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angel4845
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posted April 14, 2016 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey lotiswhite,

I have a question for you on quincunxs in SYNASTRY. I read your article on it and I certainly agree with your objective understanding on the aspect. However, I would love to ask if you could elaborate on it more on synastry or is it really that simple to understand? Im probably over analyzing too much

Synastry involving quincunxes can take on a similar vibe to the paragraph above. When this aspect is present in the synastry, the people involved may feel somewhat uncomfortable with the intensity of their own attraction/feelings for one another. Yet, despite a slightly uncomfortable feeling, there’s immense fascination and curiosity in the relationship… And a tendency to want to 'dig deeper' with that person. The two people involved will subtly ‘vibe’ each other out, creating a frustrating kind of tension… It’s hard to be direct with each other, as each partner is trying to figure out what the other one is up to first.

I know you talk about it a lot in the natal but I would love to ask you how you feel about it more in synastry. I could give you an example of the QUINCUNX that im dealing with someone at the moment and I find it very intriguing.

His sun/Venus in scorpio in the 9th house QUINCUNX my moon in aries in the 7th house EXACT. Also how do you feel about YODS in synastry? Especially involving personal and luminary planets? The sextile would be my moon and his mars.

i understand if your busy and I will not take it personally if I don't hear from you

thank you Lotiswhite

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posted April 15, 2016 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi angel4845,

Had a quick look at you question. And will be back later...

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posted April 15, 2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi angel4845,

Had a quick look at you question. And will be back later...


Thank you lotiswhite take your time

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posted April 18, 2016 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before I begin I’ve got to say I’ve never really paid that much attention to yods. I know they are significant but as to how I’m not really an expert. So that part I’ll leave for you to ponder.

As for the synastry of quincunxes. I found it interesting that it’s your Moon in ARIES quincunx his Sun is SCORPIO, the reason being that most aspects seem to take on the qualities of the signs they occur in as part of the natural zodiac. If you use the universal starting point of Aries, the quincunx signs are Virgo and Scorpio. So an Aries/Scorpio quincunx is very ‘pure’ in a way. It’s also worth noting that Aries and Scorpio shear the same ruler (or co-ruler in Scorpio’s case), and I’ve often wondered is there is something potent energetically about Scorpio/Aries quincunxes and Taurus/Libra ones too.

To Aries, Scorpio represents the 8th house mystery and intimacy. When there is a quincunx in synastry (by degree) it makes the Aries planet person very curious about the Scorpio planet person. There’s a desire to know what’s really going on beyond the surface with the Scorpio, and to know what make them tick. Aries can be very direct and open about their curiosity, but Scorpio waits until the feel ready to reveal what’s up their sleeve, and they have the patience to stick it out. Because it’s your Moon in Aries, I’d say your curiosity about Scorpio is tied to your sense of security somehow.

To Scorpio, Aries represents the 6th house of rearrangement and improvement. Scorpio planets often find the Aries planet helpful to them in some way. Your very presence illuminates certain issues to do with how he utilizes his self-expression, and ways of showing affection. Sometimes there may be a feeling of disconnect between you, and this can feel awkward at times. It’s like his slow and probing Scorpion tendencies don’t know quite what to do with your Aries spontaneity and directness of emotional expression. When such encounters happen this often leads to some self-reflection on his part, so that the next time you meet he may modify his reactions or behavior somewhat, to produce a more smooth interaction.

He might freeze up on you occasionally, as if he needs to reconsider something, and then come back to you later once he’s figured out the right approach. Something about you would inspire a process of trial and error within him, as he seeks to improve the way he interacts with you. In a way he admires your Aries qualities, and probably feels he could learn a few things from the way you emote. He may also feel a desire to ‘fix’ whatever it is about your interactions that he finds unnerving. This is probably because he want to make a good impression. From your side, you feel a strong urge understand why he does what he does, and could find it a bit frustrating when he back tracks from you, only to pop up again later with a new approach. Both of you feel a desire to get to the bottom of what’s going on between you. More likely you want to know what he privately thinks, and he want to know the ‘right’ way to connect to get a good response.

Quincunxes often inspire a desire for CLARIFICATION between people, and the two people tend to maneuver around each other in various ways, in an attempt to get this clarification. They try different methods of doing things together, and sometimes there’s a bit of fumbling and misunderstanding along the way.

With the Aries/Scorpio quincunx, private Scorpio admires the authenticity and openness of Aries, and feels they could improve upon themselves by learning some tips from Aries. And it may take them a while to figure out how they’d like to approach a situation with the Aries person, as they’d like to do it ‘the proper way’. Meanwhile the Aries person could start getting impatient, wondering why they can’t get an answer out of Scorpio straight away. Aries may find Scorpio’s reluctance to act mystifying. They start wondering what exactly is going on with the Scorpio person anyway, especially since the Scorpio person already fascinates them. Aries can sense some intense undercurrents in the Scorpio person’s nature. But what is that intensity all about? This is one type of misunderstanding that can occur.

Another misunderstanding that can happen is that sometimes the Aries person may be so concerned with getting their point across, or expressing certain concerns (Aries can be pretty full on), that they miss subtle cues from the Scorpio person (the Scorpio person’s effort to connect) and then Scorpio person can feel like their efforts are being ignored. This can lead to hurt feelings on either side, because when Aries notices that Scorpio is getting moody and distant, they wonder what the problem is and may feel rejected.

It’s not all bad though, after hashing things out together a few times, these two very different signs start to come to grips with where the other is coming form. Aries loves to find out about experiences the Scorpio person has been through in life, and to hear about their personal take on this. They feel the Scorpio person can give them a lot of insight into various situations in life. Especially psychological stuff. Scorpio too, appreciates the insight they learn about from the Aries person. It’s like the Aries person is able to point them in the right direction to do things in a ‘better’ way, and they find Aries to be a useful ally to keep around. Scorpio often cares a lot about perfecting the connection they have with Aries (even though nothing can be perfect), and tries hard to fix any problems that arise.

While it’s true that Scorpio is the 8th sign from Aries, and that Aries is the 6th sign from Scorpio, things are not always as clear cut as I’ve mentioned above. The general meaning will apply, but… there’s some blurring of roles at times. Sometimes the Aries person will feel inspired to change their methods, and to get things done the ’right’ way because of the Scorpio person. And sometimes the Scorpio person wonders what’s really going on inside the Aries person’s head, and what their motivations are. There may be some flip flop between a 6th house mode, or an 8th house mode, in the relationship. I was very clear cut in the descriptions above so that the two different modes of behavior with this quincunx would be apparent. The distinctions above do apply but there’s some flexibility there.

Getting back to specifics in the two natal charts, Sun/Moon and Venus/Moon aspects are typical attraction aspects, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a bit of a spark. Although, with the quincunx the connection is a bit strange and awkward. But when two aliens get together they so much that’s different and learn about each other. The undercurrents themselves are what makes the connection a fascinating and illuminating one. Why is this other person so weird?… Lets find out. It’s that sort of feeling.

With his 9th house planets quincunx your 7th house Moon, it’s like there are some issues with adapting his morel code/world view to your relating style. Is there any reason he might have a morel issue getting involved with you? Are you a lot younger/older? Or is one of you taken? It’s like he sees you as having charm but may have qualms about being with you for some reason. Like he’d feel funny about it, and you might feel funny about making him feel that way in the first place. I hope this makes sense. It’s not impossible but there’d have to be some negotiations around him feeling morally okay about being with you, and you not feeling like you’re putting him in an awkward situation for the sake of the relationship. Other factors in the synastry could overcome this though, especially soft aspects which pave an easy way towards things.

Anway angel4845, I hope this was helpful to your understanding this connection. Please let me know how this fits.

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posted April 18, 2016 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 19, 2016 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi angel4845,

Thanks for your elaborate response. I’ve read it all so you can delete what you need to. It’s good to know if an interpretation is hitting the right notes so to speak, as most of my stuff is based on observation, so I guess I’m getting it mostly right with the quincunx.

After I’ve read your post, the 9th house/7th house thing could be about freedom vs. relationship, and not only some type of morel issue.

How I’ figured out the 8th house/6th house thing is like this…

When Aries is on the 1st house then Scorpio sits in the 8th house, so from the Aries person’s perspective the Scorpio person represents the 8th house. Meanwhile, when Scorpio is on the 1st house then Aries sits in the 6th house, and so from the Scorpio person’s perspective Aries represents the 6th house. You can really do this with any aspects to gage how each person will respond to it on an energetic level. You can look at the signs and natal chart houses, and then look at how the signs relate when you make each one the 1st house, as above.

What you were saying abut fate. Personally, I’m always cautious about jumping to conclusions about the meanings behinds things. Sometimes we can convince ourselves that we’re meant to be with a certain person, or that we’re not meant to like a certain person, based purely on astro configurations. While it’s possible to do this to some extent, it’s also true that the same aspect can have different meanings. Sometimes a Uranus hard aspect is just about crazy intensity, but other times it can show real strife and disruption. It was perceptive of you to predict your own break-up using astrology. There must have been an intuitive reason for this too, like you could sense the end coming? In a different relationship the same configuration may have had a totally different meaning. Like the couple gets an unexpected surprise that they face together. I always tread carefully before I assume anything just to be on the safe side. Our intuition when combined with astrology usually points us in more or less the right direction though, and it’s good to get validation. It’s good to have an open mind about what may come too. Sometimes what comes is not what we expected.

Anyway, wish you the best.

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