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LionFish
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posted May 11, 2016 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
n the synastry chart of B and I we complete each other's t-squares.

His Venus/Moon opposition is completed into a T-square by my Mars.

My Sun/Mars square is completed into a T-square by his Venus.

How would you say this would play out?

I can post charts if need be

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posted May 12, 2016 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 12, 2016 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really wish i could offer some assistance but I had tsquare completion synastry both ways with a man I had been dating since October of last year, well he disappeared at the start of this mercury retrograde.

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posted May 12, 2016 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I really wish i could offer some assistance but I had tsquare completion synastry both ways with a man I had been dating since October of last year, well he disappeared at the start of this mercury retrograde.

I'm so sorry to hear that

Do you mind if I ask the planets involved?

In our case the t-squares are directly on top of each other.

Same pattern in almost identical houses (we share ASC sign in Leo his is just a later degree)

Did you guys have any Saturn aspects? Or Uranus for the abrupt end?

Merc RX can be the pits

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posted May 13, 2016 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bummmmp

Anyone?


I know it's not small potatoes. But just how potent is this? Because I swear this man was made specifically for me and he says the same thing about me.

I'm usually the gushy mushy one, but he has it right back for me. I'm so overwhelmed by his love style being so seemingly perfect for me. When I'm near him I have to remind myself to breathe <3

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posted May 14, 2016 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the orb is within 3 degrees then high attraction is indicated It's not complicated pattern completions in synastry seem to just indicate attraction to the person that feels complete by the other personal planet.

Especially if the person has a venus/moon natal aspet and someones Mars or venus comes to fill that pattern completion for the venus/moon individual they will feel very attracted to the planet person that fills that completion for them but im starting to think that this attraction is both ways from my research I could be wrong....
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posted May 14, 2016 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
If the orb is within 3 degrees then high attraction is indicated It's not complicated pattern completions in synastry seem to just indicate attraction to the person that feels complete by the other personal planet.

Especially if the person has a venus/moon natal aspet and someones Mars or venus comes to fill that pattern completion for the venus/moon individual they will feel very attracted to the planet person that fills that completion for them but im starting to think that this attraction is both ways from my research I could be wrong....


All aspects are less than 3 degrees.
And the attraction is definitely both ways. He cannot get enough of me and I him.

We also have Sun conjunct Moon with my Sun in his 8th and his Moon in my 8th. It's the deepest, most intimate, most compelling connection I've ever had with anyone. Ever.

But about the pattern completion, I find it interesting that it's his Moon/Venus (what men look for in a woman) and my Sun/Mars (what women look for in a man) that are completed. And that it's his Venus and my Mars that do the completing.

It's too perfect

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posted May 14, 2016 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lionfish,

How long have you been in this relationship? Is it new? I would think someone making a t-square for you is not a great thing. Why would you want something bad in your natal made even worse by somebody's square or opposition? I guess it all depends on the planets and houses involved because your t-squares so far resulted in attraction for you two. But I can't imagine it won't cause any major problems in the long term, really. I've had it with my ex and it did not end well. Have it with my mum and we bicker all the time.

Post the synastry wheel and natals please.

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posted May 14, 2016 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Venus squares your Mars - attraction, later friction
His Moon squares your Mars - irritability, hurt feelings/emotions
His Venus opposite your Sun - attraction

Man's sexual planets are not in soft aspect to your sexual planets. Especially you being Mars and Sun here, after some time there will appear a lack of patience on your side. You will assert yourself at his expense. What signs and houses are his Moon and Venus and your Sin and Mars?

Anyways, if t-squares are bad, then these are some of the better ones.

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posted May 14, 2016 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LionFish:
All aspects are less than 3 degrees.
And the attraction is definitely both ways. He cannot get enough of me and I him.

We also have Sun conjunct Moon with my Sun in his 8th and his Moon in my 8th. It's the deepest, most intimate, most compelling connection I've ever had with anyone. Ever.

But about the pattern completion, I find it interesting that it's his Moon/Venus (what men look for in a woman) and my Sun/Mars (what women look for in a man) that are completed. And that it's his Venus and my Mars that do the completing.

It's too perfect


Im sure it is especially if sun conjunct moon both overlaying in the 8th house is present then attraction and compatiblity is likely. Especially if your the moon and he is the sun it is very complimentary. Well i generally prefer the woman as venus and the man Mars but it can go both ways !! And that's just my opinion i have a friend her Mars strongly ASPECTED by his venus and attraction is off the roof however I think it depends on how the female feels does she like having her venus ASPECTED or her Mars or both? I wanna say both but it depends on the individual. Yes what the man looks for in a woman is his personal planets the moon and venus and the 7th ruler and be sure to look for his Juno the sign and the house it is in and the ruler of his Juno. I also like to consider progressed synastry progressed composite tertiary progressions and transits to track future events that occur between the couple that is JUST as important as natal synastry.

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posted May 14, 2016 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCorn:
His Venus squares your Mars - attraction, later friction
His Moon squares your Mars - irritability, hurt feelings/emotions
His Venus opposite your Sun - attraction

Man's sexual planets are not in soft aspect to your sexual planets. Especially you being Mars and Sun here, after some time there will appear a lack of patience on your side. You will assert yourself at his expense. What signs and houses are his Moon and Venus and your Sin and Mars?

Anyways, if t-squares are bad, then these are some of the better ones.



I really don't view my Sun/Mars square as a bad thing, though. Yes, it can make me a little impatient and gives me a slightly easy to set off temper, but it also makes me very expressive and energetic. It goes well with his Aries Mars.

And yes, it is a new relationship. We have only known each other for 2 months. But on the other side of the same token, we have spent a ridiculous amount of time getting to know each other because we work together and we work long hard hours that are made better by the other's company. We have had a lot of time to learn each other's quirks and personalities. Only for the past few weeks have we been together outside of work and it's just bliss. He took so much time and energy getting to know who I am that when we finally got to just be us, it was like we were old friends.

We don't bicker, even when the stress level is through the roof. That could be because of our Merc/Venus opposition DW, though.

Here is the synastry chart. Yes I know it is fraught with perilous red lines of squares and oppositions, but look closer. His Venus is aspecting 3 of my 4 angle rulers. Our Suns should be quincunx because of our signs, but the aspect is actually a biquintile. Moon sextile Moon, and that beautiful Venus trine Moon And normally I wouldn't consider the Mars/Venus conjunction being as wide as it is, but because it makes a double whammy and they are same house/sign, I at least take notice.

And our composite:
I love the Moon/Jupiter conjunction and the Vertex/POF/DSC ruler conjunction in the 5th. And Venus in the house of hopes and dreams

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posted May 14, 2016 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Im sure it is especially if sun conjunct moon both overlaying in the 8th house is present then attraction and compatiblity is likely. Especially if your the moon and he is the sun it is very complimentary. Well i generally prefer the woman as venus and the man Mars but it can go both ways !! And that's just my opinion i have a friend her Mars strongly ASPECTED by his venus and attraction is off the roof however I think it depends on how the female feels does she like having her venus ASPECTED or her Mars or both? I wanna say both but it depends on the individual. Yes what the man looks for in a woman is his personal planets the moon and venus and the 7th ruler and be sure to look for his Juno the sign and the house it is in and the ruler of his Juno. I also like to consider progressed synastry progressed composite tertiary progressions and transits to track future events that occur between the couple that is JUST as important as natal synastry.



His Juno forms a perfect grand trine with my Mars/MC and is in the same sign as my Asc.

I NEED my Mars aspected, it is such an important part of my chart, I feel, being my MC ruler and the ruler of my Venus.

Also, I prefer the hard aspect from his Venus to my Mars because it means there is an easy aspect between my Moon and his Venus (as you can see in the synastry chart above). I've never experienced Venus trine Moon from their Venus to my Moon. I've been the Venus before and I was absolutely smitten, it's nice to know he feels that way about me and he isn't afraid to show it at all.

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posted May 15, 2016 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gracha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LionFish:
I'm so sorry to hear that

Do you mind if I ask the planets involved?

In our case the t-squares are directly on top of each other.

Same pattern in almost identical houses (we share ASC sign in Leo his is just a later degree)

Did you guys have any Saturn aspects? Or Uranus for the abrupt end?

Merc RX can be the pits

@Randall
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Thanks Lionfish.

Planets involved are his virgo/saturn moon, gemini/mars venus, neptune sag with my gemini moon, 0 degree aries sun, sag neptune..and he's a virgo ascendant. He was going through some things job wise, lost it beginning February but still thats no excuse to disappear. Oh well what can you do really. We have dw uranus/venus aspects but the orbs are soo wide and moon uranus too but wide. Saturn aspects were sextiles and trines. Maybe uranus won after all.

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posted May 15, 2016 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@angel4845

I was the planet person aspecting my boyfriend's T-square and definitely felt attracted to him. You can add that to your research
My Sun was opp his Sun. The attraction was both ways. He didn't complete my T-square though.

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posted May 15, 2016 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LionFish,

Wow, you're such an optimist it's almost like you are focused on all the good things and don't worry about the bad, which there's plenty of. Nice We should all have this attitude!

Had it been my synastry I would seriously be worried.

You like Mercury-Venus double whammy? I've had it one way only, me being Venus and at first it was nice, such a lively chat ALL the time, very good for flirting with each other. In the end I got so tired of it that it was just making me angry all the time: whatever he said I disagreed with (my Moon was also in opposition to his Mercury), I didn't like what he was saying (Venus), basically there was no longer any enjoyment in communication. But yeah, at first it was SO interesting.

Look at the houses you put each other's planets in. 8, 9, 5 for him and 8,9,3, also 4 for you. 8th is karmic, it might not last. 9th especially points to that when viewed in pair with 8th: people come together to grow and learn from each other (9H) in order to resolve karmic debts (8H). 5H - fun, flirting, entertainment, attraction - light stuff. Nothing in 7H, which would be real good for longevity. I like his Sun in your 4H.

Composite. Again. Yes, Jupiter conjunct Moon is real nice. But Mars square Pluto is worrisome. So is the opposition between Venus and Neptune/Uranus. Venus-Mercury is repeating of course.

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posted May 16, 2016 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
LionFish,

Wow, you're such an optimist it's almost like you are focused on all the good things and don't worry about the bad, which there's plenty of. Nice We should all have this attitude!

Had it been my synastry I would seriously be worried.

You like Mercury-Venus double whammy? I've had it one way only, me being Venus and at first it was nice, such a lively chat ALL the time, very good for flirting with each other. In the end I got so tired of it that it was just making me angry all the time: whatever he said I disagreed with (my Moon was also in opposition to his Mercury), I didn't like what he was saying (Venus), basically there was no longer any enjoyment in communication. But yeah, at first it was SO interesting.

Look at the houses you put each other's planets in. 8, 9, 5 for him and 8,9,3, also 4 for you. 8th is karmic, it might not last. 9th especially points to that when viewed in pair with 8th: people come together to grow and learn from each other (9H) in order to resolve karmic debts (8H). 5H - fun, flirting, entertainment, attraction - light stuff. Nothing in 7H, which would be real good for longevity. I like his Sun in your 4H.

Composite. Again. Yes, Jupiter conjunct Moon is real nice. But Mars square Pluto is worrisome. So is the opposition between Venus and Neptune/Uranus. Venus-Mercury is repeating of course.


I am an optimist through and through. I fully believe if you focus on the negative in life that's what the universe will give you.
If I knew nothing of astrology I would never have known there was this slightly terrifying synastry between the two of us. All I would be aware of is this wonderful man who wants to shower me with love and affection in every way possible every day.
He pushes me to be the best me that I can, but is patient and tender when I feel like I've failed.

Not everything is sunshine and roses in life, but if you expect terrible, it's what you're going to get. Even hard or difficult things can, and should, be looked at as an opportunity to grow and learn. That is how I view squares and oppositions.

No synastry is perfect. But the way you choose to deal with the friction and stresses of hard aspects make or break the end result. If there were too many trines someone would say that the relationship is too easy and that it would fail because there was no challenge.

And yes, I love Venus/Merc. The Pluto/Mars square in the composite is worrisome, but again, it's all in how you deal with things. It could mean horrible fights, anger, and jealousy especially with Mars in the 7th. I know that. But I also know how he treats me. How he wants to protect and provide for me. It's a little unreal. And I love it.

And yes, it is definitely Karmic. Not just the 8th house overlays, but his Sun on my SN, his NN square my vertex exact, his MC/IC axis square my ASC/DSC, Union on the IC opposite Moon...the first time we worked together tKarma was opposite tJuno less than 1 degree. Karma everywherrrrrre, but I think that's why it took such a short time for us to be so comfortable with each other. I can literally tell him anything, which my natal Mars/Uranus quincunx Moon tries to avoid at all costs usually. Feelings are random explosives in an abandoned field for me, and he's running through that field purposely setting them all off and cleaning up the aftermath.

Even if it doesn't last forever, the love is strong and exactly what I need.

Everyone is different

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