posted March 17, 2016 02:56 PM            

There is a thor's hammer with venus square jupiter and chiron at the apex and valentine conjunct karma.

It also has a southnode kite and a nodal butterfly, it has some lovely patterns.

posted March 19, 2016 06:58 AM            

NN in the 12th sq Neptune looks good for the idea of chaos, abyss, so is Pluto in the 8th.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted March 19, 2016 12:32 PM            

Apophis is in Leo @24d09 forming a Yod with atropos sextile chiron.

I dont know time of discovery so house placements may be off.

posted March 19, 2016 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
sorry, I did not reply sooner, but I just don`t resonate with this chart at the moment.

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Its ok if inspiration does not strike.

I just find it intrigging how the south node kite and northnode butterfly are connected and that venus is part of the north node butterfly which is the counterpart of mars and the opposing theme to destruction but venus is also part of the thor's hammer.

Guys is like venus is the key here yet there is resistance and criticism for going that route for choosing love instead of war and destruction or vengeance and for choosing love to heal and creating laws that lead to peace.

The nodal patterns interlinking with the thor's hammer with jupiter connecting is what sticks out to me and I am trying to interpret.

posted March 19, 2016 01:42 PM            

Or since Mars is disposited by the moon which conjuncts saturn and is part of the southnode kite it can also mean; unable to obtain what is desired or having obstacles getting what the heart seeks, having to let go if one catches what is obtained as southnode has a separating effect.

Come to think of it that moon conjunct saturn as part of the southnode kite with jupiter at the front could also mean outgrowing the need to put on barriers that keep you away from love and falling in love. Much more positive interpretarion!

This then leads us to the north node butterfly..

posted March 19, 2016 02:20 PM            

If you are in love with somebody, and you have moved past the initial stage of simple attraction to them, then undoubtedly this love that you feel is not composed entirely of the wonders that this person projects. If that were true or possible, then we could all love film stars and have no need of real, difficult, messy and all too human relationships. Love is as much about fulfilling our needs, shoring up our weaknesses and compensating for our insecurities as it ever is about existing in a state of perpetual rapture about your partner’s marvelous sense of humor, bone structure or ability to look hot in uniform. Fundamentally, it is about how they make you feel, and if you consider that, then your love for that person will be based equally for the way that they stop you from feeling insecure and negative as it is about how they make you feel secure and positive, too.

Put simply then, this means that our ability to love is based as much on what we need as it is upon what somebody else can give. Ultimately, it ought to be like two pieces of a jigsaw, a compensatory mechanism where your strengths support your partner’s weaknesses and vice versa.

Astrologically, it is clear that Venus alone does not tell us the whole story in the rarefied realms of human love. Mars adds spice and passion, but he too does not complete the picture. The Moon is helpful — she speaks to those deeply habituated needs we have learned — but even under her pale influence we do not yet have the complete formula for this most elusive of elixirs.

True love cannot be made without Chiron.

posted March 19, 2016 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

True love cannot be made without Chiron.

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posted March 19, 2016 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I believe that is very true (and as becomes clear in the article, too, it is NOT the Cinderella kind of thing. Chironic love asks for the courage to be very naked with someone else, soulwise, and that is not an easy feat)

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Yes it defenitely expands my view of chiron. You have to be vulnerable to feel love at its deepest possible level and chiron is the vehicle that transports you to those depths..I suppose that is why pain and love go hand in hand; the more vulnerable you are the deeper you can love but the more likely you are to get hurt too.

I suppose the odd thing is that chiron is part of a square yod in this discovery chart so it speaks of a love people around you or society does not approve of that feels inevitable due to the atropos Yod and its disapproval may lead to its destruction or end and heartbreak but if it doesn't you are left with the gift of the butterfly pattern; a love that makes you feel like you are flying and heading in the right direction towards growing into your north node.

Prominent in the chart it may also indicate an unconventional love journey that receives a lot of criticism at worse or at best makes others feel puzzled about the native's love choices etc..

I have venus conjunct apophis and that is fitting. Since the age of 12 I have received ongoing citicism or disapproval for my unconventional choices in love...

Understanding thor's hammer: http://blog.virgovault.com/2011/04/16/astrology-aspects-how-the-sesquiquadrate-functions-part-two/

posted March 19, 2016 03:31 PM            

I think you did an awesome job in interpreting that discovery chart here. Expands MY view definitely.

BTW some years ago I wrote some bit on Chiron, and that somehow shaped my view (sometimes, I swear, I have no clue where what I write is coming from, cause I often end up being the most surprised going: Oh so THAT is what it`s about? )

This was the bit

posted March 19, 2016 03:38 PM            

oh today Apophis is conjunct Truth. ? !

my Apophis is on 25.57 Libra in 10th house conjunct Apollo and Adonis, no clue what to make of this

his Apophis is on 22.24 Aquarius on our Psyche-conjunction. hmm

oh composite Apophis is on 24.10 Sag, pretty close to Sun 26.27 Sag

posted March 19, 2016 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hypatia,

I think you did an awesome job in interpreting that discovery chart here. Expands MY view definitely.

BTW some years ago I wrote some bit on Chiron, and that somehow shaped my view (sometimes, I swear, I have no clue where what I write is coming from, cause I often end up being the most surprised going: Oh so THAT is what it`s about? )

This was the bit

"Yes, Chiron is strange.
But in a strange way it is also deep soulstuff, I find that it renders someone completely vulnerable. As if you had shed every protective skin, and you can only hope the other one will not hurt you so much, that it might destroy you. Sort of like your core lies totally open, and you don`t have any kind of defenses."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoQqkfBURw

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TVM.

Wow beautiful.......you have a way with words and a gift describing things. I love reading your writting.

posted March 19, 2016 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Let me see where my Apophis is

oh today Apophis is conjunct Truth. ? !

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posted March 19, 2016 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

my Apophis is on 25.57 Libra in 10th house conjunct Apollo and Adonis, no clue what to make of this

his Apophis is on 22.24 Aquarius on our Psyche-conjunction. hmm

oh composite Apophis is on 24.10 Sag, pretty close to Sun 26.27 Sag

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wow interesting!

I have apophis conjunct sun exact in composite with my ex too!

I felt the most vulnerable with him, my love for him ran super deep and yes my mom, sister and best friend all disapproved of him....I didn't get that support that I needed.

posted March 19, 2016 09:48 PM            

Found some interesting thoughts to chew on over here:
http://erosastrology.proboards.com/thread/295/asteroid-99942-apophis

"Issues such as time and death mean nothing to Apophis; perhaps this near-Earth asteroid is quite symbolic for other fears we may have, fears concerning our own existance and levels to it? "

posted March 20, 2016 01:19 AM            

Perhaps Apophis conjunct Sun in composite could indicate someone who has a huge impact on you for better and worse along with all the other observations I made based on the discovery chart.

I want to clarify that my conclusions were arrived from the discovery chart not from the fact that is named after an asteroid that almost hit the earth.

Its an asteroid that pushes you to experience love at a deeper level that leads you to making decisions about love hard to understand by others or society. If there is fear of opening up apophis deals with that fear by destroying those barriers that prevents you from opening up so with that person that apophis is active in synastry or composite you will be able to open up to more than usual and in a more raw way.

So perhaps Sun conjunct Apophis in composite represents that person that gets you to pull down ALL barriers for you to experience love to its fullest leaving you completely naked to experience a very raw soul to soul contact.