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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi folks!

So, I was wondering - how do retrograde planets play out in synastry? Does the contact to someone's retrograde planet 'energize' it and draw it out? Make the retro-energy flow outwards instead? Like, in a circuit - if you connect a conductor to a high-resistance wire, will the current take the new path of least resistance?

Or is it felt instead as a burden to the native, such as someone poking a bruise? Making it channel the energy further inwards..?

For instance:
Scenario #1:
Say, if someone has, Saturn retrograde. Now this is activated in synastry by someone's Venus. Does this:
a. Play out like a normal Satun-Venus contact.
b. Exacerbate the negatives of a harsh Saturn-Venus connection, since the native is not used to 'handling' his Saturn.
c. Ameliorate the not-so-nice aspects of a Saturn-Venus contact. Since the native has lived with Saturn energy burrowing into him/her, it makes them more gentle and aware while projecting/directing it onto others.
d. None of the above.

[Also, if (d) - then in what was do you think such a contact would manifest?]

Scenario #2:
If someone's Eros is retrograde - and in synastry, someone else's personal planet happens to activate it. Will they:
a. Feel extremely uncomfortable, since their eroticism is something they haven't/don't like dealing with?
b. Feel extremely turned on, since now there's an outlet for the simmering passions that were, so far, hidden beneath the surface.
c. None of the above.

[Again -- feel free to add your interpretations].

^Apart from the mini-survey above, please feel free to talk about Mars Rx, Venus Rx, Neptune Rx - whatever you wish, while discussing what it means to you in synastry.

>>Final question:
How big a part do you think the type of aspect plays? Do you think the Rx energy is 'easier' to express in certain aspects?
Also -- do the aspects function in a reverse manner too? Such as, an opposition will bring out the Rx planet's energy the way a conjunction would a normal planet's?

Let me know what you guys think...

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Gabby
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posted May 15, 2016 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im not sure how exactly it plays out in the long run because ive never stuck around long enough to find out....because ppl who conjunct my rx planets irritate me. I have Saturn and Mars rx.
I like trines, sextiles even squares and oppositions are ok sometimes. But stay directly off those planets! Conjunctions zap my energy, like someone walked into my life and intentionally blew the fuse to that planet.
I feel suffocated by it, like im having to struggle to regain momentum because they have stolen the only little bit of energy i had coming from that planet.
I know there's a lot of energy coming from my planets but its not directing outward and when someone comes along and their planet starts trying to draw my enery outward and my planet just doesn't do that it feels like they are stealing my energy. I get quite defensive, esp with Mars, but Saturn to because it feels like, "hey why are you stopping my productivity??"

Edit: as i told Faith, i do temporary become more outwardly like the rx planet they conjunct, but i can't maintain that very long. That when my fuse pops and i have to get away from their energy. This is only exact conjunctions that get this bad...if there is some distance(2 degrees or more) its not as bad.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow

I love your thinking.

I have Saturn Rx and it was conjunct my college boyfriend's Venus. It was a complicated relationship, and I don't want to lay all the blame on this conjunction. But I felt extra saturnine within that relationship.

quote:
b. "Exacerbate the negatives of a harsh Saturn-Venus connection, since the native is not used to 'handling' his Saturn."

I'm used to handling my Saturn but it's true I didn't like it being pulled to the fore so much. It's more of a quiet Saturn, in the 12H, perched right on the Cancer-Leo Cusp as if it's still deciding what it wants to do (0° Leo, Rx.)

The larger issue was his Saturn opposing my sun, completing a cardinal grand cross. So he sorta "claimed" me with that and then, I was like, "Okay if we have to be together, it'll be done my way...." and pulled out my own Saturn.

As for scenario #2
I don't know....

I have Mars Rx, I guess that is similar. Not wanting to divulge too much information here (one quality of an Rx Gemini Mars...not wanting to talk about it)...but I'd say it's just a sensitive Mars. More excitable with certain kinds of hits (synastry aspects) and completely unresponsive to other types of hits.

I think I like gentler stuff?

* Someone's moon conjunct my Mars, that was unbelievably hot
* My husband's Venus novile my Mars
* My ex's Mars trine my Mars

Soft planets, soft aspects are better.

Please don't quote, I might deem this TMI later.

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, guys!

quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
Conjunctions zap my energy and make my feel suffocated, like they are trying to steal the only little bit of enery i have coming from that planet.

^ Bingo! That's exactly what I was speculating about conjunctions being not conducive to *good* Rx planet expression. I get what you mean about staying 'directly' off it, makes sense..

@Faith:
Thankee, ma'am.
"as if it's still deciding what it wants to do" -- LOL. That's so cute.

Okay, I see how the 'softer' aspects might be easier on the already-touchy energy of the Rx planet. --- For the most part. Unless there's some magical yin-yang voodoo like that Moon, huh?

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn, I feel kinda left out from Club Rx.

Got no major planets there, just an asteroid (Deja). Blahh.

Side note: I guess it's a really, really good thing that luminaries never go retrograde.

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Gabby
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posted May 15, 2016 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith, i also do feel extra Saturnish or Mar'ish in those relationships, thats another way i felt drained, it was like those planets took over me during the relationship. I had to be the parent in the relationship or i had to be the aggressor, act like the man instead of the woman. It just pulled to much of my insides out and I couldn't be me....it only lasted a brief time until I became so exhausted I had to walk away. It was like they burned me out!

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Faith
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posted May 15, 2016 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:

Okay, I see how the 'softer' aspects might be easier on the already-touchy energy of the Rx planet. --- For the most part. Unless there's some magical yin-yang voodoo like that Moon, huh?

LOL

Well but my Ex Whom I Loved, his SUN was square my Mars so that should have been irritating, if my theory about myself was true.

Thing is, we were good friends for a while before he came out with this idea that we should get romantic. And at first I was thinking, "Are you nuts?"

And when we tried kissing I thought, "This is nuts. I was right."

But after a while we got the hang of it. Maybe my Rx is responsible for the long delay, hesitation.

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha!

Oh yeah, could be...

Besides, that adds a point or two in the balance for 'negative aspects good/better for Rx' theory.

The other part of this is, that the energy of the planet seems to be 'in focus' for both of you. And that can be draining.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
Damn, I feel kinda left out from [b]Club Rx.

Got no major planets there, just an asteroid (Deja). Blahh.

Side note: I guess it's a really, really good thing that luminaries never go retrograde. [/B]


A VERY good thing luminaries dont go RX!! 😊

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Faith
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posted May 15, 2016 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
Faith, i also do feel extra Saturnish or Mar'ish in those relationships, thats another way i felt drained, it was like those planets took over me during the relationship. I had to be the parent in the relationship or i had to be the aggressor, act like the man instead of the woman. It just pulled to much of my insides out and I couldn't be me....it only lasted a brief time until I became so exhausted I had to walk away. It was like they burned me out!

Ugh yes....

I don't want to be "the man" in the relationship....but I need a man who understands femininity so he is able to protect that...and that's rare I think...to find a guy who just lets you be and doesn't shape, control, over-dominate...the list goes on...

Maybe with Mars Rx we especially need someone to honor our Zen and lay off.

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since both of your Mars(es?) are Rx --

How comfortable are you *expressing* anger, or other Martian qualities in relationships that aspect your Mars vs that don't aspect it at all?

i.e. Do you think no aspects are better in this case? 'Coz generally, in synastry - I'd suppose even a 'bad' aspect can be a catalyst for something.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Ugh yes....

I don't want to be "the man" in the relationship....but I need a man who understands femininity so he is able to protect that...and that's rare I think...to find a guy who just lets you be and doesn't shape, control, over-dominate...the list goes on...

Maybe with Mars Rx we especially need someone to honor our Zen and lay off.


I could definitely see that, i wonder if Mars rx has a tendency to be more Zen than other Mars...since we internalize this Mars energy it would destroy is if we didn't find a way to be balanced. If it was externalized it wouldn't be so critical to have the balance because the energy play is not all happening inside you.
If the ppl around us can't understand that we need this balance for our health and help us or at least allow us to keep our Zen, then they are being destructive to our emotional stability.
Id never thought about that, thanks for bringing it up.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edited this like ten times

I don't know what to say.

quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
Since both of your Mars(es?) are Rx --

How comfortable are you *expressing* anger, or other Martian qualities in relationships that aspect your Mars vs that don't aspect it at all?

i.e. Do you think no aspects are better in this case? 'Coz generally, in synastry - I'd suppose even a 'bad' aspect can be a catalyst for something.


edit - The more I think about it, the harder it would be to describe, but I don't want to write an essay.

ETA: Thing is, my Mars is out of bounds and aspects most of my chart.

Everything in middle decans activates most of my chart at once so I am used to integrating Mars.

I think I used to be a different person back when I was dating.

I am different now so I don't know how it would be, if I was dating again.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I could definitely see that, i wonder if Mars rx has a tendency to be more Zen than other Mars...since we internalize this Mars energy it would destroy is if we didn't find a way to be balanced. If it was externalized it wouldn't be so critical to have the balance because the energy play is not all happening inside you.
If the ppl around us can't understand that we need this balance for our health and help us or at least allow us to keep our Zen, then they are being destructive to our emotional stability.
Id never thought about that, thanks for bringing it up.

Brilliant...I totally agree and appreciate your clarity.

Good luck to us...we need it!

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posted May 15, 2016 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
Since both of your Mars(es?) are Rx --

How comfortable are you *expressing* anger, or other Martian qualities in relationships that aspect your Mars vs that don't aspect it at all?

i.e. Do you think no aspects are better in this case? 'Coz generally, in synastry - I'd suppose even a 'bad' aspect can be a catalyst for something.


Sexually, I love squares to my Mars....i don't really think i feel any other aspects in synastry to my Mars. Ppl have trined n sextiled my Mars w/their Venus/Mars/Sun and i never felt much for them.
I dont have a bad temper, it takes alot to get me upset. When I finally get mad its an explosion of words for an hour then I forgot what i was mad about(Gemini mars).
I hate getting upset, im just now starting to feel its ok...im allowed to sometimes!

Im not shy sexually at all when in love. I love guys about 5-6 years older than me because they have Pluto in the last degree of virgo, which squares my Mars!!
In my chart Mars only has one aspect an out of sign, 5 degree separating trine to Uranus.

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posted May 15, 2016 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Wow, that's interesting!

So, squares do it for you, huh? Maybe it doesn't feel like as much of a 'drain' or 'work' because, in this aspect, the burden is not on *all* on you (? just freewheeling here).

P.S. You both have Rx Gemini mars!

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posted May 15, 2016 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We were born like 6 weeks apart.

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posted May 15, 2016 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
^ Wow, that's interesting!

So, squares do it for you, huh? Maybe it doesn't feel like as much of a 'drain' or 'work' because, in this aspect, the burden is not on *all* on you (? just freewheeling here).

P.S. You both have Rx Gemini mars!


I think the square is better because its kind of an erratic energy that just hangs there...irritating. Because its not a flowing aspect, its not forcing my energy to change direction, away from me into them, that's what's so draining.
Instead our energies are just sitting there poking each other like kids in the back of car with no air conditioning on a hot day traveling across country. They are just irritating me, but its ok...because it can end up being fun competetive battles with Gem Mars! Lol....when its with a romantic partner and there's way to work out frustration.
If we're fighting and hes just being stupid stubborn and all serious and were getting nowhere....ill start getting mad but end up deciding to play aggressively, n ill tackle him and try to wrestle him to the ground and i actually want to win but of course i never do(im 5'2/105) but that always cracks him up! We both end up laughing.

With Saturn, not so much, Saturn takes things to seriously to like squares....if i had a different Mars, like Aries, Scorp or Cancer i doubt the square would be accepted as a fun game to play.

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posted May 15, 2016 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Brilliant...I totally agree and appreciate your clarity.

Good luck to us...we need it!


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Elysia
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posted May 19, 2016 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I think the square is better because its kind of an erratic energy that just hangs there...irritating. Because its not a flowing aspect, its not forcing my energy to change direction, away from me into them, that's what's so draining.
Instead our energies are just sitting there poking each other like kids in the back of car with no air conditioning on a hot day traveling across country. They are just irritating me, but its ok...because it can end up being fun competetive battles with Gem Mars! Lol....when its with a romantic partner and there's way to work out frustration.
If we're fighting and hes just being stupid stubborn and all serious and were getting nowhere....ill start getting mad but end up deciding to play aggressively, n ill tackle him and try to wrestle him to the ground and i actually want to win but of course i never do(im 5'2/105) but that always cracks him up! We both end up laughing.

With Saturn, not so much, Saturn takes things to seriously to like squares....if i had a different Mars, like Aries, Scorp or Cancer i doubt the square would be accepted as a fun game to play.


That is so cute.

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posted October 06, 2016 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tenderhex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump!

Recently had a falling out with a friend with a personal planet/saturn conjunction. Funny because me and my boyfriend also have it. Her Saturn (retrograde) conjuncts my sun. We broke up because she wants me to apologize for what I was "thinking" and she was wrong, so I can't apologize for that. I have spent a lot of money and time and energy on her, and throughout our friendship it never seemed like enough. Wonder why it doesn't play out the exact same with my bf. Ultimately, I do think people have a choice in how they want to handle certain energies.

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