I can find it later.

posted January 16, 2013 06:13 PM            

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PLUTO-VENUS ASPECTS IN THE SYNASTRY CHART
Venus/Pluto in dynamic aspect can generate a sort of obsessive/compulsive partnership, one where the relationship creates situations and circumstances that compel us to dive into ourselves and understand just why we're so obsessive about this other person. Sometimes we'll even wonder just why we're so attracted to the other, and not even have a sound logical explanation to give ourselves, aside from a sort of feeling of entering the event horizon of a massive black hole. And that black hole is playing such beautiful music, or so it sounds through the power of Venus's attractive principle, that we just cant help but get sucked in. There's a bit of karma to all this, of course, and Venus/Pluto pairings often indicate the destination is personal transformation. Sometimes it only really makes sense in hindsight, after Pluto's power has subsided (and that's not quickly, either), or we've transformed enough that we need to move on.

There can be issues of trust, jealousy, and honesty that make themselves loud and clear at times. It becomes hard, and at times near dangerous, to attempt to hide anything from the other or ourselves regarding the relationship. They either pick up on the half-truths by their intuition or use investigative means (covert or overt) to get to the bottom of things. Just as Pluto deals with investigations and revealing all that is hidden, so does the Venus/Pluto relationship function. Depth is a keyword in all it's meanings to these relationships, from psychological right down to the perversion of that word.

The soft aspects are more favorable, but the hard aspects can be much more rewarding if they are applied in positive manners. These Venus/Pluto relationships have the potential for deep transformations to take place, and for either or both parties to overcome difficult relationship issues. Pluto's influence purifies by exposing all that is maligned in anything it touches. As the relationship can take on some darker undercurrents, the natives get a chance to face parts of themselves they may not otherwise face without a Plutonian dose of compulsion. This can create tensions and highlight personal lackings, which can have a negative impact, but if both parties are open and honestly communicate the experience, and are mutually supportive, this can actually act to deepen the bond between the two in a major manner. It all depends how the natives handle the energy, whether they let it remain an damed up undercurrent where it becomes corrosive or if they actively engage the process. If one party in the relationship doesn't feel comfortable enough with the other to open up these repressed psychological patterns, which are hard enough to face in oneself let alone share them with another, the basis forms for the more corrosive expression of this energy. This is often how Venus/Pluto relationships end; one faces a Plutonian challenge of purification which is withheld from the other, which leads to an array of blockages and a notable change in the energy exchange between the individuals. Both parties feel it, things start seeming "off" and the decline begins. In relationships exhibiting Venus/Pluto energy as a primary factor, one should always remember nomatter how dark and difficult facing something is, it's better to get it off your chest than to let it fester. The fixed emotional (water) nature of Pluto makes this a serious danger. Sometimes this means revealing to your partner some things about your inner self you may rather keep hidden, but hey, that's a huge theme of Pluto: facing your darkness. By bringing these things up to the surface, the process of purification can begin in a non-corrosive manner; as the light shines upon the darkness it is transcended and resolved. In the same manner, it is important for both parties in a strong Venus/Pluto bond to avoid passing any form of judgment on the other, even if the other was to reveal a particularly distasteful part of themselves. It's important to promote acceptance and dissolution of personal guilt; guilt is the enemy of successful transcendence. One should remember their own dark side before passing judgment on anyone else; we've all got one, and the thought that any of us are angels is but a fallacy... And a dangerous one at that!

Plain and simple, the sexual potential in Venus/Pluto relationships is high; it serves as an intensive means of bonding and interpersonal connection on a soul level. Sex is more than something physical under these influences. Sex on a physical level is more of the Mars/Pluto domain, where it may be better described by the common four letter expletive, although that is sometimes what people enjoy more. All depends on the natal makeup. Regardless, Venus/Pluto serves to focus the sex act on the passive attractive ("togetherness") principle of Venus rather than the active aggressive ("alpha male") principle of Mars. This can work as a positive or negative thing depending on the desires of the people involved... But either way sexual attraction runs strong.

Overall, this pairing can be very positive if handled constructively. Much to the disagreement of some, Venus and Pluto are actually pretty good friends. How couldn't a dirty guy like Pluto be magnetized to sensual Venus? And if Venus was all about some Mars, she'd go nuts at Pluto's stamina and sheer power, making the prowess of Mars seem petty. Besides, any lady who formed from a severed phallus is sure to have an x-rated side... a very happily accepted thing in Pluto's underworld. Some say Venus is too frail for Pluto, but I disagree. Bil Tierney in his book on Pluto (in the section describing Venus from a Plutonian perspective) used the words "fiesty" and "cocksure" to describe Venus based on her mythological history, and I think he's right on target. The concept of Venus being a snow white in glass slippers is a concoction of too many Disney animations and not enough reality. Venus may be impressionable, but she's not weak. Earth Venus is represented by the bull, an extremely strong creature, and her air side by the scales, representing the triumph of fair justice and the ultimate power of balance. Neither side is by any means weak.

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posted March 12, 2016 05:46 PM            

Slightly scared but I love pluto synastry, so I'm also excited by it haha!

posted March 13, 2016 03:53 PM            

A few years ago there was a young man who's Pluto squared my Venus exactly. We hit it off right away. We had deep conversations and a lot of crazy laughter due to Jupiter aspects and both of us had Uranus in 1st, I just understood that part of him. But ... I wasn't attracted in thát way but it seems he was. Then after 1 year or so I was hit and fell hard for him. He told me he felt the same way a year back. We're still sort of friends (unseen) but hardly have contact.

A colleague of mine has Venus conjunct my Pluto. He is a sweet and interesting guy with much the same spiritual believes so that can bond us. I do not feel sexually or romantically attracted to him at all. I can see there might be some sort of deep transformational possibility.

Pluto conjunct Moon though. I once was incredibly attracted to this person (his moon). It was insane and forbidden. I could just feel he felt the same, we were both in awe of this feeling. We never interacted again after that. Oh no, we did, last December. I acted nonchalant. What was I to do? But I didn;t feel the attraction at that time, probably just because I wasn;t open, shielding myself. Sometimes it does come back. I think I did feel sort of an obsession. Like I just had to. This was before I knew his data and I just knew Pluto was in play, and it was. I really love that energy much better. I think if I would see and talk to him again I would either have to react cold and uninterested just to shield myself or just walk away. Phew....

posted March 14, 2016 11:28 PM            

Does a 6 or 7 orb play out for Venus--especially if they have Pluto conjunct Venus in their Natal chart?