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Topic: Marriage Timing - research aspect
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Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 11:57 AM
  
It seems that for the several charts I have checked recently ( not many, but still..) - at the time of the marriage there was ALWAYS ( 100% hit) an aspect - conj, trine, sextile, square, oppost or inconjunction- between the 1st and 7th house RULERS in their natal & progressed chart, for each person separately. Can you, please, check yours or someone else that you know their wedding day, and look at their or yours progressed and natal charts and see if there was an aspect between the 1st and the 7th ruler?
You need to look very closely because it can be easily overlooked. Also, if the house has two rulers, check both of them. check for any of these aspects:
1) natal 1st to prog 7th ruler
2) natal 7th to prog 1st ruler
3) prog 1st to prog 7th ruler
4) the natal 1st and 7th rulers coming into an aspect in the progressed chart
5) prog 1st to natal 7th
6) prog 7th to natal 1st
often, there also is an aspect between the 7th house ruler and Venus as well.
All charts I checked so far has that aspect, so my curiosity about the validity of this indicator is high now.
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Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 12:05 PM
oh that is interesting. 100% results are always intriguing to me, and symbolically wouldn`t it make so much sense?
I will check my parents chart
BTW did you used the position of the ruler of the progressed ASC?
Or did you use the progressed degree of the ruler of the natal ASC?
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Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 12:18 PM
Mom:not fitting your theory but I notice pMoon conjunct pASC in Cancer (ruler 1 on ASC)
anyway as to your requested ones:
nope, unfortunately no match, however.... p DESC-ruler square natal ASC-DESC exact p DESC trine p ASC-ruler exact p Venus conjunct n DESC-ruler my Dad
-------- p Venus sextile p DESC
(p Venus conjunct n Sun)
(pASC conjunct n Juno)
But I donīt find an interconnection between 1st and 7th ruler 
Well the year before,w hen they got engaged, his pMars was trine his n Venus, and in progressions just some years before signs had changed and he was starting pASC in Libra. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 7859
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posted April 30, 2016 12:35 PM
Ceri,Im only looking for aspects between the rulers.
Did you check #4 in your parents charts?
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Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 01:07 PM
Yes I checked. But notging. Sorry IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 01:17 PM
For both of them? I find this hard to believeIP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 01:56 PM
let me check again, maybe I missed something.
my Mom has ASC in Cancer, and it was still in Cancer when she got married, so for her Moon and Saturn are the important ones
n Moon 28 Virgo
n Saturn 09 Libra
p Moon 29 Cancer
p Saturn 11 Libra
no, there is no aspect from Moon to Saturn. my Dad has Virgo ASC, so Mercury-Neptune are the rulers of his horizon; when he got married he had p ASC in Libra, so I am checking Venus and Mars, too n Mercury 18 Cap
n Neptune 19 Libra p Mercury 5 Aqua
p Neptune 17 Libra p Venus 3 Aqua
p Mars 10 Libra
to have a closer look at Mercury-Neptune
n Mercury 18°50 Cap
p Neptune 17°05 Libra r so far far from being an exact square (the outers move very slowly anyway). so no, I don`t see anything. Do you? IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 02:19 PM
I only see his P Mercury in applying trine to his P Mars, but it's a 5 degree orb, so a bit too wide.What about his Jupiter? the second ruler of his 7th I dont see anything for your mom, mostly because her asc/dsc ruler didnt change signs can you check your brother too? IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 02:27 PM
I just checked Jennifer Anistons progressions for the day she got married to Pitt, and her prog Mars (ruler of her 7th) was in 1 degree applying trine to her natal Venus ( ruler of 1st)yet another case Brad Pitt had a 0 degree square between his prog 1st and natal 7th ruler - Mercury and Jupiter IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 02:39 PM
just checked Brat Pitt progressions for the wedding day with Jolienatal Mercury (ruler of his 7th) in exact 0 degree square to prog Jupiter ( ruler of his 1st) also prog Moon ( prog 7th ruler) in a 3 degree trine to his natal 1st ruler Jupiter. It's interesting in Brad Pitt's case that on his first marriage, he had Prog Mercury in exact square to natal Jupiter,
and on his second marriage, he had natal Mercuty in exact square to his prog Jupiter. His 1st and 7th house rulers are Mercury and Jupiter, and he had a square between them on his both weddings IP: Logged |
mar1982delta
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posted April 30, 2016 02:50 PM
Hello Orange! 
My father's pr. Asc Taurus-ruler Venus quincunx his pr. Dsc ruler Pluto-2 degrees
My mother's natal Asc. Scorpio-ruler Pluto conjunct her natal Dsc ruler Venus in the progressed chart, <1d.
Unfortunately I am on my phone and have difficulty writing the exact degrees right now!
The most impressive that I saw in my mother's progr. Chart though was that her Asc had JUST changed sign - 0 03 Sag with her pr. Jupiter on it exact!!!
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posted April 30, 2016 02:57 PM
Thanks, Mar.I am going to include the Inconjunct aspect too, as it bestows adaption and adjustment to new circumstances. It's interesting that in Pitt's and Jolie's charts - both of their progressed charts featured changing sings for the ASC/DSC.
Jolie's was at 29'50, Brad's was at 0' IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 03:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
I only see his P Mercury in applying trine to his P Mars, but it's a 5 degree orb, so a bit too wide.What about his Jupiter? the second ruler of his 7th
his p Jupiter was at 18 Aqua, so semisextile his n Mercury. But you said only major aspects, right?
As for my Mom - if she was born just 10 minutes later (her bt is pretty much a guess anyway, as it is not known down to the minute, just roundabout), then her p ASC would have been on 00 Leo (which actually makes sense I guess)
so then Sun-Uranus or Sun-Saturn would have been importan t but there was no aspect of either SAturn or Uranus to her pSun or n Sun.
however in their progressed COMPOSITE they were having p ASC on 2 Virgo, and pMercury sextile p Jupiter 0°37a
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posted April 30, 2016 03:05 PM
oh and my brother isn`t married. He keeps on insisting he is not going to be married, though the pregnancy has made him go more mellow on that, so I wouldn`t rule it out for next year maybe.  IP: Logged |
mar1982delta
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posted April 30, 2016 03:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Thanks, Mar.I am going to include the Inconjunct aspect too, as it bestows adaption and adjustment to new circumstances. It's interesting that in Pitt's and Jolie's charts - both of their progressed charts featured changing sings for the ASC/DSC.
Jolie's was at 29'50, Brad's was at 0'
Yes, this is interesting!
Actually in my father's chart the quinqunx is part of a yod which I found impressive, no clue if this was the give away for their marriage lol, but maybe I should mention it!
Yod with pluto conj. Jupiter exact as the apex quincunx venus (2d) and mercury exact! Mercury sextiles venus apparently lol.
Then pr. Uranus right exact on IC (yes the marriage was pretty fast and a surprise 4 months after they first met).
Then he also has pr. Mars exactly conjunct his pr. NN, I know this isnt what you asked, but I thought I should mention the most striking ones in case that helps somehow, hope this isn't a total derailment lol!
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posted April 30, 2016 03:19 PM
When I first got married, I had an exact sextile between the rulers of the prog 1st and 7th - Venus at 8'41 Scorpio to Mars at 8'45 Virgo
I havent paid any attention to this weak sextile, but when I noticed they were the 1st and 7th rulers, i was whoa, not so insignificant.My then-husband had an exact 0.00 sextile between the natal 7th ruler and progressed 1st ruler too - Venus at 5'41 Scorpio to Jupiter at 5'41 Virgo
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posted April 30, 2016 03:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
his p Jupiter was at 18 Aqua, so semisextile his n Mercury. But you said only major aspects, right?
As for my Mom - if she was born just 10 minutes later (her bt is pretty much a guess anyway, as it is not known down to the minute, just roundabout), then her p ASC would have been on 00 Leo (which actually makes sense I guess)
so then Sun-Uranus or Sun-Saturn would have been importan t but there was no aspect of either SAturn or Uranus to her pSun or n Sun.
however in their progressed COMPOSITE they were having p ASC on 2 Virgo, and pMercury sextile p Jupiter 0°37a
if her asc was progressed to leo-aqua, what about interaspects in her charts between Sun or Moon or Saturn or Uranus ? your father had an exact sesquisquadre between P Mercury and nat Neptune. Damn, I wonder if these kind of minor but tense aspects figure out, too IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 03:44 PM
the 8th harm. aspects keep coming up for me, though I mostly traced them in composites. her p Moon was parallel n Uranus with only 6 minutes, but you did not use declinational aspects I guess her p Moon parallel p Uranus with 4 minutes her p moon quintile p Saturn with 8 minutes
her p Saturn semisquares p Sun with 8 minutes
but none of the major aspects
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Lerena
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posted April 30, 2016 04:08 PM
I attempted to "guess" my future marriage date. With the method mentioned here, I did find that my boyfriend and I might get married next year on February 28th. I'm not sure that's accurate, but I'll see what happens and get back to you in a year.Edit: Wow. I have a lot of transits on that day and so does he. We even have some transits to the composite and progressed composite. I wonder how everything will turn out. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 30, 2016 04:18 PM
I'm Leo rising.Wedding day: Pr Sun 9.24 Aquarius
Pr Uranus 7.05 Scorpio So yes --- My husband is Cancer rising. Wedding day: Pr moon 6.52 Aries
Pr Saturn 8.24 Sag True again! IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted April 30, 2016 05:35 PM
Great!. Thanks for confirming, FaithIP: Logged |
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posted April 30, 2016 05:37 PM
Let us know, LarenaGood luck! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 30, 2016 05:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I'm Leo rising.Wedding day: Pr Sun 9.24 Aquarius
Pr Uranus 7.05 Scorpio So yes
Hmm sorry to be a killjoy, but that progression would have been acute one and half a year earlier. on the other hand maybe if something in the transiting was aspecting both?
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posted April 30, 2016 08:37 PM
soo,
any other data from other knowflakes...?IP: Logged |
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posted April 30, 2016 10:16 PM
A few of ours are on the wide side, but they fit your theory.Mine-
Natal 1st ruler: Uranus- 1.09 Scorp Or Saturn 12.21 Cancer
Natal 7th ruler: Sun- 13.58 Aries
Progressed 1st ruler: Neptune- 11.22 Sag or Jupiter- 8.41 Aries
Progressed 7th ruler: Mercury- 9.19 Taurus My husband- Natal 1st ruler: Jupiter- 11.07 Pisces
Natal 7th ruler: Mercury- 23.54 Sag
Progressed 1st ruler: Saturn- 15.25 Can
Progressed 7th ruler: Moon- 7.32 Scorp IP: Logged |
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