posted April 04, 2016 05:47 PM            

First D.'s natal (she didn't read mine as we've done that before):

Sag- Gem North Node 1st/7th house

Away from instincts, towards logic//coolness, taking a step back, getting perspective on relationship. He is learning how to do this. Tendency is to go Neptunian route. Not the right thing for him. Jupiter conjunct Descendant- 6th house side.. out of balance. Needs to find balance. Neptune, Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, Saturn retrograde
Jup/Ura descendant= whole hog into something, then pull away. on again off again. looking for somebody distant, untouchable.

Genius/big disaster. Adventurous, forward moving, intellectual, visionary... one to one relationship harder for this
Pisces house-11th (ruled by jup.nep) friendships turn into something more
sun/moon in 11th, friendly. doing his own thing.

Aries: funny, love aries, make their own mistakes. do their own thing, get it wrong, fix it. bumping his head, stubbing his own toe.. always going to be relationships, doesn't know what he's doing..

Purity of "I am" in his chart- taurus stubborn... neptune-did too much, no boundary.. see-saws between independence and then the neptunian side of things... trouble from both ends. incredibly naive about relationships..
doesn't understand about equality-
Juno square Asc/Desc... goes for relationship drama a lot. big gesture, extreme thing. Red flag.

Saturn/Pluto conjunction very difficult. Trying to build.. something knocks it down. Life precarious, what you make gets ruined.. by you or by other people.. building things on sand they get knocked over.

Mars opposite this-- mars/saturn- doesn't really want to grow up. mars/pluto-- don't go after desires properly.. too wrappedup in myself/all about me-- a need to learn to deal with other people. especially with pluto in libra here. young guy must start growing up.. mars/pluto all about desire-- must learn to have a purpose for the desire>
mars 12th-anti-vertex, affects relationships, mercury is there.. an unconscious wilfullness, unconscious immaturity. needs to change.. personality trait has to do with growth. needs to learn to know what's going on, be clear about his own motives.

moon square the nodes- your job is to really own that moon. understand about the feelings involved. understand about the impulsiveness. your past, your feelings, your sense of who you are, comfort, clarity, bring them in--can't deny them, understanding your own emotional truth is a big challenge. your feelings are legitimate. your own wants and needs are legitimate. rather than going off impulsively, to really know it and understand it. find a mean between instinct and intellect. be wise, have an emotional intelligence.

Venus-Chiron in 12th insecurities, not good enough... Venus quincunx Neptune-- doesn't know he's projecting this onto his partners because he feels inadequate.. Venus quincunx Pluto- unaware he is manipulating people but it's the only way to do things because
You really have to use the relationship between Neptune and Pluto.. make the dreams into reality, we are all given the opportunity to do this. You have to incorporate that planet. Dealing with this sense of inadequacy, this woundedness. Needs to be contended with before he becomes mature in a real way

Yod - Pluto-quincunx-Moon-Venus/Chiron..
You feel as though you're being devoured... secret thing whispering into his ear in the middle of the night... he can't feel or understand it directly... unnamed insecurities... lots of quincunxes. Doesn't understand his own motivations. Path to growth is much more difficult, doesn't know where he's going.

Quincunx- Mercury/Uranus... genius element.. great potential when they are connected in any way

11th house represents your audience if you're a performer. 5th house personal creativity/expression, ruled by Mercury, very work oriented then. 11th house is how you relate to the people who are receiving your creativity. Moon, Sun, Juno... work situation an easier time of it.

Musicians slippery- Neptunian vibe.. thing that allows them to do what they do is the same which allows them to not tether themselves to the earth in any way.

Relationship very very difficult for him, in a genuine way.. not intentionally manipulative..
inner conflict all about embracing getting older, growing up...

Uranus on his Sun-- often feels like an ending-- you must know one thing is over before next thing can begin. Saturn pressure on the angle, not going to be easy. especially with the nodes on the 7th and the 1st

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Kaaara's progressed chart

Venus/Asc- indicator of a relationship, always. somebody comes into my life. normal relationship, some significant other happens. midheaven/node/juno

Nodes on an angle, juno helping it along. Juno there is an issue about being equal in a relationship. We both need to work it out. Moon/Saturn/Neptune making a nice trine to all that. Nice tight trine, next 3 months, as moon goes over neptune. tendency to want to be very romantic, very real. Good news for romance. Romance is available. Midheaven quincunx mars another year/year and a half, about me (4th house) trying to establish roots. Settle down.

Something real, a foundation, a home. Must be articulated, especially in this relationship; not getting my say; I must put up with everything. Not right, not helping. Put myself out there, get what I want, get what I need. Not going to work to just do it for someone's sake. Arie

Ceres 4th house, trine ascendant, she can wield the weapon. cutting something off. about out of the danger zone. she is capable of wielding that scythe.. careful of her.. my own hunger, my own needs. make sure someone knows

Mercury/Lilith square... owning my power, owning my sexual power.. knowing I have that power and influence. learning how to wield it. mercury rules south node. a skill we have forgotten. Feminine power, respect for all things that are deeply feminine... respect for the constant renewal of physical life, Owning this is a challenge important to me now, how to move into this north node. Do not be passive. I need to stand my ground.

It is going to be particularly hard when my Moon goes over Neptune over next 3/4 months
Dont' be boundary free Neptune be the compassionate one,,, express the best of the node, transiting neptune also going over the IC and the North Node.. tricky. Neptunian over the next 4 months.

Nodes need balance-- hold onto that Mars (yod between Neptune Mars and Midheaven.
Don't relinquish Virgo, need that Mercury, need that Neptune.

His progressions---

Mars/Chiron.. definitely about desire. feeling wounded about the way you express yourself. Mars/Pluto quincunx. This is the time to change that Mars. It can't be so willful, can't be so selfish. Other people are involved and he's going to have to learn to compromise. Hold on to your Neptune but hold on to the Gemini at the same time. Both of us have these mercury lessons that we need to contend with right now.

He's going through a period where his progressed moon-chart ruler- moving through 12th house. series of endings. no wonder he feels that his life is ending. not only saturn in 5th-- going over north node, karma involved... waiting for progressed moon to hit north node in about a year and 2 months.. that's the point where he can't resist growing up anymore. Right now he's in balsamic phase of that moon... closing up on that phase of life... going into 1st house it will be a rebirth, moon will be in 1st house. going through a lot of karma right now... karmic attractions, lessons to learn, been sitting on the back burner a really long time. Mars/Juno sextile-- notion of equality is there.

mercury retrograde, north node taking its time. a while before mercury resolves itself-- working hard on that north node.

another quincunx between venus/black moon. working with issues of female power. wanting to be seduced. what's his susceptibility and his vulnerability-- what does he want what does he expect- try to control, unable to. I need to wield that power.

Women have to understand the ruthlessness of the male psyche -Jung.

backwards about the power of the other sex.
he's definitely dealing with the void, with the dark side...
i represent the black moon lilith- he's in the mood for Lilith

mars/chiron conjunction at the apex of a yod between pluto and neptune... puts it into perspective... mars/pluto is wounded, not working well. sun/ceres square not getting his needs met, not clear on why that's not happening... he's feeling but it's not working

pallas double inconjunct to the nodes-- you need to get perspective on these nodes. what are you doing why are you doing it what's this boundary problem.. over-generosity of jupiter/uranus and the need to expand and the need to control... you don't need any of that maybe.

grow up. life is all about limitations, we need to make commitments. if we don't we don't have anything. we need purpose

he needs to find an equal partner, not someone he can push around or someone who pushes him around. he needs someone he can work with, needs to know what he's going after, not something random. he needs to know who he is (this is what we're wanting from the nodes)

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Natal Charts together
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Saturn- very vulnerable, containment of desire.. i am giving it to him effortlessly... i give guidance to his saturn, a place for him to rest. makes him feel as if it's working. if anything goes wrong it would be me, feeling oppressed or stomped on. pressure for me to knuckle under all the time, doesn't suit me. saturn/pluto feels oppressive.
Under his thumb in some way. Not true, but feels like there's overhwelming fate, destiny. He's learning about his own power through me. Using thsi relationship to figure out where his own boundaries are and how far he can go with things. Must bring things out in the open, only way to deal with Pluto
Vesta work on his Saturn, rather than the other way. My desires and my sacredness-- they are not not good enough for him. Vesta to Saturn: Shape up, Find something to devote yourself to. Don't just be repressed all the time, don't feel there

Jupiter/Uranus my anti vertex

Saturn/uranus on his south node, stomping on his neptune. he needs it stomped on... but i need to make a judgment about how far this could/should go... painful for saturn to be on neptune... all the dreams, all the artistry... liberated from yourself for a while...

saturn/Uranus ((my natal conjunction))... sometimes free, sometimes commit.. back and forth back and forth... Neptune there could possibly help me.

abandonment issues between us... feeling of abandonment come up, causing both of us to take another look.. if it gets painful... maybe it's something we've carried over...
that karma is his fear of commitment

midheaven-ic juxtaposed... always an indicator that we are coming from the same place. we are connected.. when we are together the missing pieces get connected and it's easier to be together than to be apart. his ceres is there, something nurturing about it at least at first. we can nurture one another, stimulate one another. family connection between us

double juno-node thing... nodes-juno
juno issue between the two of us. his juno pisces, mine virgo-- in order for me to feel equal there needs to be a certain amount of practicality. what we like what we expect.. work with the partner, be involved in a professional way. juno 11th- expects support, permanent audience... north node accept juno i can learn a lot from this guy.

moon-mars conjunction sexual attraction. much much hotter than venus-mars. something important there... an emotional attraction, a compulsion to open up... just as emotional as it is sexual, as much psychological as sexual.. much much more of a turn on.. mars/venus is just desire

mars in adjacent signs... two very very different. mars in aries needs to move, aggressive, excited... mars taurus, practical, slower, steadier... lack of attraction later on.

moon mars enough stimulation. venus adapts to anything... mars-mars pretty compulsive. must keep track of mars-mars. off on different tangents

sun-venus much more important than a lot of different aspects

novile-initiation... completion.. taking someone to another level in some way. jupiter/ascendant alleviate something...

Double angles/ exact midpoint ((this is what I was talking about, she referencing how in our composite the angles are reversed due to an exact midpoint situation or something)).. Leo Aquarius
Composite - about growth.
From the Aquarius side, everything is in the 12th... moon/sun/vertex/mercury/anti-vertex 12th... lots of karma... opposite venus in the 6th
We need to work it out together. Feels very compelling. Looking for balance with Venus in the 6th.. make this real in some way. may have been a lot of issues in the past. behaviour that came between us.. we need the independence the warmth of venus in the 6th in order to get that going.
uranus in the 11th.. trine mars, sexuality, sextile moon- physical.. exciting, stimulating.. uranus trine vertex
looking to be stimulated. need that nodal push both of us, trying to get it together. asking for growth in this life.
uranus grand trine- vertex, mars... growth... knowing who we are
composite nodes in 3rd and 9th... what's real vs what we believe is real. grounding this relationship in real life. getting beyond the ephemeral feel to it. if this is what we want we have to work for it, like ordinary people do. not just going to fall into place..
Venus square Pluto, opposing Sun... grounding the 12th house potential in every day reality in a romantic context
Sun square Nodes means lessons. we're here for this purpose, we're here to do this. Node square
decide what we want make a plan for it
Venus ruling the 4th. Deciding this is what we want and grounding it.
Must be honest, must be real. Karma karma karma... moon anti-vertex.
Generosity here with Ceres and Jupiter conjunct in the 1st house... aquarius rising on again off again... however balanced with the leo venus
Leo as ascendant, get 12th 6th together. Find some balance between the 12th and 6th.
Finding friendship in the relationship... out of the relationship drama and into something more egalitarian, warm... not about these huge gestures... not operatic but real.
Give up addiction to inequality, ground ourselves.
Discover things about ourselves, one another
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Progressed composite
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Indications that the relationship is starting out when it's supposed to start out..
Sun midpoint of Jupiter and Mercury... progressed Moon is going over the descendant and into the 7th house.. Neptune sextile Jupiter, emphasizes the Pisces, descendant ruler here. There you go.
Chiron-Juno both squaring the Ascendant.
Saying: ok this is going to be really hard for us to find a way to work this all out between us... but we have to. we have to learn to get this together. One of the purposes of the relationship. Juno opposite Uranus... something needs to be awakened in one or both of us..
Juno playing very important role in both of our charts..
Juno is potent in all of these charts. It's about equality, everybody getting their due in the relationship... fights for civil rights.
Juno has to be incorporated. must acknowledge must understand it. juno must be part of the partnership.
Anything square an angle or square the nodes or square the vertex. must be incorportated.
asc square nodes... nodes difficult anyway... pushing pushing pushing all the time. just by being.
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Draconic
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Kara vs Draconic Kara
Lining of a coat... the natal chart is the coat... draconic is the lining... active
modifies my chart (say mars is on ascendant- put saturn there.. more info)
Draconic chart- how we move within our nodes... moving from libran to who we actually are, arian...
guide us to the pure sense of I
discover who we really are
Juno on the midheaven
Draconic Midheaven on 1 Virgo.
there's Juno, highlighted. ((conjunct Juno))
Draconic Juno on natal Lilith... coming to terms with this female power... remaining an equal partner. a big challenge for me. really really crucial.
Draconic Venus conjunct my ascendant... between ascendant and mercury... makes me much more venusian... much more relationship oriented than the scorpio rising we see.
very intense because of the 7 degree scorpio
draconic ascendant on my sun
that means i have to express this sun... express who i am.. being who i am as intensely as possible.. owning this scorpio energy is on the agenda. i need to BE scorpio. embrace it, be it, don't try to be something else somebody else...
5th house - mars on draconic north node... puts mars in a special position... so it's stimulated as it is in this relationship. mars i have to pay attention to. the grasping of my sexuality. the need to follow my desires.. all of those things that will work for me to become more of who i really am. that is crucially important.
draconic chart mitigating my natal chart in a really important way. being myself, embracing this venus in the 1st house.. embracing this 5th house mars.. much to do with my growth and my nodal growth. juno relationship is really the key to it.
why am i attracted to all of these people with saturn? possible that the uranus has distorted my saturn in some way... i need to get ahold of that moon-saturn. looking for it in other people because i don't really get it in myself. No escaping it. very good reason.
Saturn/Uranus humanitarian purposes.. anchor myself in change, change is inevitable, anchor myself in change.. change is inevitable.. do not try to hold onto anything for too long and then you can use that ... everything is changeable in flow and in flux
stop looking for security outside yourself.
saturn security in doing the right thing... saturn progress when aquarian... moving forward
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Dave's Draconic
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Draconic Moon on his Neptune.. Moon South Node.. emphasizes the Neptune to a huge extent. Neptune not just about relationships but about his entire being, emotional confusion about not having any boundaries... a little worrisome. terrifically inspired..
Double-whammy... Draconic Juno on his Descendant... Draconic Descendant falls on his Juno... crazy. Angular Juno both ways in his chart. Primary thing. Deal with equality, deal with boundaries. Moon Draconic North node, deal with my emotions. my emotions are genuine. must learn to express my emotions...
Neptune factor as far as the moon is concerned... Double whammy moon-neptune
Draconic Sun on Pallas... art of creativity. About above and below, seeing the patterns in things. A tremendous amount of creative energy here, and creative spirit. Sun--Vesta on Pallas.
Vertex on Black Moon Lilith. Draconic Vertex and Mars conjuncting the Black Moon.
Dealing with desire... cold raw feminine... the dark goddess... huge issue in his chart.
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Draconic David + Kara's Natal
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Draconic Black Moon Lilith on my Ascendant. One of the reasons he feels so compelled to be with me. I am facilitating my own Black Moon. very important.
A real sense of belonging with my Moon and his Moon... his draconic moon is conjunct my natal moon. 1 degree cap 8 degrees cap. Moon falls on my Saturn... i am understood. i belong. feels really comfortable
Draconic affect people very strongly,, can't figure it out, can't control it. At the mercy of his draconic chart. he can't do anything about it.
HIs draconic ascendant conjunct my north node/ceres... nodal contact in the extreme. There to help me with the growth of my nodes.
Draconic Jupiter/Uranus on my South Node. Nodes tremendously stimulated. Draconic Juno squaring my Nodes.
Remember it's all about the nodes.. it does have a profound effect on what's going on between us. This is why I feel so compelled.
Draconic Kara + David's Natal
((nodal growth how i move from the past to the present... what this person means as far as my growth is concerned))
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My draconic node on his Moon... always. Draconic Mars on his Sun. I am pushing him in some way... stimulating one another to grow. sometimes gets tiring. sometimes it's too much... if you really want to change then you'll embrace it. it's good because his mars is a little problematic. teaching him how to be with his mars what to do with that mars.
Draconic Sun falls on his Jupiter exactly. Embracing that Jupiter, making it warm. Draconic Sun falls on his descendant... one of the best contacts you can have. Will feel my draconic Sun. Will feel Draconic Sun and Draconic Moon. Sun very important. Very much like a natal sun on the descendant.. lighting up that part of the person's life. My Moon/neptune very near his black moon lilith... 5 degree conjunction. near his Pallas also. My Moon/Neptune draconically at the midpoint of lilith and pallas. very creative inspiration for him. act as a muse..
I really understand what he's after.
My Vertex-his Nodes, my Jupiter, his Nodes...
The more genuine I can be, the more his nodes will be stimulated. So that's good.
My draconic venus 7 scorpio... falling on his Vertex. We like Venus Vertex contacts. Someone will bring something pleasant into the life.
Very strong sense of growth, attraction, stimulation. we are compelled to be together. it's really important for us to be together.
Sometimes draconic chart will kick in when synastry isn't particularly exciting. We want to be together because of this nodal contact. we need to, need to have that
Davison Chart
Promising. Jupiter on descendant
Venus-Sun-Mercury conjunction in the 6th
Moon at 19 Leo opposite Jupiter. Lots of generosity of spirit between the two of us. We're here to help each other grow, here for balance.
We need to get away from the relationship drama that we have a tendency to get into. Moon in the 12th, about healing, about balance, karmic-- learning to be free, yet being committed to one another. Finding a purpose. Learning how to use that-- working together towards something. Huge. Finding something to do with one another.
In the davison chart she likes that we have a Saturn-Juno in the 4th. stabilizes a great deal.
Midpoint= potential, spiritual sense... Davison= every day, day to day lives.. what may or may not be problematic.
Davison= very promising. Could have a very balanced life together. Problems regarding growth and both of us going forward in the same direction.
Looks pretty good pretty stable. No damage from Neptune.
Looks as though the Sun is square the Nodes... find balance within the relationship equality... Aquarius. Moving forward. Aquarius outside of the silly roleplaying games of gender. Appreciating one another for who they really are. This is a big deal.

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Look at Davison, look at progressed Davison
Mars and Juno are conjunct in the progressed Davison (of course).
Relationship has a purpose, has a lot of karma. Stick with what I have to learn