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Topic: Feels like my soulmate, but no good saturn aspects.
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cultstatus
Knowflake Posts: 180
From: Australia
Registered: Nov 2014
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posted March 17, 2016 06:26 AM
  
What to make of this synastry and composite? It appears we have intense attraction aspects, and possibly even soulmate with his northnode conjunct my ascendant and valentine...
I can't say I've ever felt THIS for someone before. I just don't want to get my hopes up if the relationship is going to be purely sexual attraction with no chance of an actual relationship. I think I'd rather not go there at all and save myself the hurt. He says he feels the intensity of it all, we've only just met but it's so powerful.
In synastry we have pluto square moon, pluto conjunct venus, vertex opposite neptune, north node square venus.
But saturn conjunct uranus... REALLY!!
And what about chiron conjunct lilith, that doesn't sound healthy at all.
Is there anything that can make up for a lack of saturn aspects.
Composite looks intense... pluto and juno conjunct in 7th house, venus in the 8th.. stellium in the 9th, is that even good? 
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margym0o
Knowflake Posts: 650
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posted March 17, 2016 09:20 AM
Please, go with what you feel. Don't discount your feelings based on the charts. Given that it's so early in your relationship, it's impossible to know how this 'potential' will play out. It's not a good idea to hinge your entire relationship on early readings because it can taint your perspective. Will you love him less, because there are "no Saturn aspects"? Live your life, and enjoy it! Don't miss an opportunity to experience something amazing. For the record, I know a married couple whose Saturns are barely aspected (hers not at all) and have been together 7-8 years now. In another relationship, their Saturns are only aspected by Uranus as well and through thick and thin their bond is unbreakable (they do have strong composite Saturn, though). Will they all still be with each other 20 years from now???? Who knows. Marriages with strong Saturn still end. IP: Logged |
cultstatus
Knowflake Posts: 180
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posted March 17, 2016 09:52 AM
Thank you for the reply. I generally have experienced a lot of Venus Saturn in the past and they obviously didn't work out so your example makes me feel better. I'm just trying to be cautious who who I make time for.I'm curious, Is there other aspects that can act in the same was as the supposed Saturn glue? IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 17, 2016 06:06 PM
Moon is in the 5th in composite  I like the aspect patterns in the synastry.. heavily constellated Mercury... you'll likely never run out of things to talk about! I can't take a really detailed look but the potential for a loving experience is there. Hope so wuthering composite Sun and Neptune and Mercury hanging out together. You are looking at either unconditional love or dissolution. (Says my limited experience with strong composite Neptune...) I also know couples of long standing with little in the way of Saturn glue. It doesn't work like that for everyone... and there are subtler ways for Saturn to be very heavily integrated--including declinations and midpoints... IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 17, 2016 06:14 PM
If it feels like your soulmate look for similarities between the Saturn expression of each of your charts, partly to see whether it will take time and what kind of work to integrate the feelings you need to express and the experiences you need to have together in this lifetime. Saturn makes sure we stick around and do what we've gotta do. It's not always fun. It's great if you're in a relationship which needn't be forced and yet Saturn is SO good at making us feel that we have to do something--and some of us need that to maintain relationships! I'm heavily Saturnian, emotionally... so I'm one of them. Haven't looked enough at these charts to say what's needed. Nodal involvement is a big deal and comparison of progressions might tip you off as to the nature of the electricity you're currently feeling, if it's not going to be long term you can sort of tell the flavour by looking at the progressions and comparing your life stages and synchronicities and how long they'll go on for. Cause you're talking predictive astrology when you talk long term. We all are. And the synastry/composite is only showing us the potentiality of the two natives and the raw basis of their energetic interplay. Important--but not telling us what will happen when, so much. IP: Logged |
sunflower-moon
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posted March 17, 2016 06:53 PM
I am, by no means, an expert but I'd be way more concerned about the unaspected Moon and Venus. I believe you said you were on the inside? How does that feel for you?IP: Logged |
todd
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posted March 17, 2016 08:07 PM
mars is square to Neptune showing no fidelity at all. the sexual intensity is from eris opposed to the vertex..... all sex and not responsibility .
the node square to Uranus and Saturn nevr lasts.
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cultstatus
Knowflake Posts: 180
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posted March 18, 2016 05:09 AM
yunggang_grotto you're right, the conversation is very stimulating and it feels like neither of us ever wants it to end..
I don't know about declinations or mid points, maybe it's the time to educate myself!those are great points about looking at saturn in our charts, i'll definitely suss it out now. sunflower-moon that's what I don't understand! I feel intense LOVE feelings toward this person. Yes the attraction is huge but if I had to really describe the feelings its like pure LOVE and EMOTION. why??? Todd- that's not good news. But is it really certain how that energy will play out?
Can mars and neptune in composite EVER be positive?
Are there any positive aspects that will balance this energy you describe? Sorry for all the questions but if it's doomed from the start I WANT TO KNOW NOW! xx IP: Logged |
RoseLily
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posted March 18, 2016 04:20 PM
You have a conjunction between North node and ascendant and another one between pluto and karma... That to me is a sign that it's at the very least a karmic relationships. Coupled with moon/sun and venus/sun, both strong attraction indicator.
But yeah definitely node and karma that immediately jumped to me. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 18, 2016 05:32 PM
Venus forms a yod with Chiron and Jupiter in the composite and is otherwise unaspected.I think it's likely to be a very focused relationship somehow; the LOVE feelings could very well be both baffling and quite pure/unadulterated and overwhelming. Mars square the composite stellium could indeed give some problems but it's important to consider again the individuals and see how that could contribute positively to their life paths. Maybe they need a little.. ok a LOT of oomph... again, things aren't likely to be boring but there could be potential for underhandedness and combativeness.. IP: Logged |
todd
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posted March 18, 2016 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by cultstatus:
yunggang_grotto you're right, the conversation is very stimulating and it feels like neither of us ever wants it to end..
I don't know about declinations or mid points, maybe it's the time to educate myself!those are great points about looking at saturn in our charts, i'll definitely suss it out now. sunflower-moon that's what I don't understand! I feel intense LOVE feelings toward this person. Yes the attraction is huge but if I had to really describe the feelings its like pure LOVE and EMOTION. why??? Todd- that's not good news. But is it really certain how that energy will play out?
Can mars and neptune in composite EVER be positive?
Are there any positive aspects that will balance this energy you describe? Sorry for all the questions but if it's doomed from the start I WANT TO KNOW NOW! xx
mars square Neptune invariably shows a extended social need. it is common in infidelity .with this aspect, it is likely that you and he met while out partying and neither of you were thinking or looking for a serious relationship at the time.
the sq7uare of Uranus and Saturn to the node is even more definitive if unstable relationships. todd IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
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posted March 18, 2016 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by todd:
mars is square to Neptune showing no fidelity at all. the sexual intensity is from eris opposed to the vertex..... all sex and not responsibility .
the node square to Uranus and Saturn nevr lasts.
todd
Conversely, composite node square Saturn is an indicator of longevity according to LeeLoo I believe, of all the composite nodal squares. Everybody works with Saturn/Uranus energy differently. I am a Saturn/Uranus conjunction native so I know... it's very difficult to tell which planet is going to be in effect at any given time except that Saturn is in its domicile in my chart and at the Aries point in Capricorn so it usually wins. They're both my IC rulers so that bears considering... Anyway todd has helpfully pointed out a VERY significant Saturn contact--Saturn square Node which denotes fatedness and difficulty ever completely detaching but nevertheless a difficulty in making it work, in synastry anyway it's really powrrful but not exactly "happily ever after"--according to LeeLoo though (please correct me if I'm wrong!)--it's a positive indicator of longevity in a composite chart. Relationships with Mars/Neptune squares are as diverse in their manifestations as the individuals involved.
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yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
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posted March 18, 2016 05:42 PM
In this chart the final dispositor of Saturn and Uranus is Mars. Mars kinda rules the chart in a lot of ways and will determine the course of things. Mars in the 12th might make it difficult to understand the source of conflict/energy in the relationship--which might sometimes feel quite otherworldly and might sometimes bubble up in destructive ways but this depends on the natives again, their spiritual maturity. I love to see Jupiter in the 1st in a composite... good feelings and positive outcomes are likely, an experience characterized by learning and expansion...IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 2042
From: red river valley
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted March 18, 2016 05:48 PM
Astrology is not that good at helping folks avoid situations and meetings which will help them grow. If it's blossomed into a LOVE feeling this makes it likely the universe has ushered you here for a reason. This relationship will likely help you somehow; obviously that could look like letting it go because you sense it isn't in your long term best interest. But follow your gut and remember what you've learned from the charts. Todd makes good points, so does everyone. Take what everyone says and do your best considering whether it resonates with you on a deep real level. IP: Logged |
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